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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 4, 2019 23:58:01 GMT -5
Between her awful Rumble showing and the fact that she seems to be the one that always gets pinned they really don't seem to like Liv at all which is too bad because I think there is some potential there. Makes me wonder if there's some kind of backstage attitude issue there. Logan isn't booked well either but is at least made to look more competent then Liv who is almost treated as someone who doesn't even belong on the roster. Ruby has always been treated fine so there's really no problem there. It looks like she's probably going to challenge Ronda at Elimination Chamber which would be the second year in a row she would challenge for a title a February PPV. Yeah she didn't win last year and she won't win this year but it's still not a bad spot by any means as a lot women on the roster have never got a one on one PPV title match yet alone two. At this point I think they should just split them up and just push Ronda as a singles since she's the only one they care about anyways. They have no credibility at all anymore (not that they had much to begin with) as a group. Ah yes the coveted spot held by Tamina multiple times and Cameron once. Eh, it's a living.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 0:09:35 GMT -5
Ah yes the coveted spot held by Tamina multiple times and Cameron once. I should've clarified more and said in the last couple of years when the women's division started to get more focus and more talented. Yeah up until 2015 it wouldn't be a coveted spot but today it's a pretty good sign of faith I would say. Today there's no way someone like a Tamina or a Cameron would get a title shot on PPV. Even back then Cameron only got that spot as a sub for Naomi who was injured. I’m not knocking the spot or your post. I just love how often Tamina got throwaway PPV title shots. She got at least 1 against Paige after she got the belt the first time too. If Ronda’s defending the belt between now and Mania, Ruby’s the only option really. And I’m sure she’ll put on a good match.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 5, 2019 1:23:22 GMT -5
Yeah, as a partial fan, it’s a bit frustrating to see this group who have learned to gel well together do nothing but lose and lose and lose. I like the Riott Squad but this is a problem about wwe not having a clue how to book divisons and on Raw it’s all about Ronda and to a much lesser extent Nia and everyone else is just their to job.Their gonna crown women’s tag champs in a few weeks and their only teams that really have chemistry and feel like a team are the Riott Squad and The IIconics and neither of those teams have any momentum through booking which is a shame and we’ve known about this women’s tag division for a longtime now and they haven’t really done anything to build it up instead they’ll have a match crown champs and say its HISTORIC which is way lesser effective than building some teams up. What makes it worse is that the only teams that have been built up and have any chance of winning are Sasha and Bayley who have no chemistry at all despite being real life best friends and Nia and Tamina who are just simply terrible. They should it put it on either the Riott's or IIconics since they actually are the only two that come off like actual teams. Also even though they haven't been booked well and in the IIconics case have had some shoddy in ring performances on top of it they are teams you can actually book good storylines with either as champions whether it's Bayley/Sasha chasing the IIconics as these annoying lucky heel champs who somehow hang onto the titles or having to overcome the numbers and Freebird rule with the Riott Squad. Instead though they'll just neglect all of that because of STAR POWER or nepotism which obviously isn't what it's supposed to be about if you want this division to be a success.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 2:26:26 GMT -5
I should've clarified more and said in the last couple of years when the women's division started to get more focus and more talented. Yeah up until 2015 it wouldn't be a coveted spot but today it's a pretty good sign of faith I would say. Today there's no way someone like a Tamina or a Cameron would get a title shot on PPV. Even back then Cameron only got that spot as a sub for Naomi who was injured. I’m not knocking the spot or your post. I just love how often Tamina got throwaway PPV title shots. She got at least 1 against Paige after she got the belt the first time too. What was amusing to me was before Rock originally came back 2011 Tamina wasn't pushed as a wrestler much then he’d go away for awhile and then suddenly right as he’s supposed to comeback suddenly Tamina’s getting title shots then Rock leaves again and there goes her push that happened a few times the 1st couple years of Rock’s return and it was just a wacky coincidence she just so happened to put it all together to procure the correct amount of victories to garner said title shots and then when he left she couldn’t buy a victory.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 5, 2019 2:38:43 GMT -5
I've seen so little of Liv I had to make a thread asking about her. I was gutted by her rumble showing, she has something compelling about her.
Nothing wrong with her taking the losses at this stage but give her something, even if it's just her slowly going nuts as she's the one who keeps losing.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 5, 2019 2:41:30 GMT -5
The Riot Squad have always pretty much been treated like unimportant jobbers.
They've never really been treated like a threat or anything since they debuted.
After all they were the ones considered the Absolution ripoffs. (who never really did anything either)
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Feb 5, 2019 2:42:14 GMT -5
It's sad because for a little bit there...maybe a month or so they were geling so well in the ring that I was even calling them Lady Shield.
I could see them having the women's tag titles the same way New Day does the tag titles, just switch people out.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 5, 2019 3:16:29 GMT -5
In fairness, in the Rumble match they actually did what almost no heel groups do - beat people up and put them back in the ring to get eliminated.
If only they applied that level of strategy anywhere else.
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Post by 4real on Feb 5, 2019 3:33:43 GMT -5
I feel like Liv & Sarah will turn on Ruby soon. I’m not sure how much more mileage WWE can get out of the Riot Squad. And I’m feeling like Ruby will break out on her own soon she has a lot of potential as a babyface.
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Post by masterthought on Feb 5, 2019 3:58:42 GMT -5
This is what happens they don’t have Becky Lynch to kick around for weeks on end anymore. Because that WAS most of their SmackDown run. Not even. They were loser on SD too. Becky always beat Ruby's ass
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 5, 2019 4:03:20 GMT -5
This is what happens they don’t have Becky Lynch to kick around for weeks on end anymore. Because that WAS most of their SmackDown run. Not even. They were loser on SD too. Becky always beat Ruby's ass I mean, it wasn’t completely one-sided, very few of these things ever are, but that was just Lynch’s position at the time. She was a decently beloved face used to heat up heels for Charlotte and/or Asuka.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 4:35:34 GMT -5
I feel like Liv & Sarah will turn on Ruby soon. I’m not sure how much more mileage WWE can get out of the Riot Squad. And I’m feeling like Ruby will break out on her own soon she has a lot of potential as a babyface. Yeah, I'd consider breaking them up. Ruby's always been out of her element as a heel and the other two would do alright enough as a tag team. If all three were to go solo I see Sarah being the odd one out, though.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 5, 2019 4:53:56 GMT -5
This is what happens they don’t have Becky Lynch to kick around for weeks on end anymore. Because that WAS most of their SmackDown run. Not even. They were loser on SD too. Becky always beat Ruby's ass I was going to say other then being put on the shelf by them in their debut so she could film Marine 6, Becky always fared pretty well against the Riott Squad. I think she went over Ruby, who is easily the strong link in the group, a couple of other times too in single matches. It really shows how little they've always been invested in the Riott's as Becky pre Man when she was underdog babyface put EVERYBODY over. I think every heel in the women's division got a win over her at some point from 2016 to when they finally started booking her strong last summer. Even division bottom feeders like Tamina, Emma, Dana Brooke, and pre pushed Mandy Rose all got pinfall wins over Becky.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 5, 2019 5:08:47 GMT -5
Not even. They were loser on SD too. Becky always beat Ruby's ass I was going to say other then being put on the shelf by them in their debut so she could film Marine 6, Becky always fared pretty well against the Riott Squad. I think she went over Ruby, who is easily the strong link in the group, a couple of other times too in single matches. It really shows how little they've always been invested in the Riott's as Becky pre Man when she was underdog babyface put EVERYBODY over. I think every heel in the women's division got a win over her at some point from 2016 to when they finally started booking her strong last summer. Even division bottom feeders like Tamina, Emma, Dana Brooke, and pre pushed Mandy Rose all got pinfall wins over Becky. The Mandy Rose match always fascinates me because of, I think it was a throwaway commentary line where they mentioned Lynch being down on her luck, and then she lost in a dirty finish and many were of the belief that she was about to go on a proper long losing streak. She has lost only five televised matches since.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 5:21:41 GMT -5
We’ve known about this wwe’s tag division for a long ass time now yet they’ve done a terrible job building it and you still see regularly on SDL Charlotte,Becky and Asuka singlehandedly by themselves in 1 on 2 and sometimes 1 on 3 situations beating the iiconics or mandy & Sonya in a segment and just last night they had Ronda destroy 2/3rd’s of the riott squad easily 2 weeks before their gonna crown tag champs that does nothing for no one not even the top women that beat them because those lower card teams have zero credibility and if their such an afterthought why even bother with having women’s tag titles?
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 5, 2019 5:22:46 GMT -5
I was going to say other then being put on the shelf by them in their debut so she could film Marine 6, Becky always fared pretty well against the Riott Squad. I think she went over Ruby, who is easily the strong link in the group, a couple of other times too in single matches. It really shows how little they've always been invested in the Riott's as Becky pre Man when she was underdog babyface put EVERYBODY over. I think every heel in the women's division got a win over her at some point from 2016 to when they finally started booking her strong last summer. Even division bottom feeders like Tamina, Emma, Dana Brooke, and pre pushed Mandy Rose all got pinfall wins over Becky. The Mandy Rose match always fascinates me because of, I think it was a throwaway commentary line where they mentioned Lynch being down on her luck, and then she lost in a dirty finish and many were of the belief that she was about to go on a proper long losing streak. She has lost only five televised matches since. It was odd in that it seemed like they were setting up the dreaded losing streak angle for her with if I remember the commentators even saying she was on a losing streak. However afterwards they went the complete opposite direction by giving her a winning streak. Won the following week and hasn't looked back since. I guess they just simply had a change of plans between weeks. They never said it on TV but from a character standpoint I kind of see the Mandy Rose loss as the turning point match for her. Like her telling herself afterwards "I know I'm better then this, I'm tired of being a push over and I'm going to start kicking ass until I get where I should be". I think they probably should've had her done a promo like that even in one of those backstage promos they just show on the youtube channel. Would've made her sudden push make more sense instead of having her seemingly hitting pretty much rock bottom one week and then just suddenly being a world beater ever since.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 12:51:09 GMT -5
I've seen so little of Liv I had to make a thread asking about her. I was gutted by her rumble showing, she has something compelling about her. Nothing wrong with her taking the losses at this stage but give her something, even if it's just her slowly going nuts as she's the one who keeps losing. Yeah, no offense to Sarah as she’s a good powerhouse, but I feel like Liv and Ruby have a bit more mileage in them. I’ve been getting that vibe as well. Probably might lead to Liv snapping on the two of them or just Ruby as she’s the wink link, etc. I just hope when they do break up that all three get a chance to sign. I’d hate to see either of them turn into a Dana Brooke or Summer Rae or Emma and just take losses and never be seen for months on end. Also, I have no clue what it is about Liv, but she’s really catching myself and other people’s eyes, I’ve noticed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 12:54:56 GMT -5
In fairness, in the Rumble match they actually did what almost no heel groups do - beat people up and put them back in the ring to get eliminated. If only they applied that level of strategy anywhere else. They admittedly show signs of good things for them here and there. I like how they’re booked like a family, I like when they’re actually showing what they can do as a group, I liked what they did at the rumble. But then they go right back to taking Ls.
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