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Post by Starshine on Mar 24, 2022 20:08:16 GMT -5
but I was told by completely impartial people that it was a box office bomb! How can you compare to something that has eleventy billion streams (unverified) in China?! Right, if you count all the potential money not made through all those views, that movie made all the money. Yes, that's right, all of it. Take a look in your wallet, that's money Zack Snyder theoretically earned.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 24, 2022 20:18:31 GMT -5
I’ll preface this by saying I haven’t actually seen the movie yet, but I didn’t really care for that scene. Felt too derivative of Ledger,if you’re gonna loop back to Joker again try a different direction with him. Leto Joker sucked but at least they tried to do a different take on him.
Also, wasn’t the whole “Joker as Hannibal Lecter” thing the tentative plan for Dark Knight 3 had Ledger not passed?
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Post by Fade on Mar 24, 2022 20:21:12 GMT -5
I’ll preface this by saying I haven’t actually seen the movie yet, but I didn’t really care for that scene. Felt too derivative of Ledger,if you’re gonna loop back to Joker again try a different direction with him. Leto Joker sucked but at least they tried to do a different take on him. Also, wasn’t the whole “Joker as Hannibal Lecter” thing the tentative plan for Dark Knight 3 had Ledger not passed? I recall hearing that or the judge in Gotham Scarecrow ended up playing. I agree though, what I didn’t like was how it even comes close to shades of Heaths. Every interpretation should be it’s own unique thing.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 24, 2022 20:21:52 GMT -5
How can you compare to something that has eleventy billion streams (unverified) in China?! Right, if you count all the potential money not made through all those views, that movie made all the money. Yes, that's right, all of it. Take a look in your wallet, that's money Zack Snyder theoretically earned. Except in the wonderful fantasy world of ZSAnon, the streaming company earned revenue from every steam, hence why every trailer view and automated preview counts as a stream. Where this revenue comes from I am yet to hear.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 24, 2022 20:25:03 GMT -5
I’ll preface this by saying I haven’t actually seen the movie yet, but I didn’t really care for that scene. Felt too derivative of Ledger,if you’re gonna loop back to Joker again try a different direction with him. Leto Joker sucked but at least they tried to do a different take on him. Also, wasn’t the whole “Joker as Hannibal Lecter” thing the tentative plan for Dark Knight 3 had Ledger not passed? I recall hearing that or the judge in Gotham Scarecrow ended up playing. I agree though, what I didn’t like was how it even comes close to shades of Heaths. Every interpretation should be it’s own unique thing. It was intended to be the Hannibal Lecter thing, with a single reference to it left in the Dark Knight Rises novelisation – when Bane frees all the city's criminals Joker is left in his cell to rot, as nobody trusts him.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 24, 2022 20:31:48 GMT -5
I’ll preface this by saying I haven’t actually seen the movie yet, but I didn’t really care for that scene. Felt too derivative of Ledger,if you’re gonna loop back to Joker again try a different direction with him. Leto Joker sucked but at least they tried to do a different take on him. Also, wasn’t the whole “Joker as Hannibal Lecter” thing the tentative plan for Dark Knight 3 had Ledger not passed? I recall hearing that or the judge in Gotham Scarecrow ended up playing. I agree though, what I didn’t like was how it even comes close to shades of Heaths. Every interpretation should be it’s own unique thing. The Judge role, which I seem to remember hearing that rumour as well, doesn’t really make much sense. It makes sense for Crane to be in that role, if Joker was freed from Arkham after 7 years I feel his goals would be higher. An escaped Joker of the Dark Knight world seems more likely to fight against Bane and the League just for shits and giggles and to mentally f*** with Batman then to hide in the background like Crane. That being said, I liked the concept of the deleted scene, it just has this vibe of “don’t do a Heath Ledger impression, but make sure you capture what Heath did well”
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 24, 2022 20:58:57 GMT -5
I recall hearing that or the judge in Gotham Scarecrow ended up playing. I agree though, what I didn’t like was how it even comes close to shades of Heaths. Every interpretation should be it’s own unique thing. The Judge role, which I seem to remember hearing that rumour as well, doesn’t really make much sense. It makes sense for Crane to be in that role, if Joker was freed from Arkham after 7 years I feel his goals would be higher. An escaped Joker of the Dark Knight world seems more likely to fight against Bane and the League just for shits and giggles and to mentally f*** with Batman then to hide in the background like Crane. That being said, I liked the concept of the deleted scene, it just has this vibe of “don’t do a Heath Ledger impression, but make sure you capture what Heath did well” Joker was in no draft for Dark Knight Rises, as it was written after Ledger passed. Nolan merged his ideas for the second and third movie into The Dark Knight, since he didn't want to make a third movie... (until they gave him f*** you money) So he scrambled too quickly write up Rises, which is one of the reasons it had as many problems as it did.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 24, 2022 21:10:44 GMT -5
The Judge role, which I seem to remember hearing that rumour as well, doesn’t really make much sense. It makes sense for Crane to be in that role, if Joker was freed from Arkham after 7 years I feel his goals would be higher. An escaped Joker of the Dark Knight world seems more likely to fight against Bane and the League just for shits and giggles and to mentally f*** with Batman then to hide in the background like Crane. That being said, I liked the concept of the deleted scene, it just has this vibe of “don’t do a Heath Ledger impression, but make sure you capture what Heath did well” Joker was in no draft for Dark Knight Rises, as it was written after Ledger passed. Nolan merged his ideas for the second and third movie into The Dark Knight, since he didn't want to make a third movie... (until they gave him f*** you money) So he scrambled too quickly write up Rises, which is one of the reasons it had as many problems as it did. Oh, I knew there was no actual script or anything prior to Ledger’s death. I actually kept calling it DK3 because had Ledger lived it likely would’ve been a significantly different movie then what Rises ended up being. I just remember all sorts of rumors that they had tentative ideas (or full blown plans depending on the source) to utilize Joker in a Hannibal Lecter role in a third movie. I also remember rumours ranging from glorified cameo to major supporting role. As I type this, I realize I heard so much random shit back then that it might have been nothing. Moral of the story is the deleted The Batman scene immediately made me thought of that rumour
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Mar 25, 2022 0:54:24 GMT -5
If that's how this universe's Joker is going to be portrayed, leave him in a cell for periodic cameos but don't give him an entire movie as the big bad.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Mar 25, 2022 3:58:10 GMT -5
If that's how this universe's Joker is going to be portrayed, leave him in a cell for periodic cameos but don't give him an entire movie as the big bad. I like that idea, as Batman incarcerates each subsequent movie villain, you have another scene of Joker meeting them. And his influence over them slowly growing. This can lead to a final movie with Batman versus the Joker and his assembled rogues gallery.
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Post by thechase on Mar 25, 2022 7:59:08 GMT -5
I've seen fanfilms with better acting than that
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Post by salz4life on Mar 25, 2022 11:22:04 GMT -5
If that's how this universe's Joker is going to be portrayed, leave him in a cell for periodic cameos but don't give him an entire movie as the big bad. Like the mob boss still doing business while serving time. I think that's a good way to use the Joker after all the other things we've seen.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Mar 26, 2022 22:30:59 GMT -5
The "Joker again?" talk reminds me...
Beware the Batman was underrated. Used mostly lesser known villains and was one (only?) Batman series to not use the Joker Crutch.
/Shiny, shiny!
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Mar 27, 2022 1:19:55 GMT -5
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Mar 27, 2022 2:52:44 GMT -5
Bring in Harley Quinn but do something different. Make her transgender why not?
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Mar 27, 2022 7:50:38 GMT -5
The "Joker again?" talk reminds me... Beware the Batman was underrated. Used mostly lesser known villains and was one (only?) Batman series to not use the Joker Crutch. /Shiny, shiny! I would love for it to return if only to get resolution on the whole "Sapphire Stagg as a villain" storyline. That was probably one of the best subversions of source material expectations I've seen in a long time.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 27, 2022 20:32:57 GMT -5
The Batman has taken more in 24 days than BVS took in 282 while also being 30 minutes longer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 1:33:39 GMT -5
Saw this on Thursday. This thread is full of me talking about why it took so long for me to get to it. I'm tired of realistic takes on fundamentally unrealistic characters. The movie looked like it wouldn't have any fun in it whatsoever.
Yeah, glad to say I was wrong. This movie was GREAT.
To me, part of my issue was if you're trying to do realistic early career Batman...well Batman Begins already exists and you aren't beating Nolan. Well I was wrong. Maybe it's recency bias but this absolutely trounced Batman Begins for me. I could gush about how I loved Batman interacting with the police, or how he actually seemed scary for once in a way I could see Gothams criminals being afraid of or whatever. Absolutely awesome. Plus in the end the bad guys plan ended up being pure comic book silliness anyway and it gave us an appropriately comic book climax.
Oh and by the way it was nice to see so many end scenes of Batman actually SAVING people instead of just beating up bad guys. Loved the contrast between the old Asian dude scared to death of him at the beginning versus how people react to him in the end.
Plus Paul Dano rules.
So glad I gave this a chance. Huge surprise for me.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Mar 28, 2022 3:22:01 GMT -5
Saw it yesterday and enjoyed it. I expected something more depressing than I actually got. Like, it's obviously no laugh riot, but I smiled at the "thumb drive" and the "you are el/URL" moments. And I did really enjoy Batman's journal entry at the end about being a symbol of hope.
Also I liked how they had Thomas Wayne's backstory including a reporter named Elliott being "hushed". Cool nod to the comics.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Mar 28, 2022 10:41:25 GMT -5
Saw it yesterday and enjoyed it. I expected something more depressing than I actually got. Like, it's obviously no laugh riot, but I smiled at the "thumb drive" and the "you are el/URL" moments. And I did really enjoy Batman's journal entry at the end about being a symbol of hope. Also I liked how they had Thomas Wayne's backstory including a reporter named Elliott being "hushed". Cool nod to the comics. And notice the reporter was Edward, not Thomas. Meaning there could be a son out there looking for revenge.
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