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Post by Spider2024 on Feb 4, 2019 7:10:38 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ROH_World_ChampionsCurrently in his second trip with that championship title belt, he's now held it for more combined days than any Ring Of Honor wrestler ever, just today surpassing the mark set by Samoa Joe's lone reign. I've always thought he was talented. I liked his Black Machismo gimmick, but I knew he could achieve bigger. Good for him.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Feb 4, 2019 9:20:25 GMT -5
Good for him. I like Lethal, think he’s damn talented and deserves the accolade.
That being said, they desperately need to get the belt off him. It really feels like the belt hasn’t meant shit since Cody had it. That’s no indictment of Jay or Dalton, it’s entirely on the booking but that belt doesn’t feel anywhere near as important as it should
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Feb 4, 2019 10:21:05 GMT -5
Out of everyone in the company, currently, Jay Lethal is the most accomplished, with Jay Briscoe being the next. He is a great worker, who doesn't get enough credit in my opinion.
I agree that the ROH title has been tainted, not by having "bad" champions, but by not having credible contenders. When ROH focused heavily on using NJPW talent as special attractions, I noticed not many of their top acts fought for the belt, especially within the past year. Combine that with Iishi burying the TV title, and ROH, and their belts, look beneath some of the best wrestlers in the world.
ROH has always been a place for talented workers go to get exposure, but not many have been pedigreed as top guys. Taven and Young are underrated talents, and great heels, whom should be fighting tooth and nail against Lethal, like the days of Joe v. Homicide or Joe v. Punk. The talent has always been there, but the severe lack of rivalries and title programs needs to be addressed going into the new phase in ROH.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 11:34:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deputy Muscle on Feb 4, 2019 12:27:06 GMT -5
Out of everyone in the company, currently, Jay Lethal is the most accomplished, with Jay Briscoe being the next. He is a great worker, who doesn't get enough credit in my opinion. I agree that the ROH title has been tainted, not by having "bad" champions, but by not having credible contenders. When ROH focused heavily on using NJPW talent as special attractions, I noticed not many of their top acts fought for the belt, especially within the past year. Combine that with Iishi burying the TV title, and ROH, and their belts, look beneath some of the best wrestlers in the world. ROH has always been a place for talented workers go to get exposure, but not many have been pedigreed as top guys. Taven and Young are underrated talents, and great heels, whom should be fighting tooth and nail against Lethal, like the days of Joe v. Homicide or Joe v. Punk. The talent has always been there, but the severe lack of rivalries and title programs needs to be addressed going into the new phase in ROH. Agree with this. Lethal as a wrestler I'd definely very good but he's not a guy you build a company on. They have the talent on the roster but seem unsure how to book title feuds. I mean the TV title just had a 4an tournament including Facade....i don't think he's won a TV match! |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 4, 2019 14:09:46 GMT -5
Lethal lost the juice when he cut his hair
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 4, 2019 19:46:41 GMT -5
I don't get it.
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Post by Guacamole Anderson on Feb 4, 2019 20:07:12 GMT -5
There's definitely worse guys than Lethal they could put the belt on.
His first reign was pretty solid and he did feel like a top guy to me...he was built up pretty well with the long TV title reign. Then he just lost the belt kind of unceremoniously to Cole and seemed to fall off the face of the earth.
When he came back, it seemed like he won the belt out of the blue, then the whole Taeylerr Hendryyxxcks accusation came out (whatever became of that, BTW?) and it's like he's never really got any steam as champion.
I liked his first reign but his second reign has felt like a placeholder to me.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 4, 2019 20:18:12 GMT -5
And like a third to half of these days as champion have been remotely interesting. That's more than Briscoe managed, so, score.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Feb 4, 2019 20:26:32 GMT -5
I like Lethal, I definitely think he deserves to be a top guy and World Champion. But him reaching this milestone really feels more like a reflection of how thin the ROH roster has gotten over the last year or two then a sign of Lethal's greatness.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 20:55:49 GMT -5
Yeah ROH and it’s title always felt the future of wrestling now it feels like guys WWE passed on.
Maybe it’s time to merge the TV and World titles?
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Post by chazraps on Feb 4, 2019 21:13:50 GMT -5
I just realized he's also the all time mark for days as ROH TV champion as well with 567 days.
Taven is just behind him at 287.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 22:06:14 GMT -5
Jay Lethal is a guy who I kind of theoretically understand the appeal of but by and large have always found profoundly uninteresting. It kind of says it all that the closest he's really ever been to consistently entertaining for me was as a Macho Man ripoff.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 4, 2019 23:04:11 GMT -5
Yeah ROH and it’s title always felt the future of wrestling now it feels like guys WWE passed on. Maybe it’s time to merge the TV and World titles? I dunno, I don't think the issue is that the TV title exists, it's more just that there is a lack of upward mobility for guys. Though, if this meant Jeff Cobb beating him for the title to unify them, I might be able to get behind that.  |
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Post by Error on Feb 4, 2019 23:17:10 GMT -5
Lethal lost the juice when he cut his hair Honestly I think it was that for me. The face turn was rough but okay, the head shaving angle was garbage and exposed him as a horrible face. This very well could be an ROH issue though since they book their top faces to be these ultra serious people and frankly Lethal sucks at that. He's a great character guy and can wrestle, they're just betraying him with this run. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 23:20:27 GMT -5
Dude has just been such a bore since Truth Martini left.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 4, 2019 23:54:55 GMT -5
Lethal lost the juice when he cut his hair Honestly I think it was that for me. The face turn was rough but okay, the head shaving angle was garbage and exposed him as a horrible face. This very well could be an ROH issue though since they book their top faces to be these ultra serious people and frankly Lethal sucks at that. He's a great character guy and can wrestle, they're just betraying him with this run. Yea, combination of all that
It just seems like he did it all as a big time heel and it was such a great run that you can't really duplicate it. He was legit one of the best in the world but once he got his head shaved and turned face it just wasn't the same. He should be more so a guy working with a character instead of being himself and I think it's a look thing for me as well as he just don't have the same swag bald headed
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 2:55:36 GMT -5
Jay Briscoe should have a lengthy run as champion.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 5, 2019 3:10:12 GMT -5
Jay Briscoe should have a lengthy run as champion. I really hope not. Like, even outside of that I just plain don't like him, I feel like they really could use a champion who hasn't had the belt yet. I miss that ROH used to only rarely have repeat champs. |
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Feb 5, 2019 6:42:51 GMT -5
Good for him. I like Lethal, think he’s damn talented and deserves the accolade. That being said, they desperately need to get the belt off him. It really feels like the belt hasn’t meant shit since Cody had it. That’s no indictment of Jay or Dalton, it’s entirely on the booking but that belt doesn’t feel anywhere near as important as it should Yup, I'm happy he has that accolade now, but he needs to drop the title soon. |
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