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Post by Fade on Feb 6, 2019 20:26:50 GMT -5
Damn. We’ve been half-assing it since becoming the Authority yall
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 6, 2019 20:58:21 GMT -5
Damn. We’ve been half-assing it since becoming the Authority yall Hey, I didn't ask for all this responsibility. I just wanna watch some wrassle.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Feb 6, 2019 21:20:45 GMT -5
I'm genuinely curious as to the complaint "both Royal Rumble winners were predictable".
Why is this bad?
I'd rather have predictable Rumbles where both winners are people we'd like to see win, rather than what we were getting where Vince picks someone we don't expect or likes to swerve us or do what he wants. Or he gives us good winners like last year, and then f***s them both over at WM, and the months after.
Why is Becky and Seth winning somehow negative? They gave the fans what they wanted for once.
I get having differences of opinion, but this just feels like people wanting to complain no matter what.
Becky winning was the right call. Seth winning makes sense in the storyline, although I do wish he would've challenged Bryan so we could have The Beast vs. The Demon at WM. But even then, it makes sense.
AND...AND...this years Rumble winners might actually WIN their matches at Mania. And one of them might actually MAIN EVENT WM like winning the damned thing is supposed to guarantee you!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 22:49:22 GMT -5
I'm genuinely curious as to the complaint "both Royal Rumble winners were predictable". Why is this bad? I'd rather have predictable Rumbles where both winners are people we'd like to see win, rather than what we were getting where Vince picks someone we don't expect or like to swerve us or do what he wants. Or he gives us good winners like last year, and then f***s them both over at WM, and the months after. Why is Becky and Seth winning somehow negative? They gave the fans what they wanted for once. I get having differences of opinion, but this just feels like people wanting to complain no matter what. Becky winning was the right call. Seth winning makes sense in the storyline, although I do wish he would've challenged Bryan so we could have The Beast vs. The Demon at WM. But even then, it makes sense. AND...AND...this years Rumble winners might actually WIN their matches at Mania. And one of them might actually MAIN EVENT WM like winning the damned thing is supposed to guarantee you! Yeah, I don’t get how that’s all of a sudden a complaint. Predictably is good if it leads to a good story or a good conclusion. And both are obviously headed to a good conclusion. Plus, they listened and gave us what we wanted.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Feb 6, 2019 22:55:34 GMT -5
I got a sick new tattoo in that timespan I think
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 22:56:35 GMT -5
Giving lesser known guys opportunities and screen time. Segueways and having a wwe ecosystem of sorts that sort of intertwine with one another instead of one particular bubble. Segments that set up matches for next week. The no automatic title rematch clause, no matter if it leads to the same challenger, is a good way to get other talent time to shine on top of giving the old contender a reason to have another shot at the belt. It’s been small changes but they are clearly trying. Yeah this. These are good "quality of life" changes. Now we just need more drastic changes to come about and we'll be good. This company's done well in changing the small stuff but we need some larger changes now.
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Post by BoomPeriod on Feb 6, 2019 23:48:41 GMT -5
I'm genuinely curious as to the complaint "both Royal Rumble winners were predictable". Why is this bad? I'd rather have predictable Rumbles where both winners are people we'd like to see win, rather than what we were getting where Vince picks someone we don't expect or like to swerve us or do what he wants. Or he gives us good winners like last year, and then f***s them both over at WM, and the months after. Why is Becky and Seth winning somehow negative? They gave the fans what they wanted for once. I get having differences of opinion, but this just feels like people wanting to complain no matter what. Becky winning was the right call. Seth winning makes sense in the storyline, although I do wish he would've challenged Bryan so we could have The Beast vs. The Demon at WM. But even then, it makes sense. AND...AND...this years Rumble winners might actually WIN their matches at Mania. And one of them might actually MAIN EVENT WM like winning the damned thing is supposed to guarantee you! Because predictable = boring. They were supposed to mix things up and this would have been an easy way they could have done it. Give us Drew McIntyre or Lashley instead of Seth or someone else. No one would have seen that and it would be a fresh match up. Seth hasn't faced Brock one on one but they've been in a match together before. Seth has been champion before. The match will be the same old shit, suplex suplex suplex. As far as Becky winning, there are talks of adding in Charlotte to the match. That totally takes away the steam of Becky winning the rumble. And its the same kind of shit that WWE has done in the past. Plus I don't keep up much with Raw or Smackdown so I am going with their PPVS and Rumble was the last one I watched and it was the same old shit. The best match on the card was miz and shane vs the bar and that match still wasn't that great.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves BBL Bayley on Feb 6, 2019 23:50:01 GMT -5
I'm genuinely curious as to the complaint "both Royal Rumble winners were predictable". Why is this bad? I'd rather have predictable Rumbles where both winners are people we'd like to see win, rather than what we were getting where Vince picks someone we don't expect or like to swerve us or do what he wants. Or he gives us good winners like last year, and then f***s them both over at WM, and the months after. Why is Becky and Seth winning somehow negative? They gave the fans what they wanted for once. I get having differences of opinion, but this just feels like people wanting to complain no matter what. Becky winning was the right call. Seth winning makes sense in the storyline, although I do wish he would've challenged Bryan so we could have The Beast vs. The Demon at WM. But even then, it makes sense. AND...AND...this years Rumble winners might actually WIN their matches at Mania. And one of them might actually MAIN EVENT WM like winning the damned thing is supposed to guarantee you! Predictability is fine, as long as the way there is good storytelling. Look at (I know, beating a dead Attitude Era horse) the road to Mania 14. Everyone and their mother knew the title was going to Austin. They capitalized on someone red hot and went with it. Much like they're doing with Becky. Obvious Stone Cold/The Man comparisons aside, there's nothing wrong with capitalizing on something hot and going with it. Same with Rollins. While he may not be as over as he was last summer, he's the top face on Raw so might as well run with it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 5:28:08 GMT -5
It was literally just a story to get Baron Corbin away from the GM position.
They never had any plans to revamp the show or change anything. No new production, no new themes or formats, nothing. Its all rubbish.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 5:42:30 GMT -5
The f***ing hubris to think that merely existing would fix anything..
It's been a real bummer watching Vince become exactly what he used to rag on WCW for.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Feb 7, 2019 6:17:41 GMT -5
The fact they are still doing Elimination Chamber and continually hyping it on TV in the same old PPV fashion means nothing has changed, and likely never will. It speaks volumes to me. I doubt the idea that they wouldn't do it ever even crossed their minds.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 7, 2019 6:57:36 GMT -5
What I'd find to be interesting is, for like a month, if WWE just ran RAW and SmackDown like the '80s-mid '90s style Superstars and Wrestling Challenge shows, and have the whole card be squash matches with maybe one star vs star main event and then the rest of the show be promos. I mean, that used to work just fine, and it seems like fans are burnt out on seeing all the top stars in matches every week (although if any of them aren't on for two weeks, it seems like it becomes a race to declare them missing persons).
Otherwise, other than the technically correct but also completely open-ended statement "BE MORE BETTER", I'm not sure what the f*** WWE could do to turn things around that doesn't involve the kind of fundamental change that requires them to actually take the shows off of TV for a few weeks to make them.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 7, 2019 7:21:12 GMT -5
What I'd find to be interesting is, for like a month, if WWE just ran RAW and SmackDown like the '80s-mid '90s style Superstars and Wrestling Challenge shows, and have the whole card be squash matches with maybe one star vs star main event and then the rest of the show be promos. I mean, that used to work just fine, and it seems like fans are burnt out on seeing all the top stars in matches every week (although if any of them aren't on for two weeks, it seems like it becomes a race to declare them missing persons). Otherwise, other than the technically correct but also completely open-ended statement "BE MORE BETTER", I'm not sure what the f*** WWE could do to turn things around that doesn't involve the kind of fundamental change that requires them to actually take the shows off of TV for a few weeks to make them. I'm not sure the old way would work on a 3 hour show without a little tweaking. But then, they could break down the roster to help with that. Have say, 3 defined divisions at the moment, women, men, tag teams. Have 1 featured match per division, the rest squashes/promos. Also different kinds of promos, some with an interviewer, some face to face, brainstorm as many styles as they can think of so they can make it more varied. So then, you're really only booking 3 matches per show, the rest is all angles/promoting a guy.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 7, 2019 7:43:23 GMT -5
Going by the reviews and some clips, it does seem they're trying to tie the shows together a bit more, which is good; there should be a story that carries through the entire show, each feud shouldn't feel like an isolated bubble where no other wrestlers or angles can get involved, the whole place should feel like an interconnected ecosystem on some level.
Those are "small detail" changes that can add up to be really positive after awhile; I think the issue a lot of folks have is that the general presentation still feels pretty same-y, with the same types, formats, and cadence of promos, same batches of pointless-feeling matches, etc. Fixing small details is vital, so good on them for trying, but the structural issues the company has run so much deeper and it'll take awhile to fix them.
If they were willing to suffer some really bad ratings for awhile I think they could rebuild themselves in a new way, but their standing, TV contracts, and investors wouldn't really stand for that.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 7, 2019 8:22:50 GMT -5
I'm genuinely curious as to the complaint "both Royal Rumble winners were predictable". Why is this bad? I'd rather have predictable Rumbles where both winners are people we'd like to see win, rather than what we were getting where Vince picks someone we don't expect or like to swerve us or do what he wants. Or he gives us good winners like last year, and then f***s them both over at WM, and the months after. Why is Becky and Seth winning somehow negative? They gave the fans what they wanted for once. I get having differences of opinion, but this just feels like people wanting to complain no matter what. Becky winning was the right call. Seth winning makes sense in the storyline, although I do wish he would've challenged Bryan so we could have The Beast vs. The Demon at WM. But even then, it makes sense. AND...AND...this years Rumble winners might actually WIN their matches at Mania. And one of them might actually MAIN EVENT WM like winning the damned thing is supposed to guarantee you! Because predictable = boring. They were supposed to mix things up and this would have been an easy way they could have done it. Give us Drew McIntyre or Lashley instead of Seth or someone else. No one would have seen that and it would be a fresh match up. Seth hasn't faced Brock one on one but they've been in a match together before. Seth has been champion before. The match will be the same old shit, suplex suplex suplex. As far as Becky winning, there are talks of adding in Charlotte to the match. That totally takes away the steam of Becky winning the rumble. And its the same kind of shit that WWE has done in the past. Plus I don't keep up much with Raw or Smackdown so I am going with their PPVS and Rumble was the last one I watched and it was the same old shit. The best match on the card was miz and shane vs the bar and that match still wasn't that great. Here's the problem with 'predictability' though; WWE has too often shunned it entirely. We've had so many times where the logical outcome gets tossed out so they can swerve us or do something unexpected because it was 'too predictable'. But a well told story often is sort of predictable; you know Luke is going to blow up the Death Star, you know Frodo is going to deliver the ring to Mordor. That doesn't make stories bad and it doesn't make their logical outcomes boring. Drew McIntyre vs. Brock Lesnar would have been f***ing abysmal because Drew is not getting anything resembling main event reactions, him winning would have been a wet fart to end a pretty good PPV. But it would have been the sort of nonsense WWE booked before. That's not good writing that Russo-esque bullshit. That's thinkpieces that fail to understand that no Avengers Endgame bringing back Thanos's victims does not inherently remove all dramatic stakes, they just don't know what dramatic stakes are. Daniel Bryan winning at Wrestlemania was predictable, they had to jump through the hoops of him beating three guys in one night to do it, and it was still the most exciting moment WWE have put on in years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:13:13 GMT -5
What I'd find to be interesting is, for like a month, if WWE just ran RAW and SmackDown like the '80s-mid '90s style Superstars and Wrestling Challenge shows, and have the whole card be squash matches with maybe one star vs star main event and then the rest of the show be promos. I mean, that used to work just fine, and it seems like fans are burnt out on seeing all the top stars in matches every week (although if any of them aren't on for two weeks, it seems like it becomes a race to declare them missing persons). Otherwise, other than the technically correct but also completely open-ended statement "BE MORE BETTER", I'm not sure what the f*** WWE could do to turn things around that doesn't involve the kind of fundamental change that requires them to actually take the shows off of TV for a few weeks to make them. This. Raw only needs to be 1:30 hours, it doesn’t need to be 3. Throw in some squash matches, midcard matches and have guys like Tyler Breeze main event against someone like Seth Rollins for the title every now and then. Raw in the 90s was so much more fun. Just go back and watch some of the Raw’s from the New Generation even. You had main event matches like 123 Kid vs Bret Hart, The Stalker vs Hunter Hearst Helmsley and Ahmed Johnson vs Faarooq. These matches were hyped throughout the show and made everyone look important. It was fun to watch. Now all we get is the same generic promos that lead to some multi man match... no wonder the crowd is so dead these days. I’d be more than okay with 40 minutes of “hype promos” leading to PPVs. Make it interesting. Have Ambrose talking in an alley or a bar or something. Have EC3 in an office. Make it different and give the characters some background and depth. I’m sick of the generic “setups” and formulas that seem to apply to everyone. I’m sick of every face teaming with every face against the angry heels. It’s outdated. Give everyone shades of grey and an individual background that makes them who they are instead of the black and white “Good Vs Evil” tripe. I’d be more than okay with Raw and Smackdown being the “hype” shows for the big PPV matches with the rare “5 star match” thrown in there. As long as it gives a platform to the wasted talents like Breeze, Fandango, Roode, etc.
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Post by Spider2024 on Feb 7, 2019 11:06:11 GMT -5
Um. Paige lost her on screen role. Just the change everyone was begging for! It was literally the only way to quell the 'Paige here' meme: For Paige not to be so much here.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 7, 2019 11:38:30 GMT -5
What I'd find to be interesting is, for like a month, if WWE just ran RAW and SmackDown like the '80s-mid '90s style Superstars and Wrestling Challenge shows, and have the whole card be squash matches with maybe one star vs star main event and then the rest of the show be promos. I mean, that used to work just fine, and it seems like fans are burnt out on seeing all the top stars in matches every week (although if any of them aren't on for two weeks, it seems like it becomes a race to declare them missing persons). Otherwise, other than the technically correct but also completely open-ended statement "BE MORE BETTER", I'm not sure what the f*** WWE could do to turn things around that doesn't involve the kind of fundamental change that requires them to actually take the shows off of TV for a few weeks to make them. This. Raw only needs to be 1:30 hours, it doesn’t need to be 3. Throw in some squash matches, midcard matches and have guys like Tyler Breeze main event against someone like Seth Rollins for the title every now and then. Raw in the 90s was so much more fun. Just go back and watch some of the Raw’s from the New Generation even. You had main event matches like 123 Kid vs Bret Hart, The Stalker vs Hunter Hearst Helmsley and Ahmed Johnson vs Faarooq. These matches were hyped throughout the show and made everyone look important. It was fun to watch. Now all we get is the same generic promos that lead to some multi man match... no wonder the crowd is so dead these days. I’d be more than okay with 40 minutes of “hype promos” leading to PPVs. Make it interesting. Have Ambrose talking in an alley or a bar or something. Have EC3 in an office. Make it different and give the characters some background and depth. I’m sick of the generic “setups” and formulas that seem to apply to everyone. I’m sick of every face teaming with every face against the angry heels. It’s outdated. Give everyone shades of grey and an individual background that makes them who they are instead of the black and white “Good Vs Evil” tripe. I’d be more than okay with Raw and Smackdown being the “hype” shows for the big PPV matches with the rare “5 star match” thrown in there. As long as it gives a platform to the wasted talents like Breeze, Fandango, Roode, etc. Right,people talk that they are making small changes,but for me that is doing the least of work possible. Not all big changes need time off tv and a giant investments,just dropping the Gimmick PPVs is a big improvement that requires no investment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 22:33:46 GMT -5
I think another good show of how little they've actually changed - just a few months ago they did an awful Lashley / Balor feud that killed the crowd week after week and now, after supposedly wanting to provide fresh matches, they're right back to doing it again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 22:56:56 GMT -5
One of you wonderful artists please make the Monday Night Raw logo wearing a new hat.
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