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Post by Pooh Carlson on Oct 18, 2021 19:10:45 GMT -5
Not interested, honestly. I just want a new live action Batman movie that whole heartedly embraces camp and fun. I was thinking about this earlier, I think Gotham got the camp to gritty levels correctly.
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 18, 2021 19:13:22 GMT -5
Campy Batman is in an uphill climb as far as big budget theatrical release. Batman and Robin's reputation is still pretty infamous, and given the consistent success of darker films involving the character, we're a long way away from getting that.
Doubly so given WB's struggles to even get a good string of box office hits with the DC Cinematic Universe.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 18, 2021 19:17:08 GMT -5
Campy Batman is in an uphill climb as far as big budget theatrical release. Batman and Robin's reputation is still pretty infamous, and given the consistent success of darker films involving the character, we're a long way away from getting that. Doubly so given WB's struggles to even get a good string of box office hits with the DC Cinematic Universe. For that matter Lego Batman underperformed. That's probably more because no one had any interest in more than the one Lego movie, but I could still see it casting a shadow over trying to do anything lighter with the property on a big scale for the foreseeable future.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 18, 2021 19:19:52 GMT -5
While I am down for a campy movie, honestly, I am cool with this.
I've seen people compare this to the Nolan films, and honestly, the vibe already looks quite different, and obviously this is different from like, Snyderverse Batman. If it's not someone's taste, that's fine, but to decry it as same-old does feel rather off.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 18, 2021 19:23:28 GMT -5
While I am down for a campy movie, honestly, I am cool with this. I've seen people compare this to the Nolan films, and honestly, the vibe already looks quite different, and obviously this is different from like, Snyderverse Batman. If it's not someone's taste, that's fine, but to decry it as same-old does feel rather off. I think they smartly use the cartoons for the campy Batman material Campy Batman on the big screen especially in live action is a tough sell
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 18, 2021 19:28:07 GMT -5
Campy Batman is in an uphill climb as far as big budget theatrical release. Batman and Robin's reputation is still pretty infamous, and given the consistent success of darker films involving the character, we're a long way away from getting that. Doubly so given WB's struggles to even get a good string of box office hits with the DC Cinematic Universe. For that matter Lego Batman underperformed. That's probably more because no one had any interest in more than the one Lego movie, but I could still see it casting a shadow over trying to do anything lighter with the property on a big scale for the foreseeable future. Between Brave and the Bold, Gotham, and Harley Quinn, there clearly is an audience for a campier and/or comedic Batamn adjacent series, but it is hard to get away from the sense that light hearted stories on the big screen isn't something mass audiences are always willing to shell out money for. It's a bit like Star Trek; a television audience will almost always find it, but movie audiences have much different expectations, and woe be to the film that doesn't meet them.
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Post by Fade on Oct 18, 2021 19:37:24 GMT -5
Campy Batman is in an uphill climb as far as big budget theatrical release. Batman and Robin's reputation is still pretty infamous, and given the consistent success of darker films involving the character, we're a long way away from getting that. Doubly so given WB's struggles to even get a good string of box office hits with the DC Cinematic Universe. Pretty much, yeah..it is kind of crazy (but completely understandable after Nolan/Snyder) that some now would welcome a “campier”approach. “Campy” might not even be the right word but rather just not-as-grim? I try to imagine what an MCU version of “Batman” would be. Something ‘round there.
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 18, 2021 19:49:37 GMT -5
Campy Batman is in an uphill climb as far as big budget theatrical release. Batman and Robin's reputation is still pretty infamous, and given the consistent success of darker films involving the character, we're a long way away from getting that. Doubly so given WB's struggles to even get a good string of box office hits with the DC Cinematic Universe. Pretty much, yeah..it is kind of crazy (but completely understandable after Nolan/Snyder) that some now would welcome a “campier”approach. “Campy” might not even be the right word but rather just not-as-grim? I try to imagine what an MCU version of “Batman” would be. Something ‘round there. I think there's probably away to make a lighter version of Batman without necessarily making it too Marvel like. Something akin to the more amusing episodes of B:TaS or the 70s O'Neil/Adams run could probably be distinctly Batman while avoiding the grimdark.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 18, 2021 20:21:53 GMT -5
I mean just using the Batfamily and having Batman be more of a grumpy dad would instantly lighten the mood more.
You don't have to go into 60's/silver age goofiness but just stop having Bruce be the solo man that refuses to deal with his mental issues has been done to death since the 1980s movie.
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 18, 2021 20:25:50 GMT -5
I mean just using the Batfamily and having Batman be more of a grumpy dad would instantly lighten the mood more. You don't have to go into 60's/silver age goofiness but just stop having Bruce be the solo man that refuses to deal with his mental issues has been done to death since the 1980s movie. Given that Matt Reeves managed to take the Apes trilogy into some interesting directions, that would be a pretty positive subversion of expectations for sequels; start with an angry and dark Batman for a grittier film and then gradually get things lighter as his mental health improves the same time Gotham does.
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Post by dav on Oct 18, 2021 21:07:59 GMT -5
I mean just using the Batfamily and having Batman be more of a grumpy dad would instantly lighten the mood more. You don't have to go into 60's/silver age goofiness but just stop having Bruce be the solo man that refuses to deal with his mental issues has been done to death since the 1980s movie. Somewhat more serious take on this scenario, perhaps? www.webtoons.com/en/slice-of-life/batman-wayne-family-adventures/list?title_no=3180
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Oct 18, 2021 21:21:52 GMT -5
Wow, all of us wanting campy Batman back.
I have a new goal if I ever invent a time machine. To send you back to 1997 with this info and see how people react.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 18, 2021 21:37:11 GMT -5
Wow, all of us wanting campy Batman back. I have a new goal if I ever invent a time machine. To send you back to 1997 with this info and see how people react. of the original 4 movies I'd probably Rank Batman Forever as pretty close to Batman 89 as my favorite... grimdark Batman has never been my bag. I wouldn't even say that specifically the cmap was the issue with Batman and Robin. the problem with Batman and Robin was more it didn't know what the f*** it wanted to be, as I've said multiple times a lot of the films issues can be succintly stylized by pointing out that Mr. Freeze is literally three different character personalities at once, and the whole movie is that. Mr. Freeze is the cold and uncaring sympathetic scientist from The Animated Series. the campy wacky guy that lives in a fish sticks factory and sings Snow Miser with his ice hockey skating goons a literal cold blooded murderer. You can't be unfeeling and a campy 60's show throwback... those two things blatantly clash. You can't really be a sympathetic character we're supposed to feel sorry for when he is straight up murdering people on camera... and you can't take him seriously as a menacing figure if he's spouting zany one liners...
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Oct 18, 2021 21:40:17 GMT -5
I don't even want Batman. I want Nightwing.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 18, 2021 21:40:55 GMT -5
Dark and gritty are what the masses really like with Batman and that's why those movies keep getting made. A silver age-esque campy movie isn't going to really appeal to anyone but a niche audience.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 18, 2021 21:43:46 GMT -5
I don't even want Batman. I want Nightwing. Wasn't there a rumored Nightwing movie?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 18, 2021 21:44:38 GMT -5
I'm perfectly fine with continuing to make dark Batman movies, I just want them to be less OMGREALISM. This one does seem to be moving away from that a little bit but BtAS might be the most consistently praised adaptation of the character and as often dark and moody as that was it didn't have any issue with having an episode full of evil robot duplicates or one with an invisible guy or one with a guy who can kick Batman's ass because he's really good at keeping track of time.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 18, 2021 21:45:32 GMT -5
Dark and gritty are what the masses really like with Batman and that's why those movies keep getting made. A silver age-esque campy movie isn't going to really appeal to anyone but a niche audience. Most people aren't calling for a Silver Age romp though...
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 18, 2021 21:47:18 GMT -5
I'm perfectly fine with continuing to make dark Batman movies, I just want them to be less OMGREALISM. This one does seem to be moving away from that a little bit but BtAS might be the most consistently praised adaptation of the character and as often dark and moody as that was it didn't have any issue with having an episode full of evil robot duplicates or one with an invisible guy or one with a guy who can kick Batman's ass because he's really good at keeping track of time. One of the more popular episodes was centered around a guy that called Joker an asshole in traffic... and another Joker tries to copyright fish >_>
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Oct 18, 2021 21:49:45 GMT -5
I don't even want Batman. I want Nightwing. Wasn't there a rumored Nightwing movie? Yeah but it's been silent so long I assume it went the way of the Gambit movie.
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