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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 15:49:01 GMT -5
"BEHOLD! THE NEW WWE!!!"
it's the same exact thing as the old wwe sir
"But LOOK! Seth Rollins is wearing a hat now!"
sir he is not wearing a hat
"Meh."
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Post by Dub H on Feb 6, 2019 15:49:52 GMT -5
Plenty of awesome changes that fans were clamoring for: - Rusev inexplicably turning heel again - Balor getting his ass kicked by Brock Lesnar after the bell - Paige no longer being an on-screen GM - Jeff Jarrett back on TV under his little-known gimmick from the mid-90s - Dean Ambrose not re-signing and likely jobbing out for 3 months - McMahons being back on TV Well, Mustafa Ali is getting a decent push. I'll give them that much. They’ve also given us - Becky being the underdog and likely winning wrestlemania. - Daniel Bryan’s awesome heel turn and WWE title reign. Who would’ve thought that? - Seth Rollins finally getting a chance to beat Lesnar for the belt. - Women’s tag titles and subsequent opportunities for Sasha/Bayley and other tag teams. - Turning Lashley heel and being a dominant IC Champion with a mouthpiece. - Giving Asuka the Smackdown women’s title and cementing her reign by beating Becky. - Andrade/Rey mini feud. - cool title matches in between PPVS. There’s much more good than most realize tbh Counterpoints - They still want to shoehorn Charlotte.Same thing they ever do. - No one wanted heel Bryan,he should have been an easy face to book.He si booked like every other heel,except he is a really good performer - it is a repeated story of lesnar and the shield, crowd seems into it at least,but its nothing new. -Nice to see woman shine ,but WWE already cant handle their current title,its not change,just piling up more of the same. -He still gets no story besides random attacks and segment because HE IS MEAN AND STRONG. -And then she disappeared from SD! for two weeks just like before she won the title. -EVERY SINGLE LATINO HEEL FACES REY. it is basically mandatory at this point.This is literally the laziest booking possible for both. -WWE always had good titles matches at shows,that was the open challenge whole deal. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 6, 2019 15:52:57 GMT -5
I don't buy the "no automatic rematches" thing when the net result is the matches still f***ing happen anyway. The in-universe justification was not the actual problem, and since the "change", I don't think there has been a single newly crowned champion whose PPV match was not a rematch of them against the person they beat for the title. Not one single match. Get out of here with that nonsense. Hell the biggest problem wasn't even that if a champion lost they got a rematch... it was... by the time that happened we were already at like the 17th match between them, because the Challenger kept getting rematches for no real reason. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 6, 2019 15:53:33 GMT -5
I don't buy the "no automatic rematches" thing when the net result is the matches still f***ing happen anyway. The in-universe justification was not the actual problem, and since the "change", I don't think there has been a single newly crowned champion whose PPV match was not a rematch of them against the person they beat for the title. Not one single match. Get out of here with that nonsense. The point of it is to give the old contender a chance to earn his opportunity through a match with other contenders or those wanting a shot at the title as well. I’d personally rather have AJ/Orton/Ali/Joe in a fatal four way or tag team turmoils than the same old “I AM ANGRY I LOST AND THIS ISNT OVER BECAUSE I HAVE REMATCH.” But the root issue is still the same feuds locked in for months at a time. PPVs are still the same old rematches, one week of Raw booking doesn't change that the staleness lets them draw out storylines way past their expiry date. The WWE champion fought the guy he beat for his title in the last two PPVs since the change. That's not progress that's "But I put a nice hat on him". |
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Post by Dub H on Feb 6, 2019 15:53:58 GMT -5
I don't buy the "no automatic rematches" thing when the net result is the matches still f***ing happen anyway. The in-universe justification was not the actual problem, and since the "change", I don't think there has been a single newly crowned champion whose PPV match was not a rematch of them against the person they beat for the title. Not one single match. Get out of here with that nonsense. Hell the biggest problem wasn't even that if a champion lost they got a rematch... it was... by the time that happened we were already at like the 17th match between them, because the Challenger kept getting rematches for no real reason. Not their fault Batista keeps giving away his code. |
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 6, 2019 15:54:19 GMT -5
It is worth noting that Smackdown tended to be the more interesting and entertaining show before the McMahontervention. Said intervention on the McMahons' part was mainly because Raw was godawful and the numbers finally started reflecting that. And outside of Becky Lynch switching brands to make Ronda Rousey act the fool, Raw's still the same old shit as ever.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 6, 2019 15:55:39 GMT -5
It is worth noting that Smackdown tended to be the more interesting and entertaining show before the McMahontervention. Said intervention on the McMahons' part was mainly because Raw was godawful and the numbers finally started reflecting that. And outside of Becky Lynch switching brands to make Ronda Rousey act the fool, Raw's still the same old shit as ever. And even BEFORE that, when SD!Live debute,it was even more different and better,but WWE insisted into making it exactly the same as RAW but smaller. |
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Post by adamclark52 on Feb 6, 2019 15:59:13 GMT -5
Moar McMahons!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 16:00:30 GMT -5
They’ve also given us - Becky being the underdog and likely winning wrestlemania. - Daniel Bryan’s awesome heel turn and WWE title reign. Who would’ve thought that? - Seth Rollins finally getting a chance to beat Lesnar for the belt. - Women’s tag titles and subsequent opportunities for Sasha/Bayley and other tag teams. - Turning Lashley heel and being a dominant IC Champion with a mouthpiece. - Giving Asuka the Smackdown women’s title and cementing her reign by beating Becky. - Andrade/Rey mini feud. - cool title matches in between PPVS. There’s much more good than most realize tbh Counterpoints - They still want to shoehorn Charlotte.Same thing they ever do. - No one wanted heel Bryan,he should have been an easy face to book.He si booked like every other heel,except he is a really good performer - it is a repeated story of lesnar and the shield, crowd seems into it at least,but its nothing new. -Nice to see woman shine ,but WWE already cant handle their current title,its not change,just piling up more of the same. -He still gets no story besides random attacks and segment because HE IS MEAN AND STRONG. -And then she disappeared from SD! for two weeks just like before she won the title. -EVERY SINGLE LATINO HEEL FACES REY. it is basically mandatory at this point.This is literally the laziest booking possible for both. -WWE always had good titles matches at shows,that was the open challenge whole deal. - For some reason people tend to forget this, but Charlotte is supposed to be the heel. She’s been booked like this since the tail end of December and they’re clearly planting her to once again be foiled by Becky. Heels are meant to be taken down, and Flair is no exception to that rule. People can calling her Woman Reigns but she deadass hasn’t been booked that way since August. - No one did, but there’s no denying that he was bored with it and wanted a change. The crowds were dying and gravitating towards Styles. So, Bryan wanted this turn and he’s knocked it out of the park. - It may not be new to us, but for once they’ve got a believable underdog who can actually take out Lesnar and get the Universal title. It helps that Seth is way more believable in this role. Doesn’t matter if we’ve seen it before as familiarity is good when done correctly. And they’ll no doubt launch Seth to the top at Mania. They only changed the finish because the crowd was not going to have it. - They can’t? They’re having Ronda bring prestige to the title by successfully defending it on top of it main eventing Wrestlemania. Plus, they seem to be doing pretty alright since we’ve got six teams who’ll fight their way to just become the tag champs. - That was his shtick in TNA though. Everyone was clamoring for that big and strong, dominant heel Lashley to come back and they more or less delivered and are giving him a nice little run with the belt imo. - I’ll give you that. They shouldn’t have the champion off the show. - And it’s worked hasn’t it? Each match they’ve knocked it out of the park and gives Andrade something to do by facing a legend in Rey. - The open challenge was just used as fodder for a heel to interrupt and ruin it tbh. At least now it’s actually defended. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 16:01:47 GMT -5
It is worth noting that Smackdown tended to be the more interesting and entertaining show before the McMahontervention. Said intervention on the McMahons' part was mainly because Raw was godawful and the numbers finally started reflecting that. And outside of Becky Lynch switching brands to make Ronda Rousey act the fool, Raw's still the same old shit as ever. It has its dips, yes, but I personally have found Raw to be pretty good since January. At least a tad bit more structured tbh. |
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Feb 6, 2019 16:16:22 GMT -5
They've changed their ratings for the better.
There's plenty of new blood in the main event scene.
They respond a lot more positively to audience reactions by booking accordingly.
Finally they take their rosters complaints seriously.
They've given the roster plenty of leeway in their promos as long as they stick to certain bullet points.
Vince has started trusting his commentators more.
Talent at last counts over physical attributes.
Talent has more time off leading to bigger, more versatile turnaround of matches weekly.
Am I doing this correctly?
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Post by Venti on Feb 6, 2019 16:22:04 GMT -5
People seem to forget that they literally said it's gonna be a slow change over months.
Sometimes it feels like people just enjoy being negative, really sucks the fun out of wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 16:33:54 GMT -5
People seem to forget that they literally said it's gonna be a slow change over months. Sometimes it feels like people just enjoy being negative, really sucks the fun out of wrestling. I wouldn’t say that they enjoy being negative. Everyone has their own perception of how WWE or Raw should be, and the majority are just tired of seeing someone else’s vision and not the people’s vision. That being said, I’ve found Raw to be fine since January. Not the greatest thing on earth nor is it at its peak but it’s been fine with a few dips here and there. And they’re clearly trying with the bullet points I listed on the last page. Smackdown and NXT have been aces to me so no complaints from me on that front. That and aside for the occasional bomb segment or conversation about a segment or PPV matchup I’ve mainly drifted from the live threads as that’s when emotions, negativity and doubt are at their apex imo. |
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Post by Perd on Feb 6, 2019 16:37:19 GMT -5
Seriously, I’ve come more and more to think that it’s all just pissing in the wind. I really don’t know if there’s anything they could, realistically, do to improve ratings. I say “realistically” because I don’t think Vince has the patience to do the sorts of things necessary to facilitate such a thing. The things people are pointing to, as changes, add up to very little. To me; things like fresh feuds and new faces, don’t mean all that much, when it’s all presented in the same fashion that it has been for well over a decade. The problems are systemic. They go far more towards presentation and format, than talent and how it’s used. All in all, I think it’s much more likely that ratings continue to slide than it is that they get better.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 6, 2019 16:49:44 GMT -5
People seem to forget that they literally said it's gonna be a slow change over months. Sometimes it feels like people just enjoy being negative, really sucks the fun out of wrestling. People seem to forget that saying "Please don't tune out to our show we promise to gradually make things better over an indeterminate amount of time and without many substantive promises of how" is already having a negative effect on the viewers who came back. Nobody is expecting the whole show to be different but they did make some immediate promises, evaluating what those promises mean for the show is valid, and so is understanding that they bought some time with that promise, but people are going to keep bleeding away again as time goes on with the feeling it was bullshit, and they'll be even harder to get to come back next time. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 6, 2019 18:44:34 GMT -5
This is the first month in years that all four active McMahons (with HHH replacing Linda) got punched or slapped in the face during a show.
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Post by Friday Night SmackSown on Feb 6, 2019 18:49:40 GMT -5
This is the first month in years that all four active McMahons (with HHH replacing Linda) got punched or slapped in the face during a show. And two of them by the same person, no less! |
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Post by Dub H on Feb 6, 2019 19:28:34 GMT -5
People seem to forget that they literally said it's gonna be a slow change over months. Sometimes it feels like people just enjoy being negative, really sucks the fun out of wrestling. People seem to forget that saying "Please don't tune out to our show we promise to gradually make things better over an indeterminate amount of time and without many substantive promises of how" is already having a negative effect on the viewers who came back. Nobody is expecting the whole show to be different but they did make some immediate promises, evaluating what those promises mean for the show is valid, and so is understanding that they bought some time with that promise, but people are going to keep bleeding away again as time goes on with the feeling it was bullshit, and they'll be even harder to get to come back next time. its " lets wait and see" all over again |
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Post by Error on Feb 6, 2019 20:03:33 GMT -5
People seem to forget that they literally said it's gonna be a slow change over months. Sometimes it feels like people just enjoy being negative, really sucks the fun out of wrestling. I agree to a point. I think people expect too much to soon when it comes to change being made. Hell people knew first couple of shows after they talked about making changes were pretaped holiday shows but were upset they were the same old thing. I mean they've got their creative locked down for the most part as they are building to WM. I also think people are looking over some of the small things they've done like letting stories mix in with others rather than seem isolated and changes in how promos are done. There were more box/entrance promos this week than there have been in the years, I'd guess. Plus you had things like getting Apollo's thoughts on Angle's promo and, my favorite, the post match interview with Bryan from the Gorilla position to end SDL. Hell, they even had the interviewer, Charly I think, be really more paparazzi like in questioning people, getting heels and faces upset with what she was asking. Now that said, WWE has burned a lot of people with their booking and their attitude toward anyone that was even slightly unhappy with it. They've given WWE many chances and been burn so why given them another? They're done waiting and want to see change now which I can't blame then for. |
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Post by Doctor No on Feb 6, 2019 20:08:02 GMT -5
People seem to forget that they literally said it's gonna be a slow change over months. Sometimes it feels like people just enjoy being negative, really sucks the fun out of wrestling. Maybe a better product, would bring less negativity? They’ll always be detractors but negativity for the product increasing in a time where the company itself has acknowledged on the air that there is a problem is not surprising. |
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