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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 16:34:25 GMT -5
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 6, 2019 16:36:06 GMT -5
Even though she showed up anyway, maybe don't "suspend" your most over superstar...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 16:37:56 GMT -5
Let's be real.
I love Becky and yeah she's the most over star but she doesn't move the needle. Nobody's moving the needle right now. They gotta do something because this whole format of how they do things doesn't work. Again in case yall think it's a shot at Becky it's not, she just doesn't do numbers. It is what it is. The main roster needs a rebrand.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 6, 2019 16:39:39 GMT -5
Let's be real. I love Becky and yeah she's the most over star but she doesn't move the needle. Nobody's moving the needle right now. They gotta do something because this whole format of how they do things doesn't work. Again in case yall think it's a shot at Becky it's not, she just doesn't do numbers. It is what it is. The main roster needs a rebrand. She wasn't advertised for the show. She showed up unannounced when the last time we saw her was walking away from being suspended. Maybe she's not a draw, but what we see is they basically said she's off the chessboard, and the rating the next night dropped.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 16:42:26 GMT -5
If nothing else something I hope they take from the duds SmackDown's been putting on lately is finally dropping this Bryan / AJ thing after Elimination Chamber. Not that I necessarily think it's chasing viewers off in its own right but what's the point of tuning in to SmackDown just to see the same shit they've been doing for months?
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Feb 6, 2019 16:43:14 GMT -5
Let's be real. I love Becky and yeah she's the most over star but she doesn't move the needle. Nobody's moving the needle right now. They gotta do something because this whole format of how they do things doesn't work. Again in case yall think it's a shot at Becky it's not, she just doesn't do numbers. It is what it is. The main roster needs a rebrand. Exactly, her act is hot and deservedly so but let's face it no one the roster is going to move the needle by themselves. Probably explains their obsession with bringing back Attitude era stars and why when Cena is available he goes to both shows as a "free agent." Instead of changing up their usual format and bend to the fans will, they try to put a band aid on the product.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 16:43:16 GMT -5
Let's be real. I love Becky and yeah she's the most over star but she doesn't move the needle. Nobody's moving the needle right now. They gotta do something because this whole format of how they do things doesn't work. Again in case yall think it's a shot at Becky it's not, she just doesn't do numbers. It is what it is. The main roster needs a rebrand. She wasn't advertised for the show. She showed up unannounced when the last time we saw her was walking away from being suspended. Maybe she's not a draw, but what we see is they basically said she's off the chessboard, and the rating the next night dropped. I don't think that matters. The rating would have dropped regardless due to how the ratings have been these past few weeks. Even when she was advertised the ratings dropped a few weeks ago, I mean it is what it is.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 6, 2019 16:43:30 GMT -5
Let's be real. I love Becky and yeah she's the most over star but she doesn't move the needle. Nobody's moving the needle right now. They gotta do something because this whole format of how they do things doesn't work. Again in case yall think it's a shot at Becky it's not, she just doesn't do numbers. It is what it is. The main roster needs a rebrand. Yup. Becky is maybe the most over thing going in wrestling right now, and when even something with that much support can't get people to actually watch weekly, the problem goes way deeper than the stars. The brand itself is tainted from years of being at odds with their fan base. The tipping point happened at some point where it went from "see ya next week" to "where'd everybody go?".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 16:44:42 GMT -5
Let's be real. I love Becky and yeah she's the most over star but she doesn't move the needle. Nobody's moving the needle right now. They gotta do something because this whole format of how they do things doesn't work. Again in case yall think it's a shot at Becky it's not, she just doesn't do numbers. It is what it is. The main roster needs a rebrand. Exactly, her act is hot and deservedly so but let's face it on the roster is going to move the needle by themselves. Probably explains their obsession with bringing back Attitude era stars and why when Cena is available he goes to both shows as a "free agent." Instead of changing up their usual format and bend to the fans will, they try to put a band aid on the product. Yeah I love Becky and all but there's a reason why Alvarez had an entire rant of Becky not moving the needle for ratings. She's popular and all but that's not doing it right now. We need a complete and total format change that impacts everyone and everything rather than just seeing one popular person and then seeing if they're the end all be all for ratings.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 6, 2019 16:51:03 GMT -5
Over in the TNA board a common post I see is that TNA is decent enough right now quality and show wise. But nobody is willing to give them a shot so ain't anybody giving them a chance and actually watching.
We're at a point with WWE where we need to start looking that this might be the same thing, just on a larger scale of viewers. It has its core base, but that core base is a fraction of what it used to be and no new fans are joining in.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 6, 2019 16:54:11 GMT -5
besides the show.itself.not being a draw , no becky announced,nothing happening on the shows itself, Bryan is not supposed to be a heel , people wanted to have him as a loveable face. The show is simply badly written and a second thought. I miss Sd getting a 2.9 rating. Which also had Becky as the face of the woman division
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 16:55:55 GMT -5
This is what WWE built and conditioned their audience for
This is no longer a star driven company but about the brand and the brand is ass
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Post by Tenshigure on Feb 6, 2019 16:59:33 GMT -5
Said it in the Raw thread, and I'll repeat it here for those in the back: stop blaming the talent for the company's inability to hold the interest of the general populace.
Every single decision they have made in the last year has been in direct contradiction to what the audience has reacted to in a positive way: splitting teams, turning fan favorites heel, leaving legitimate compelling storylines behind because it doesn't generate a million views on YouTube.
No person on this roster is going to overcome the shitty booking and management decisions being made. You could have CM Punk show up on TV next week and it'd still barely register an uptick for more than a week or two.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 16:59:39 GMT -5
Over in the TNA board a common post I see is that TNA is decent enough right now quality and show wise. But nobody is willing to give them a shot so ain't anybody giving them a chance and actually watching. We're at a point with WWE where we need to start looking that this might be the same thing, just on a larger scale of viewers. It has its core base, but that core base is a fraction of what it used to be and no new fans are joining in. Yeah I agree with this. WWE right now feels like an old car you have that keeps having problems but you just take it to the shop every once in a while and get it patched up. The truth is that you need a brand new car, you need to start from scratch but you keep holding off on it and the longer it goes on the worse your car gets.
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Post by MrElijah on Feb 6, 2019 17:06:22 GMT -5
This is what WWE built and conditioned their audience for This is no longer a star driven company but about the brand and the brand is ass Yep. Look at NJPW right now: Okada is the new Ace and is treated as such. He feels like a star. He (& others) feel important, so NJPW feels important and NJPW makes it's money.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 6, 2019 17:07:20 GMT -5
Is there a single person who actually moves the needle nowadays ?
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Post by Perd on Feb 6, 2019 17:18:15 GMT -5
No one moves the needle. And that’s by design. WWE wants the brand to be the draw. And, honestly, they haven’t done a bad job of that. Things like the TV deals show that. And their major shows are sought after by major cities. I knock them a lot. But when it comes to establishing their brand, they’ve done a good job. It doesn’t make for good TV, bu what can ya do besides change the channel?
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Post by fw91 on Feb 6, 2019 17:19:39 GMT -5
Is there a single person who actually moves the needle nowadays ? not since the wellness policy came into being.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 6, 2019 17:27:18 GMT -5
Despite redundancy being the biggest problem another problem is so people like a wrestler, Becky Lynch for example. So we beats Ronda and is champion. We’ve learned by this point she’ll eventually drop it rather unceremoniously and then feudnfor three months with whoever beat her for it. Get pushed into the idcars for a while and then eventually back into the title picture.
This will play out over six months to a year and the character she is right now will be the same. The people she fought will all be the same and were watching the same progra we’ve been watching for years.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Feb 6, 2019 17:38:20 GMT -5
I mean, beyond no one moving the needle and the entire product in general being a bit shit rn, I can almost guarantee that Smackdown being an absolute trashfire from 2017 - mid 2018 did a good job at scaring folks off too.
Like I know Smackdown's improved now, but the idea of watching it after that stretch still triggers my fight or flight response tbh.
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