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Post by Dub H on Feb 6, 2019 17:50:56 GMT -5
I mean, beyond no one moving the needle and the entire product in general being a bit shit rn, I can almost guarantee that Smackdown being an absolute trashfire from 2017 - mid 2018 did a good job at scaring folks off too. Like I know Smackdown's improved now, but the idea of watching it after that stretch still triggers my fight or flight response tbh. They need to do what they did in 2016. Launch in the new network with an absolutely different delivery and idea,because people will be interested in the changes a new network brings.And NOT resort back to the same old as they did. |
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 6, 2019 18:16:50 GMT -5
This is a scary low number, especially during the time leading into WM. As far as SD goes I think the biggest issue is this Daniel Bryan stuff. It's bombing something fierce. I think they need to get the belt off him at the next PPV and build to something else for WM, because right now his title run is chasing off viewers in a way that not even Jinder did in 2017. Having a guy rant at the audience about environmentalism and vegetarianism doesn't really draw heel heat since he has a decent point in there. I think it's making people legit annoyed to where they stop tuning in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 18:32:13 GMT -5
Is there a single person who actually moves the needle nowadays ? Nope. I don't even think 1998 Steve Austin would do much for today's WWE. |
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Post by thirteen3 on Feb 6, 2019 18:32:35 GMT -5
The Polar Vortex froze the TV broadcast waves!
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Post by markymark on Feb 6, 2019 18:39:13 GMT -5
Maybe do something with Asuka? and give Bryan a proper feud, it would help if Bryans opponent isnt boring.
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Post by blscks on Feb 6, 2019 18:39:27 GMT -5
The New Daniel Bryan is a channel changer?? Glad to know I'm not alone.
I'm not going to blame Becky, since the SD women's division is dead
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 6, 2019 18:45:53 GMT -5
I’ve never been in the habit of watching Smackdown, so I rarely watch it but almost all the guys I like are there.
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Post by markymark on Feb 6, 2019 18:49:36 GMT -5
SD Live - January 30th, 2018 (vs. State of the Union address):2.509 million viewers
SD Live - February 6th, 2018: 2.505 million viewers
SD Live - February 5th, 2019 (vs. State of the Union address): 1.841 million viewers
Gotta do something soon(or they will wait unti Elimination Chamber?).
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 6, 2019 23:46:06 GMT -5
This is a scary low number, especially during the time leading into WM. As far as SD goes I think the biggest issue is this Daniel Bryan stuff. It's bombing something fierce. I think they need to get the belt off him at the next PPV and build to something else for WM, because right now his title run is chasing off viewers in a way that not even Jinder did in 2017. Having a guy rant at the audience about environmentalism and vegetarianism doesn't really draw heel heat since he has a decent point in there. I think it's making people legit annoyed to where they stop tuning in. Nice anecdote but it doesn’t seem the facts back up your theory. The 3 weeks before Bryan turned heel scored viewership of 2.09, 2.11, 2.10 million people. Prior to this week’s Smackdown (going against the State of the Union address), the previous 3 weeks scored 2.14, 2.14, 2.14. |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 7, 2019 0:44:55 GMT -5
Is there a single person who actually moves the needle nowadays ? Nope. I don't even think 1998 Steve Austin would do much for today's WWE. Yep. It's gotta be a complete overhaul. Nobody's going to move the needle, until WWE stops doing the same crap over and over, and stops telling fans "You don't want this guy, you want him instead." It won't change overnight, but an overhaul is needed. Stop doing matches between two guys for the sake of doing matches, build storylines, and build characters. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 0:55:20 GMT -5
Is there a single person who actually moves the needle nowadays ? Nope. I don't even think 1998 Steve Austin would do much for today's WWE. Yep. You're right. The WWE has succeeded in making the entire corporation of WWE the star rather than the "superstars" which is ironic given they're called "superstars." When the brands aren't pulling people in then you changing your stars, giving them pushes, that won't mean as much without changing the brand itself. That's what happens so the only way to fix this is to rebuild from the ground up. This is a huge problem they have and honestly maybe AEW will be here purely so they can do that because without them who knows what'll force them to change and adapt. |
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 7, 2019 5:27:05 GMT -5
Lightning struck the transmitter?
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 7, 2019 8:01:22 GMT -5
And even if there was someone to "move the needle", don't forget that can take time; Steve Austin was a rising star through almost all of 1997, but during that year Raw got some God awful ratings and got trashed by Nitro. It took time and care to tell his story completely and bring fans around.
Today they're caught between being super complacent and boring, and yet also being impatient and too quick to change things that could work over the long haul (breaking up teams, random heel/face turns, etc.)
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Post by MAGGLE on Feb 7, 2019 8:01:53 GMT -5
I am going to be honest, watching TV with constant commercials for longer then 30minutes just isnt a possibility for me anymore. It is an ancient model that needs to just die.
Put the biggest stars ever on that show. The rating wont be much higher.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 7, 2019 10:18:50 GMT -5
I am going to be honest, watching TV with constant commercials for longer then 30minutes just isnt a possibility for me anymore. It is an ancient model that needs to just die. Put the biggest stars ever on that show. The rating wont be much higher. DVR the show and fast forward commercials/recaps. The 3 hour show is done in 2. |
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Post by MAGGLE on Feb 7, 2019 12:01:39 GMT -5
I am going to be honest, watching TV with constant commercials for longer then 30minutes just isnt a possibility for me anymore. It is an ancient model that needs to just die. Put the biggest stars ever on that show. The rating wont be much higher. DVR the show and fast forward commercials/recaps. The 3 hour show is done in 2. I never owned a DVR in my life. But bringing up that solution makes you more qualified to work at Stamford then Vince. The right answer is put it on the network, but you lose those sweet distrubution deals from 80year old tv network owners. |
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Post by Tenshigure on Feb 7, 2019 12:33:59 GMT -5
I am going to be honest, watching TV with constant commercials for longer then 30minutes just isnt a possibility for me anymore. It is an ancient model that needs to just die. Put the biggest stars ever on that show. The rating wont be much higher. DVR the show and fast forward commercials/recaps. The 3 hour show is done in 2. Watch the clips uploaded to the WWE YouTube page at 1.5 speed. 3-hour show is done in 20 minutes. |
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Post by corndog on Feb 7, 2019 12:46:29 GMT -5
And even if there was someone to "move the needle", don't forget that can take time; Steve Austin was a rising star through almost all of 1997, but during that year Raw got some God awful ratings and got trashed by Nitro. It took time and care to tell his story completely and bring fans around. Today they're caught between being super complacent and boring, and yet also being impatient and too quick to change things that could work over the long haul (breaking up teams, random heel/face turns, etc.) This is the biggest issue, actually see things through and be patient. Obviously the shows need an overhaul, as they have the same look and format for over a decade. But pick someone to build the show around, then build up all of the divisions underneath to make them meaningful for at least a year. Don't just decide, we are going to make the tag division strong this month and then abandon it next week. Building a wrestling program takes patience and it's clear Vince has no patience anymore, time for him to move on. |
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 7, 2019 13:18:25 GMT -5
DVR the show and fast forward commercials/recaps. The 3 hour show is done in 2. Watch the clips uploaded to the WWE YouTube page at 1.5 speed. 3-hour show is done in 20 minutes. Not as enjoyable. |
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 7, 2019 13:57:18 GMT -5
Again, the talent isn't to blame. Like I said in the Raw thread, the rosters are loaded with talent in a way we haven't seen in a generation. The problem is the brand has become the draw. And the brand is stale.
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