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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 7, 2019 11:10:57 GMT -5
I give you the Roldán family, damn carnies. You have a great buzz, great matches and an utterly insane yet fun story. But of course the carny bullshit has to be pulled. Goddamnit. That’s rasslin for you. It doesn’t matter how they dress it, it’s nothing but a carny side show.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 7, 2019 13:54:08 GMT -5
Even TNA on its worst days paid their talent more than that per year. I remember Jesse Neal saying the payment in old TNA was so bad that he applied for foodstamps.
Pretty sure one of the knockout champs (Taylor Wilde?) had a side gig at Sunglass Hut.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Feb 7, 2019 15:54:30 GMT -5
Looks like some have known about this for quite a while. Damn just over 4 years ago. People have been locked into these and unable to work other promotions from the get go for peanuts. Joey Ryan mentioned how he signed for 7 seasons... I don't think he knew at the time that it would take 20 years for them to film 7 seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 16:09:39 GMT -5
Season 1of Lucha Underground is one of my favorite arcs and programs in wrestling history, but LU’s business dealings are super scummy and somewhere along the way they turned into Wrestle Society X with a better gimmick.
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Post by Rave on Feb 7, 2019 18:57:11 GMT -5
I remember Jesse Neal saying the payment in old TNA was so bad that he applied for foodstamps.
Pretty sure one of the knockout champs (Taylor Wilde?) had a side gig at Sunglass Hut. Yup. The Bucks worked at a Radio Shack (and IIRC the story one of them has told about not being able to buy a pack of gum at the airport was around that time), ODB and Cookie were both bartenders, and once it was mentioned that someone who was a pretty prominent X-Divisioner at the time (heavily speculated to have been Jay Lethal) worked in the automotive department at a Sears.
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 7, 2019 20:26:40 GMT -5
Pretty sure one of the knockout champs (Taylor Wilde?) had a side gig at Sunglass Hut. Yup. The Bucks worked at a Radio Shack (and IIRC the story one of them has told about not being able to buy a pack of gum at the airport was around that time), ODB and Cookie were both bartenders, and once it was mentioned that someone who was a pretty prominent X-Divisioner at the time (heavily speculated to have been Jay Lethal) worked in the automotive department at a Sears. Wait...the Bucks used to work at a Radio Shack, Lethal worked at a Sears... Maybe Cornette was right, maybe all these indy guys are killing the business...just not the wrestling business.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 7, 2019 21:04:55 GMT -5
based on recent developments I'm guessing the Roldans are less to blame than people think
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Post by Malibu Albino on Feb 7, 2019 23:37:55 GMT -5
Agreeing to share talent with a promising new company doesn't really make you less scummy. Dorian has a history of being shitty with departing talent, ask Pentagon and Fenix.
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Post by evilone on Feb 8, 2019 11:42:29 GMT -5
Do these people have lawyers when they are about to sign contracts or desperation kicks in like better something than nothing.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 8, 2019 13:10:50 GMT -5
Do these people have lawyers when they are about to sign contracts or desperation kicks in like better something than nothing. If a guy is signing a contract where’s he’s making $4K or less per year, he’s not having a lawyer review that contract for $300/ hour.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 13:50:16 GMT -5
Do these people have lawyers when they are about to sign contracts or desperation kicks in like better something than nothing. If a guy is signing a contract where’s he’s making $4K or less per year, he’s not having a lawyer review that contract for $300/ hour. This goes hand in hand with what has been said about alot of wrestlers in that they never bother to read any contracts they sign...they simply see money and that is that especially when it comes to WWE....this was why Brock was locked into that supposed 10yr contract where he could not do any sort of combat sport for 10yrs or something obsurd upon leaving WWE the first time. But what I think is getting lost in this whole ordeal is them comparing a wrestling contract to a TV contract because he is comparing what a wrestler makes annulary in a base salary to a TV contract which is per episode...so perhaps what they meant was %4000 per episode which is still on the lower end to what new TV stars earn...which is more in the 15 to 20k per episode.....to compare Stephen Amell when he started on Arrow earned 30k per episode. 4000 for a season sounds like complete B.S because idk any wrestler that would sign that unless there were incentives like quadrupling ones pay through syndications which they have after their 100th episode and things like lifetime residuals through whatever then I guess the $4000 a season makes more sense.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 8, 2019 14:57:49 GMT -5
If a guy is signing a contract where’s he’s making $4K or less per year, he’s not having a lawyer review that contract for $300/ hour. This goes hand in hand with what has been said about alot of wrestlers in that they never bother to read any contracts they sign...they simply see money and that is that especially when it comes to WWE....this was why Brock was locked into that supposed 10yr contract where he could not do any sort of combat sport for 10yrs or something obsurd upon leaving WWE the first time. But what I think is getting lost in this whole ordeal is them comparing a wrestling contract to a TV contract because he is comparing what a wrestler makes annulary in a base salary to a TV contract which is per episode...so perhaps what they meant was %4000 per episode which is still on the lower end to what new TV stars earn...which is more in the 15 to 20k per episode.....to compare Stephen Amell when he started on Arrow earned 30k per episode. 4000 for a season sounds like complete B.S because idk any wrestler that would sign that unless there were incentives like quadrupling ones pay through syndications which they have after their 100th episode and things like lifetime residuals through whatever then I guess the $4000 a season makes more sense. They said most make “less than $1,000 per episode.”
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Feb 8, 2019 16:28:08 GMT -5
I would imagine that anyone that agreed to $4000 a season didn't expect seasons to take 2 or 3 years to make air. It's a pretty shit situation all around but I feel for the wrestlers who saw their exposure blow up and then got deadlocked in contract hell.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 8, 2019 16:35:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think a lot of the talent minded for signing for something that worked out to close for $4,000 for a "season" because, to them, it was a few days of work; in pro wrestling, that type of money for a long weekend wrestling in LA isn't too shabby. I'm also sure that the regular wrestlers in featured roles get paid better than that; hell, word was that before he left, Ricochet got an offer that worked out to around $100,000 just from MGM to stick around as Prince Puma, so it wouldn't even factor what he'd make continuing to work dates for other promotions like New Japan.
What screws the whole thing up is if you're suddenly trapped and prevented from earning money from better paying promotions that will allow you to work more regularly, and you're lower on the totem pole than the higher card talent. Suddenly you're locked into a company with an inconsistent shooting schedule while still being told you're being restricted on where else you can work.
Now, obviously talent like Pentagon, Fenix, Cage, Mundo, and Taya have been able to work elsewhere of late, likely a result of the contract restructuring that occurred after Ricochet made his grievances public. The current problem appears to be for a lot of the other talent, who for some reason have deals that are structured differently and won't give them the same freedom.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Feb 8, 2019 16:36:48 GMT -5
Regarding the pay, I wouldn't be surprised if Cuerno got a particularly raw deal over missing all of Season 3 except for a run-in on the final episode, with the whole thing taking over a year to air. Same situation as Angelico, where the shooting schedule is so compressed and the air dates so drawn out that a minor injury can mean missing a huge amount of episodes... while still being locked out of working other US TV.
And that coming shortly after he was reportedly up for the WWE cruiserweight challenge and had to turn it down due to the LU contract, he's got every right to be fed up with this situation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 16:48:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think a lot of the talent minded for signing for something that worked out to close for $4,000 for a "season" because, to them, it was a few days of work; in pro wrestling, that type of money for a long weekend wrestling in LA isn't too shabby. I'm also sure that the regular wrestlers in featured roles get paid better than that; hell, word was that before he left, Ricochet got an offer that worked out to around $100,000 just from MGM to stick around as Prince Puma, so it wouldn't even factor what he'd make continuing to work dates for other promotions like New Japan. What screws the whole thing up is if you're suddenly trapped and prevented from earning money from better paying promotions that will allow you to work more regularly, and you're lower on the totem pole than the higher card talent. Suddenly you're locked into a company with an inconsistent shooting schedule while still being told you're being restricted on where else you can work. Now, obviously talent like Pentagon, Fenix, Cage, Mundo, and Taya have been able to work elsewhere of late, likely a result of the contract restructuring that occurred after Ricochet made his grievances public. The current problem appears to be for a lot of the other talent, who for some reason have deals that are structured differently and won't give them the same freedom.This is where the most confusion lies Because right now all anyone can do is assume but here is my theory about this. Rey Mysterio when he was signed did not sign some ordinary contract he signed with El Rey directly they handled his contract so what might be going on is that there are tiers of contracts. Pentagon , Fenix , Cage , Mundo ,Taya might have their deals with MGM Others like the ones suing LLC/Dorian might have their deals handled by him This to me seems the only way it seems to make sense because there is going back to Rey presendence of signing to LU but have a contract with not the company directly but with someone else with involvement with the company.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 8, 2019 22:04:00 GMT -5
If that's the case there's a chance it's something like what TNA used to do: the pay per appearance guys and some of the full-timers were paid directly by TNA, but a few of the big ticket guys (namely Angle and Sting) were getting paid by Spike TV, instead. It's possible that LU has a similar structure, but for a show that doesn't do weekly/bi-weekly tapings it's a bit strange.
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Post by Woo on Feb 12, 2019 9:49:07 GMT -5
This show lost all of its good will from me after the dreadful season 4. They need to let people work elsewhere as long as they are available for LU dates.
This company is run by idiots.
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