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Post by Perd on Feb 9, 2019 15:18:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I could see Vince being pissed about this. Haven’t we heard that Vince misses the cut throat nature of past locker rooms? He probably views it as he’s giving this guy the keys to the kingdom, but he won’t do what it takes (in Vince’s mind) because he doesn’t want to hurt his friend’s feelings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 15:20:39 GMT -5
Two things after hearing this interview. First thing, I'm so glad to see everyone love and respect Kofi. He's done so much and it seems like he's one of the most likeable great guys in the locker room.
And the second thing, one of the reasons Rollins is in the position he's in is because he's really assertive with telling them what he wants regardless of the reaction. Rollins's opinion of Ambrose was the reason Ambrose was called into FCW after Mercury asked him about what he thought of Ambrose. Rollins told Triple H that he wanted to be the first NXT Champion in his face, he said he wanted the ball and he got it. Rollins said that he was the guy who created the idea to cash in the MITB contract at WM and he kept bringing it up until the weekend of the event to where they decided to use it. Rollins has really been on them a lot about what he wants, what he'd do to achieve that and he's been constantly stepping up to the plate. They like him a lot but beyond that the guy's not one to just sit back and let things go by.
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Feb 9, 2019 17:35:20 GMT -5
Vince is the boss, you do what he says no matter if you agree with it or not. No different than any other "regular" job. I've been on both sides, I've done some stuff for a boss than I thought was dumb or the wrong way to go about it but I did it. Now that I have people who work under me, I'm sure they didn't agree with how I wanted them to do something.
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Post by Shai on Feb 9, 2019 18:35:27 GMT -5
Working for Vince sounds like a nightmare. It really does
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 9, 2019 18:42:30 GMT -5
I see where Vince is coming from
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Feb 9, 2019 19:12:21 GMT -5
So, they were told to do one thing, did another and then got chewed out for it. Seems par for the course for any line of work.
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Post by segaz on Feb 10, 2019 4:24:52 GMT -5
So, they were told to do one thing, did another and then got chewed out for it. Seems par for the course for any line of work. Probably the most scary thing is seeing people post things like this. As if Vince is a dictator with 100% control and if he said strip naked on times square, you better do it bub! This ultimate "well do whatever the boss says, never argue or deviate because he's the boss" attitude is why we have the WWE bubble today. You can't blame no one for standing up to Vince if you're gonna slate anyone who tries to innovate against him. This wasn't extreme, Seth didn't hit a little person when everyone told him not to. There are plenty of times of wrestlers going against Vince and it working out, so let's not pretend that it's automatically wrong solely for the fact it wasn't what Vince wanted. Vince is allowed to dictate his products direction yes, but part of being a boss isn't exercising complete dictatorship. I understand some people here think "Vince is the boss. If he wants an incest angle with his daughter, then that's fine, you don't say no to the boss, never, go work for someone else if you're not gonna do whatever I say, whenever I say it. This is my company and I've earned the right to do what i want" Of course you can't have the inmates running the asylum, you have to have the scales tipped in favour of the boss. That makes sense. But why not talk with Seth afterwards and explain things to him? Let the match lie as it is, come to a compromise, maybe squash Kofi next time, write it into the story... But this seems to prove why wrestlers thinking for themselves is not really the good thing to do. Once in a blue moon, sure it's fine but most of the time....
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 10, 2019 5:15:28 GMT -5
That is interesting. It’s a business and you gotta get yourself over but you don’t want to make your friend look bad. I see both sides of the coin Pretty much. It's the danger of any kind of ad-libbing. You as a performer, you know you can do this thing that surely will benefit both guys. That's the obvious part. Then you, as a director, tell someone to do something and they go offscript without permission. You'd know the New Day is going to be a thing (even if it initially was this ambiguous heel thing, then weird faces, then heels that'd obviously explode into popularity down the line), but you don't tell Seth that because, well, why the f*** should you have to? Your instructions weren't ambiguous, and you don't have the time in the day to pull each and every guy aside and tell them "here's what I need, and why I need it". That's something I can also understand. Actually, I am just kinda surprised this is the only time Vince yelled at Seth. If I had a main eventer working for me, and his dick pics come out because he's boning a possible neo-Nazi, I'd have some choice words, most of which would be four letters.
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Post by Prince Petty on Feb 10, 2019 6:09:42 GMT -5
Actually, I am just kinda surprised this is the only time Vince yelled at Seth. If I had a main eventer working for me, and his dick pics come out because he's boning a possible neo-Nazi, I'd have some choice words, most of which would be four letters. Some of Seth's humblebrags on the E&C podcast would suggest that Vince does like him a lot, and gives him a lot of input. He apparently came up with the idea of cashing in his MITB contract at Wrestlemania himself, and then practically said he booked himself to win the IC title because he "wanted to work with Miz and Finn".
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 10, 2019 13:04:06 GMT -5
I read this yesterday on SquaredCircle, and I had a visceral reaction to this line: “'If you're gonna be my guy, you're gonna be my guy, that's not what I want!', I literally recoiled and just went “Nope, nope, Nope, nope, nope, nope, NOPE”. And hey kudos to Seth. It’s his livelihood and his passion but f*** that noise man. People throw around the word “toxic” these days, that straight up sounds toxic. And some advocated for Vince saying “he’s the director, he told Seth to go about it a certain way. Seth went against it”. Ok. Alright I get that. I’ve been an actor and a director and I’ve gone against my director and I’ve had actors go against direction I’ve given. Regardless if I turned out right or wrong or they did or didn’t, in what rationale world would a director have responded like Vince did?! It’s just...insane. And I know I’m not stating any shocking news that’s vince has lost his mind, I guess I just empathized with Seth reading that and I would of NOPE’d the f*** out of there. I get Vince is a vestigial form of a man, and he’s old school, and I even admit I admire some of his more controversial characteristics but that’s just scary unsettling ish that doesn’t fly in most creative arenas these days. I’m not sure what about this story was “scary.” Rollins did something Vince didn’t want him to. He yelled at him and made him re-do it. The end.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Feb 10, 2019 13:20:31 GMT -5
Ya gotta do what the boss says at any job.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Feb 10, 2019 13:22:30 GMT -5
No roster member should be absolutely squashed. Bring in local enhancement talent for that. This. It worked for Braun and yes, Ryback. Surprised he was never yelled at for his many, um, accidents?
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Post by bmfjules on Feb 10, 2019 13:32:33 GMT -5
Jake Roberts tells a similar story from when he first debuted with the WWE, and he said he wanted to give the job guys a little bit of a shine during those early sqaush matches and Vince pulled him aside and reminded him they are here for you, not the other way around.
I can't really be mad at Vince here. No disrespect to Kofi, but when you are strapping a rocket to someone, a few guys are gonna have to get burned up in the ascent.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 10, 2019 13:35:10 GMT -5
Hey Vince, remember when you used to hire jobbers whose sole purpose it was to lose matches without getting any offence in to make another wrestler look awesome?
That worked.
Learn from your own company, dipshit!
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Feb 10, 2019 13:36:25 GMT -5
There's a difference, to me, between 'going over', which means winning the match, and 'going over', which means getting most or all of the offense in during a match.
Yes, Vince is the boss, and ultimately Rollins has to do what his boss says. And had to, in this particular case, given that Rollins and Kofi re-did the match.
However, from the fans' perspective, in a quasi-kayfabe-shoot kind of way, we know that Kofi is a multi-time IC and tag team champion. He is a highly competitive wrestler given his acrobatic feats in MITB and the Royal Rumble.
And while Rollins in 2014 was definitely no slouch either, in what world would it make sense that Kofi couldn't get in any reasonable offense against Rollins in a three-minute match?
If anything, by allowing Kofi a modicum of offense, Rollins makes Kofi look legitimate, whereas Rollins makes Kofi look less legitimate by outright squashing him.
Now in wrestling, on any given night even the best of the best could be under-prepared or blindsided by an opponent. Maybe Rollins was the better wrestler that night, in terms of kayfabe.
However, if Rollins squashes a guy who doesn't mean much at the time, when he used to mean a lot more years gone by, and who will become a bigger deal again in the future, does Rollins squashing Kofi hurt the prospects of a Rollins/Kofi feud in the future?
Of course, WWE can't be beholden to booking around 'what if' future scenarios. Still, it's not like 2014 Kofi was inexperienced, over the hill, under-sized, and under-skilled to face 2014 Rollins. I think Vince, despite being the boss, made the wrong call this night.
But since the TV matches themselves really haven't mattered in an era when WWE pumps out 5 hours of TV per week, it's not like Rollins was really helped, nor Kofi really hurt, by this dumb booking moment.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 10, 2019 14:11:36 GMT -5
Not saying either side is right but it’s bizarre to me we hear that this one was an issue when you could make a list of debuts and character changes where the debutee/changer took 80% of the offense to the person they should really be squashing like Carmella/Asuka and Ziggler/Nakamura.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 10, 2019 14:21:28 GMT -5
Vince is such a bitch.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 10, 2019 15:03:11 GMT -5
"'If you're gonna be my guy, you're gonna be my guy, that's not what I want!'"
So... Vince views it as a personal attack on his own pride when a wrestler he supports shows any degree of humility.
Jesus christ, what a f***ed-up dude.
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Feb 10, 2019 16:45:58 GMT -5
I know we're all "Vince is so f***ing incompetent" on here but what exactly is wrong with this? He booked a match one way, Rollins decided not to do it that way and got told to do it again. I'm not sure what exactly the huge issue is. Is it because it was Kofi, who I and pretty much everyone is a fan of? I mean, good on Rollins for not wanting to completely squash a friend/peer but still.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 10, 2019 16:59:35 GMT -5
Its okay for stars to squash other stars sometimes.
Kofi at the time was pretty much Virgil. He was reasonably popular and did stuff but he was a jobber to the stars.
There’s nothing worse than when WWE says they’re going all the way with a push and then stall it out by having a guy go 50/50 with someone that doesn’t matter.
Nakamura vs Dolph hurt Shinsuke’s start massively.
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