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Post by TGM on Feb 1, 2019 7:38:19 GMT -5
Would titles seem a bigger deal if the amount of times a champion had defended it be brought up? Imagine:
"and his opponent... making his 19th title defense, the Bruiserweight, Pete Dunne!"
I can't really see it happening as WWE is more interested in the number of individual reigns or days as champion, but I think it would be a nice touch.
Thoughts?
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Feb 1, 2019 7:40:11 GMT -5
wouldn't seem that impressive with Brock Lesnar though
"and making his second title defense since November... Brock Lesnar"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 7:46:52 GMT -5
Maybe thereâll be a wrestling promotion that treat the belts as if they were legit titles but WWE are never gonna do that under Vinceâs vision.
He sees the titles as âpropsâ, a way to further storylines. He doesnât put value into title reigns and defenses or stuff like that.... unless the storyline calls for it (Punk)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 7:49:31 GMT -5
I've really never understood the purpose honestly. That they're constantly defended on house shows would just make the whole thing a lot sloppier anyway.
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Post by Tenshigure on Feb 1, 2019 8:37:53 GMT -5
Let's use the 504-day Universal Title reign from Lesnar, shall we?
1) vs Samoa Joe - Great Balls of Fire 2017
2) vs Braun Strowman, Roman Reigns, Samoa Joe - Summerslam 2017
3) vs Braun Strowman - No Mercy 2017
4) vs Braun Strowman, Kane - Royal Rumble 2018
5) vs Roman Reigns - WrestleMania 34
6) vs Roman Reigns - Greatest Royal Rumble
7) vs Roman Reigns (loss) - SummerSlam 2018
That's only four unique people fighting for the belt. Compare that to AJ Styles who had 14 title defenses (one which had a "Six-Pack Challenge"), and suddenly the whole mystique behind how 'Undisputed' Lesnar is. They don't defend the titles evenly enough for highlighting something like this, ESPECIALLY considering how many times they reiterate the same match over and over again.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 1, 2019 8:43:28 GMT -5
It's fun in concept, but as Lizuka mentioned, house shows muddy the waters a lot on it.
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Feb 1, 2019 9:04:26 GMT -5
Seems pretty impractical for a scripted sport like wrestling. It's different in MMA where a guy makes 2/3 defenses a year at most. In wrestling, you've got to figure every house show is a defense, so it gets pretty unwieldy quite quickly. Unless you go the route of not counting house shows, which would only serve to underline that the title is not changing hands at your house show.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 1, 2019 9:39:44 GMT -5
Not only are house shows flagging, but nobody is expecting there to be changes at a house show anyway. May as well just not count them, f*** it. I love how New Japan emphasizes number of defenses and builds their top title defenses as being worth something. WWE won't, ever. But it'd be neat.
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Post by Gremlin on Feb 1, 2019 10:00:39 GMT -5
Doing so could also remove their occasional storyline crutch of stripping the title because it hasn't been defended in x days in the case of someone being injured. I don't know how often that's happened recently but I'm sure they wouldn't like that losing that option.
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Post by TGM on Feb 1, 2019 11:41:31 GMT -5
Let's use the 504-day Universal Title reign from Lesnar, shall we? 1) vs Samoa Joe - Great Balls of Fire 2017 2) vs Braun Strowman, Roman Reigns, Samoa Joe - Summerslam 2017 3) vs Braun Strowman - No Mercy 2017 4) vs Braun Strowman, Kane - Royal Rumble 2018 5) vs Roman Reigns - WrestleMania 34 6) vs Roman Reigns - Greatest Royal Rumble 7) vs Roman Reigns (loss) - SummerSlam 2018 That's only four unique people fighting for the belt. Compare that to AJ Styles who had 14 title defenses (one which had a "Six-Pack Challenge"), and suddenly the whole mystique behind how 'Undisputed' Lesnar is. They don't defend the titles evenly enough for highlighting something like this, ESPECIALLY considering how many times they reiterate the same match over and over again. I only count ten unique opponents for AJ during his reign. Jinder, Joe, Owens, Zayn, Cena, Ziggler, Shinsuke, Rusev, Corbin and Bryan. Who are the other 4? |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Feb 1, 2019 12:14:01 GMT -5
Yes. Good idea. Hopefully it's incorporated into Smackdown Fox.
Maybe even soft reboot the titles and start afresh for that?
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Post by Tenshigure on Feb 1, 2019 12:29:52 GMT -5
Let's use the 504-day Universal Title reign from Lesnar, shall we? 1) vs Samoa Joe - Great Balls of Fire 2017 2) vs Braun Strowman, Roman Reigns, Samoa Joe - Summerslam 2017 3) vs Braun Strowman - No Mercy 2017 4) vs Braun Strowman, Kane - Royal Rumble 2018 5) vs Roman Reigns - WrestleMania 34 6) vs Roman Reigns - Greatest Royal Rumble 7) vs Roman Reigns (loss) - SummerSlam 2018 That's only four unique people fighting for the belt. Compare that to AJ Styles who had 14 title defenses (one which had a "Six-Pack Challenge"), and suddenly the whole mystique behind how 'Undisputed' Lesnar is. They don't defend the titles evenly enough for highlighting something like this, ESPECIALLY considering how many times they reiterate the same match over and over again. I only count ten unique opponents for AJ during his reign. Jinder, Joe, Owens, Zayn, Cena, Ziggler, Shinsuke, Rusev, Corbin and Bryan. Who are the other 4? He had 14 title defenses, not unique opponents. Even so, more defenses AND more unique opponents put against Lesnar's longer title reign makes it the WWE Championship sound more 'undisputed' than Lesnar's. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 1, 2019 12:32:22 GMT -5
Not only are house shows flagging, but nobody is expecting there to be changes at a house show anyway. May as well just not count them, f*** it. I love how New Japan emphasizes number of defenses and builds their top title defenses as being worth something. WWE won't, ever. But it'd be neat. I love how NJPW does it. That video presentation before the match showing each former champion gets me hyped. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 1, 2019 12:40:05 GMT -5
Not only are house shows flagging, but nobody is expecting there to be changes at a house show anyway. May as well just not count them, f*** it. I love how New Japan emphasizes number of defenses and builds their top title defenses as being worth something. WWE won't, ever. But it'd be neat. I love how NJPW does it. That video presentation before the match showing each former champion gets me hyped. It conveys the history of the prize in question and expresses the vastness of who has fought for and held the title. Too often WWE tries to hide or run away from its history or worries that expressing that "makes it feel old", but it adds so much. |
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Post by TGM on Feb 1, 2019 12:56:24 GMT -5
I only count ten unique opponents for AJ during his reign. Jinder, Joe, Owens, Zayn, Cena, Ziggler, Shinsuke, Rusev, Corbin and Bryan. Who are the other 4? He had 14 title defenses, not unique opponents. Even so, more defenses AND more unique opponents put against Lesnar's longer title reign makes it the WWE Championship sound more 'undisputed' than Lesnar's. Seems odd you would mix title defenses for one person and unique opponents for the other. |
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