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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 29, 2019 12:46:47 GMT -5
I think jobbing Becky to Asuka was a big mistake though. I knew Becky had to somehow not win the title there but why not just do the count out after that insane suplex or just anything else? She had to tap clean? No offense to Asuka but she really doesn't mean as much right now. Doing some schmozz finish there at least leaves Becky with some logical reason to take that spot in the Rumble. As it happened she just lost. If she tapped to Asuka, why should anyone believe the Rousey match would go different? Na, Becky was leaving and on her way out she needed to cement Asuka as the woman of SD. It was a decisive win with a clear victor which we honestly need more of Becky is Teflon right now and can handle an L
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Post by BatPunk on Jan 29, 2019 13:05:18 GMT -5
I think jobbing Becky to Asuka was a big mistake though. I knew Becky had to somehow not win the title there but why not just do the count out after that insane suplex or just anything else? She had to tap clean? No offense to Asuka but she really doesn't mean as much right now. Doing some schmozz finish there at least leaves Becky with some logical reason to take that spot in the Rumble. As it happened she just lost. If she tapped to Asuka, why should anyone believe the Rousey match would go different? Because it’s the old school way of doing the job on the way out and establish the champ as a badass. Think of Smackdown and Raw as territories.
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Post by tenshi on Jan 29, 2019 13:20:06 GMT -5
There's a problem with this approach: If Ronda wasn't a good talker in UFC, making her fame off defeating the opposition quickly and looking good at it, and she's known to be bad at acting, why the hell do you want her to engage in an argument with the best talker in the division? Ronda can say whatever she wants and not only will people boo her regardless, she's going to look foolish as well. If anything, they can build tension by having Ronda retaliate physically because, if you want her to cut promos and be taken seriously, you lost the fight before it began.
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Post by Cela on Jan 29, 2019 13:41:42 GMT -5
Hogan vs. Rock didn't need HHH. Now, it would probably have been a great match, and Rock and HHH had unresolved issues. But on the biggest stage of them all, the focused fight between the main two players was a lot better of an option than adding yet another big name. Especially since Ronda is already fulfilling the role Charlotte would play. The Establishment vs. The People's Champ works a lot better than The Establishment vs. The Establishment vs. The Poeple's Champ. Did you seriously just compare this to Rock-Hogan??? Yes. You have one of the most popular female athletes of all time and someone who is the most over someone has been in WWE for years, probably in the first ever main event of wrestlemania featuring women. It's not equal, but it's comparable, and it's a hell of a lot more noteworthy that Roman vs. Brock 7.
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Post by karl100589 on Jan 29, 2019 13:54:58 GMT -5
I finally caught the segment on Youtube and there's a point at a little after 3:25 where she stands on her toes to get in Becky's face and push in closer because Becky isn't scared enough by her, and it reads as so adorably ineffectual. Charlotte is needed for this feud just so there's someone who can sound confident cutting a promo because Ronda spiked up like someone who's decided they're not being taken seriously enough so they get up in everyone's face so they just have to notice them, and still don't have the presence to scare anyone.
I think that works though. Ronda makes her name destroying people and building such an aura that people are beaten before a match even starts. She then meets someone who isn't swayed and struggles to handle it. The promos become more intense, the anger builds, and it eventually boils over.
Dare I say it reminds me of the real-life Holly build.
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Post by Fade on Jan 29, 2019 15:17:46 GMT -5
I finally caught this and it’s awesome. Imagine if WWE didn’t have this right now. Woof. Anyway, I’m pumped for the build towards WM.
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Post by feartear on Jan 29, 2019 15:33:24 GMT -5
I think jobbing Becky to Asuka was a big mistake though. I knew Becky had to somehow not win the title there but why not just do the count out after that insane suplex or just anything else? She had to tap clean? No offense to Asuka but she really doesn't mean as much right now. Doing some schmozz finish there at least leaves Becky with some logical reason to take that spot in the Rumble. As it happened she just lost. If she tapped to Asuka, why should anyone believe the Rousey match would go different? In the Rumble 2014 Daniel Bryan lost clean as a whistle to Bray Wyatt but that didn't stop his credibility (in the eyes of the fans at least). A clean loss once in a while doesn't make a wrestler weak, but rather human and relatable.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 29, 2019 15:34:27 GMT -5
I finally caught the segment on Youtube and there's a point at a little after 3:25 where she stands on her toes to get in Becky's face and push in closer because Becky isn't scared enough by her, and it reads as so adorably ineffectual. Charlotte is needed for this feud just so there's someone who can sound confident cutting a promo because Ronda spiked up like someone who's decided they're not being taken seriously enough so they get up in everyone's face so they just have to notice them, and still don't have the presence to scare anyone. I think that works though. Ronda makes her name destroying people and building such an aura that people are beaten before a match even starts. She then meets someone who isn't swayed and struggles to handle it. The promos become more intense, the anger builds, and it eventually boils over.
Dare I say it reminds me of the real-life Holly build.
a big difference in attitude is,everyone that faced Rhonds is among the lines of:"You may be the baddest and stronger,but I'm a great wrestler and will beat you against the odds" Becky is more "You are not the baddest ,that belongs to me and if you doubt it I will slap your mouth off your face"
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 29, 2019 17:14:30 GMT -5
Why does she have to be long-winded babyface? Just make her an ass kicker who says very little. She’s getting Cena/Reigns’d And the company is the one who does this. ...actually, yes. Becky is willing to fight, but she's also a shit-talker. Just have Becky do promos while Ronda says nothing at all while snapping jobber arms all over the place. Men, women, other wrestlers, catering staff. And she could even not give a shit about getting her hands on Becky before Mania, she's convinced she knows how it'll go and is just waiting until the time comes. Patience, unlike Becky, whose gimmick involves being hotheaded and going after shit she wants NOW.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 17:47:14 GMT -5
For one, a clean win over Becky is how you re-establish Asuka. Becky's steamrolled the whole of Smackdown's women for the past few months, she needed to take a decisive loss here to put Asuka over before she and possibly also Charlotte move to Raw. Especially since Asuka didn't exactly get a clean win for the title to begin with. But more than that, the story of the match was how Asuka isn't intimidated by Becky's games or trash talk, and can be just as bad a bitch too. They went back and forth in the end in a way that made them look like they were on the same level but Asuka just got the upper hand and won. There's also an easy way out; Becky knew from the moment she noticed Lana limping that there was a possible opening and didn't want to risk a broken arm if she was going to go after Ronda, which was a much bigger goal she never got to fulfill, while Asuka didn't mean nearly as much to her. As for why anyone should believe the Ronda match would go differently, the Raw audience seemed sure as hell intent on buying that Becky could beat Ronda despite her losing one (1) match by submission since this new character. The problem here is that if reports are true and they're gonna shoehorn Charlotte in, where does that leave Asuka? Getting a huge win against Becky won't mean much if in 2 months time she's wrestling on the Pre-show. I've kind of been getting the sense they're going to have her be in a big multi-woman match where she basically crushes the whole division. They've really been pushing the, "All the women on SmackDown are tired of Charlotte and Becky hogging the belt," thing on the backburner for awhile.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 29, 2019 18:07:18 GMT -5
I think jobbing Becky to Asuka was a big mistake though. I knew Becky had to somehow not win the title there but why not just do the count out after that insane suplex or just anything else? She had to tap clean? No offense to Asuka but she really doesn't mean as much right now. Doing some schmozz finish there at least leaves Becky with some logical reason to take that spot in the Rumble. As it happened she just lost. If she tapped to Asuka, why should anyone believe the Rousey match would go different? Na, Becky was leaving and on her way out she needed to cement Asuka as the woman of SD. It was a decisive win with a clear victor which we honestly need more of Becky is Teflon right now and can handle an L I agree. On top of that, I think WWE may finally be de-stigmatizing the act of tapping out. Bryan as a face tapped to Styles. Becky tapped to Asuka, who herself tapped to Charlotte, and Finn tapped to Brock rather than getting decisively F5'd to death.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 29, 2019 18:31:16 GMT -5
"You say your name is Ronda and you love to fight..."
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Post by Perfect Timing on Jan 30, 2019 0:04:55 GMT -5
Ronda laughing was really awkward. It was like something you see in blooper outtakes where they at least get to redo their line eventually but she was out there live.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 30, 2019 0:09:33 GMT -5
I finally caught the segment on Youtube and there's a point at a little after 3:25 where she stands on her toes to get in Becky's face and push in closer because Becky isn't scared enough by her, and it reads as so adorably ineffectual. Charlotte is needed for this feud just so there's someone who can sound confident cutting a promo because Ronda spiked up like someone who's decided they're not being taken seriously enough so they get up in everyone's face so they just have to notice them, and still don't have the presence to scare anyone. I think that works though. Ronda makes her name destroying people and building such an aura that people are beaten before a match even starts. She then meets someone who isn't swayed and struggles to handle it. The promos become more intense, the anger builds, and it eventually boils over.
Dare I say it reminds me of the real-life Holly build.
If that's the intention then it's a noble one, but that's where the back half of what I'm saying comes in. Ronda doesn't really pull it off all that well; probably because she was already kinda shook going into the segment, but it came off more like "PAY ATTENTION TO ME" than "I command an intense presence and you are going to listen". She was already up in Becky's face, she just got even more up in it because she wasn't getting anything. It didn't feel quite right.
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Post by benstudd on Jan 30, 2019 1:16:04 GMT -5
I don't think she was shook. She was giggling and stuttered once. It's not like she started crying and ran to the back. Then when Becky came out, she was able to cut a decent promo back considering the situation. With that said, expecting the fans to cheer Ronda over Becky is like expecting them to cheer Bret Hart over Stone Cold, it's just not going to happen. Turn Ronda heel, bring in Shayna, Marina and Jessamyn and have them be the female Horsemen/nWo/Hart Foundation. Umm face Bret and face Stone Cold? I would take that bet. Imagine a returning Bret from WCW, cheered and booked as a hero and then he has a confrontation with Austin. I don't know which side the fans would take. But in this case, if the WWE wanted Ronda to be face, you cannot send her against Becky. Always gonna be eaten alive.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 1:21:02 GMT -5
I don't think she was shook. She was giggling and stuttered once. It's not like she started crying and ran to the back. Then when Becky came out, she was able to cut a decent promo back considering the situation. With that said, expecting the fans to cheer Ronda over Becky is like expecting them to cheer Bret Hart over Stone Cold, it's just not going to happen. Turn Ronda heel, bring in Shayna, Marina and Jessamyn and have them be the female Horsemen/nWo/Hart Foundation. Umm face Bret and face Stone Cold? I would take that bet. Imagine a returning Bret from WCW, cheered and booked as a hero and then he has a confrontation with Austin. I don't know which side the fans would take. But in this case, if the WWE wanted Ronda to be face, you cannot send her against Becky. Always gonna be eaten alive. I was talking about 1996/97 face Bret Hart vs heel Stone Cold. Austins character was so on fire, there's nothing Hart could do to stay face. The most logical thing was to turn him heel. The same goes for Rousey, the fans want to boo her, she would make a great heel. It's the most logical thing right now.
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Post by benstudd on Jan 30, 2019 1:55:09 GMT -5
Umm face Bret and face Stone Cold? I would take that bet. Imagine a returning Bret from WCW, cheered and booked as a hero and then he has a confrontation with Austin. I don't know which side the fans would take. But in this case, if the WWE wanted Ronda to be face, you cannot send her against Becky. Always gonna be eaten alive. I was talking about 1996/97 face Bret Hart vs heel Stone Cold. Austins character was so on fire, there's nothing Hart could do to stay face. The most logical thing was to turn him heel. The same goes for Rousey, the fans want to boo her, she would make a great heel. It's the most logical thing right now. That is true. And going against it won't work. I feel like there is resistance from them cause they maybe want to position Ronda as a female Lesnar where it doesn't matter if she's heel or face, as long as she's badass and dangerous. Biggest difference with Bret/Austin was that this Bret/Austin thing was carefully masterminded by the company.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 30, 2019 1:59:10 GMT -5
Heel Ronda would be amazing. If she can handle the boos and doesn't get all psyched out over it then she could come off like a mean ass dangerous threat. Shamrock snapping style except higher in the pecking order than he was.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 2:14:44 GMT -5
Heel Ronda would be amazing. If she can handle the boos and doesn't get all psyched out over it then she could come off like a mean ass dangerous threat. Shamrock snapping style except higher in the pecking order than he was. Heel Ronda & Shayna vs. Becky & Charlotte for the Women's Tag Titles would be unbelievable.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 30, 2019 2:17:05 GMT -5
^Shayna is amazing. She has so much more fire in her presentation than Ronda does. Ronda needs to tap into that.
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