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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 17, 2019 7:12:12 GMT -5
Image link doesn't work, what was it? Oh, its someone on instagram asking her if she paid face value on her ringside ticket for Elimination Chamber, to which she responded "I get everything handed to me."
Gotta hand it to her, it's a good reply.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 8:01:19 GMT -5
So with Becky "suspended" I think it might be time for the return of a legendary superstar... {Spoiler}
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 17, 2019 13:14:59 GMT -5
Who the f*** asked for Charlotte in this match? Where's that raised hand emoji? I wanted Charlotte in there for match quality purposes. Now we have a match where the best of the women's division is all in there. The most over vs the best wrestler vs the mainstream star.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 13:34:24 GMT -5
I don't care, it doesn't matter that they're pulling an angle here, the end result is Charlotte "Ric Flair's daughter" Flair (did you know her dad is Ric Flair?) is being shoehorned into more bullshit to pad her resume. Becky is the most over person in the company right now specifically because fans wanted Charlotte to go away. Not "oh we booked a little something to get Becky popular", it was "we are literally rejecting this heel turn because we are sick of your endless push". And how do they learn from it? Best case scenario is a triple threat she has literally no business being in. Becky and Ronda turned the stupid Survivor Series feuding into something so amazing people want it to main event Mania. Becky is so popular she managed to make Nia Jax interesting for all of 3 weeks. Who the f*** asked for Charlotte in this match? I don't believe that to be true at all. I think the initial resistance to Charlotte was that fans didn't want her slotted as a face against Becky as a heel, and once they sorted that whole deal out her heat seems to be a lot more productive as opposed to "this shit sucks" heat. Obviously there are people who see things your way, but as far as live shows go it doesn't feel like they're as irritated by these developments as some are online. They got a ways to go yet but so far it feels like most people are still along for the ride.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 14:02:55 GMT -5
I don't care, it doesn't matter that they're pulling an angle here, the end result is Charlotte "Ric Flair's daughter" Flair (did you know her dad is Ric Flair?) is being shoehorned into more bullshit to pad her resume. Becky is the most over person in the company right now specifically because fans wanted Charlotte to go away. Not "oh we booked a little something to get Becky popular", it was "we are literally rejecting this heel turn because we are sick of your endless push". And how do they learn from it? Best case scenario is a triple threat she has literally no business being in. Becky and Ronda turned the stupid Survivor Series feuding into something so amazing people want it to main event Mania. Becky is so popular she managed to make Nia Jax interesting for all of 3 weeks. Besides that this Becky/Ronda thing's been so one-sided, nah I don't want my WM feuds like that. Who the f*** asked for Charlotte in this match? I asked for Charlotte in this match. Charlotte's been too much of a player this past year, been too intertwined in Becky and Ronda's stories and is too great for me to not want her in the match. Besides that she'll have more positives than negatives I'd say so yeah, it makes more sense to me.
You're also wrong on some other things. Becky isn't the most over person in this company because people want Charlotte to go away, she's the most over person in this company because she was already popular and she tapped into her inner self. Even when Charlotte was on Raw and Becky was on SDL Becky was getting chants for her in the middle of promos. When Charlotte was battling Nia Jax on Raw Becky was still getting crazy cheers against the Alexas on SDL. Becky's been popular for years, people just didn't suddenly pick up on it, she just became more popular.
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Post by Schizo on Feb 17, 2019 14:18:15 GMT -5
I don’t really see how calling out someone who pretty much insulted two of your co workers who might’ve been friends. Unless I misinterpreted it. It’s a generic negative comment about two superstars. It wasn’t anything insanely personal, sexist, racist, overly sexualized, etc, etc. The person isn’t a fan of them and said one was worse than the other. Ok? So is she actually encouraging fans to cheer favorites and boo the ones they don’t? Entertainment/art is subjective and people don’t have to like everything, hence the idea of having favorites and ones you don’t like. She is making it some personal issue, when nothing like that is in that comment. Like I said previously, if their is more backstory to that comment ok. But using that comment on it’s own as some instance of “Look I’m OWNING TROLLZ” is stupid. Put it this way, if you saw or heard a stranger insult a friend of yours or someone you're really close with, your going to have your friends back and call out that person. Same thing Charolette was doing. I don't see how she's wrong here
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 14:23:46 GMT -5
I don't care, it doesn't matter that they're pulling an angle here, the end result is Charlotte "Ric Flair's daughter" Flair (did you know her dad is Ric Flair?) is being shoehorned into more bullshit to pad her resume. Becky is the most over person in the company right now specifically because fans wanted Charlotte to go away. Not "oh we booked a little something to get Becky popular", it was "we are literally rejecting this heel turn because we are sick of your endless push". And how do they learn from it? Best case scenario is a triple threat she has literally no business being in. Becky and Ronda turned the stupid Survivor Series feuding into something so amazing people want it to main event Mania. Becky is so popular she managed to make Nia Jax interesting for all of 3 weeks. Who the f*** asked for Charlotte in this match? So, even if Becky wins at Mania, it won’t matter? Even if she main events and gets her moment? All because someone you personally don’t like is in a match that she’ll likely lose? Charlotte isn’t in this match just because of her last name. She’s worked her butt off and has put on great matches with numerous talents. The latest one being Ronda at SSeries and the triple threat at TLC. The majority only wanted to see Becky get her time in the spotlight. It had nothing to do with wanting to see Charlotte leave and everything to do with wanting to see Charlotte turn and give Becky her big babyface moment, which she’ll finally get at Mania. Whether most want to see it or not, Charlotte has been intertwined in both of these women’s business. It started at SSlam, and would’ve likely ended at the Rumble but due to Becky’s injury, Charlotte was picked to face Ronda. Then, once she realized she couldn’t do it, in comes the “mad queen” persona who’ll do anything it takes to win and to get her spotlight. From there, Ronda cost both women the SD title, which made both of them want to come after her, which led to the rumble, where once again, Charlotte gets thwarted by Becky which sends her over the edge and desperate to get into Mania. IMO Nia as the girl who became too big for her britches and decided to take on the men and wants to be the center of everyone’s focus just because of that punch makes her more interesting than just “3 weeks”. Also, I personally want to see it as I know it’ll be good and the woman will deliver.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 14:25:28 GMT -5
It’s a generic negative comment about two superstars. It wasn’t anything insanely personal, sexist, racist, overly sexualized, etc, etc. The person isn’t a fan of them and said one was worse than the other. Ok? So is she actually encouraging fans to cheer favorites and boo the ones they don’t? Entertainment/art is subjective and people don’t have to like everything, hence the idea of having favorites and ones you don’t like. She is making it some personal issue, when nothing like that is in that comment. Like I said previously, if their is more backstory to that comment ok. But using that comment on it’s own as some instance of “Look I’m OWNING TROLLZ” is stupid. Put it this way, if you saw or heard a stranger insult a friend of yours or someone you're really close with, your going to have your friends back and call out that person. Same thing Charolette was doing. I don't see how she's wrong here Exactly. Charlotte was defending her co workers who likely already get shit for their work rate or their match quality 24/7 by randos on the Internet. Thar type of stuff probably gets to them at some point and Charlotte wanted to defend them. Doesn’t matter if it’s in kayfabe or not. She’s just being a good person for standing up to someone who insulted her co workers.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Feb 17, 2019 15:17:08 GMT -5
I don't care, it doesn't matter that they're pulling an angle here, the end result is Charlotte "Ric Flair's daughter" Flair (did you know her dad is Ric Flair?) is being shoehorned into more bullshit to pad her resume. Becky is the most over person in the company right now specifically because fans wanted Charlotte to go away. Not "oh we booked a little something to get Becky popular", it was "we are literally rejecting this heel turn because we are sick of your endless push". And how do they learn from it? Best case scenario is a triple threat she has literally no business being in. Becky and Ronda turned the stupid Survivor Series feuding into something so amazing people want it to main event Mania. Becky is so popular she managed to make Nia Jax interesting for all of 3 weeks. Who the f*** asked for Charlotte in this match? So, even if Becky wins at Mania, it won’t matter? Even if she main events and gets her moment? All because someone you personally don’t like is in a match that she’ll likely lose? Charlotte isn’t in this match just because of her last name. She’s worked her butt off and has put on great matches with numerous talents. The latest one being Ronda at SSeries and the triple threat at TLC. The majority only wanted to see Becky get her time in the spotlight. It had nothing to do with wanting to see Charlotte leave and everything to do with wanting to see Charlotte turn and give Becky her big babyface moment, which she’ll finally get at Mania. Whether most want to see it or not, Charlotte has been intertwined in both of these women’s business. It started at SSlam, and would’ve likely ended at the Rumble but due to Becky’s injury, Charlotte was picked to face Ronda. Then, once she realized she couldn’t do it, in comes the “mad queen” persona who’ll do anything it takes to win and to get her spotlight. From there, Ronda cost both women the SD title, which made both of them want to come after her, which led to the rumble, where once again, Charlotte gets thwarted by Becky which sends her over the edge and desperate to get into Mania. IMO Nia as the girl who became too big for her britches and decided to take on the men and wants to be the center of everyone’s focus just because of that punch makes her more interesting than just “3 weeks”. Also, I personally want to see it as I know it’ll be good and the woman will deliver. I fail to see what's so hard to comprehend about this perspective. I certainly sympathize with it. If Becky wins, would I be happy? Sure. But would I be happier if Becky's win didn't involve having Charlotte in the match. Yes. Does it not make to want to see WWE pursue the option that would make me happier? Of course it makes sense. I feel like the pro-Charlotte people are focusing on the end result of the Wrestlemania match to get those who are against Charlotte being in the match to get over it. Basically, "she's going to win anyway, so why not Charlotte join in?" I don't want to see Charlotte in the Wrestlemania main even because she has been the focus of women's division for as long as she's been on the main roster (hell, even longer if we count NXT). Has she put in hard work the past few months? Undoubtedly. But does that mean that she deserves to be in the main event of Wrestlemania? I remain unconvinced. For example, CM Punk was probably one of the hardest working people on the roster in 2012-2013, yet he wasn't in the main event of Wrestlemania 29 (even though Punk vs. Cena would have been a better main event than what we actually got). Just because you're the hardest working wrestler of your division doesn't mean you should get the main event nod. And to frame the discussion about hard work actually is a backhanded compliment to Becky, because she's also been working hard, harder maybe, than Charlotte has, but has never received the attention or the accolades for it. Until now, anyway. Additionally, in the case of how frequently Charlotte has been the mainstay of the women's division, I'd be much more excited to see someone who isn't as overexposed in terms of TV and PPV time, let alone at the centre of most booking decisions over the past few years. For the record, I think it's unfair to reduce Charlotte's booking to her last name, because that dismisses her hard work and accomplishments. Nor should she be likened to the women's version of John Cena and Roman Reigns. Charlotte isn't 'another John Cena' or 'the next Roman Reigns'. She's the first 'Charlotte', which is problematic enough--the wrestler on the women's roster who, despite her hard work and quality of matches, I'd still like a break from, at least right now, when The Man is exciting because she, unlike Charlotte, never has had the chance to lock up with Rousey in a one-on-one match. Had the events leading up to Survivor Series played differently, and Lynch actually wrestled Rousey, sure, we'd have something else to talk about. I'd be so much more okay with the triple threat had things worked out at the time. But they didn't, so here I am, on the ride or die run for Lynch vs. Rousey.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 15:38:34 GMT -5
I feel like the pro-Charlotte people are focusing on the end result of the Wrestlemania match to get those who are against Charlotte being in the match to get over it. Basically, "she's going to win anyway, so why not Charlotte join in?"I don't want to see Charlotte in the Wrestlemania main even because she has been the focus of women's division for as long as she's been on the main roster (hell, even longer if we count NXT). Has she put in hard work the past few months? Undoubtedly. But does that mean that she deserves to be in the main event of Wrestlemania? I remain unconvinced. For example, CM Punk was probably one of the hardest working people on the roster in 2012-2013, yet he wasn't in the main event of Wrestlemania 29 (even though Punk vs. Cena would have been a better main event than what we actually got). Additionally, in the case of how frequently Charlotte has been the mainstay of the women's division, I'd be much more excited to see someone who isn't as overexposed in terms of TV and PPV time, let alone at the centre of most booking decisions over the past few years. For the record, think it's unfair to reduce Charlotte's booking to her last name, because that dismisses her hard work and accomplishments. Nor should she be likened to the women's version of John Cena and Roman Reigns. Charlotte isn't 'another John Cena' or 'the next Roman Reigns'. She's the first 'Charlotte', which is problematic enough--the wrestler on the women's roster who, despite her hard work and quality of matches, I'd still like a break from, at least right now, when The Man is exciting because she, unlike Charlotte, never has had the chance to lock up with Rousey in a one-on-one match. Had the events leading up to Survivor Series played differently, and Lynch actually wrestled Rousey, sure, we'd have something else to talk about. I'd be so much more okay with the triple threat had things worked out at the time. But they didn't, so here I am, on the ride or die run for Lynch vs. Rousey. I don't think any of the pro-triple threat posters care about people trying to "get over it" nor do we care if you like it or not. We know it's going to happen, it is what it is and we're content with this. I just think that people aren't respecting our povs and when we explain why we want it and why it makes sense you get others saying "it doesn't make sense", "this Becky/Ronda match is what everyone wanted" "this is going to backfire" and "Charlotte is shoehorned in here again" when all of those things are false, even the last one because when you break it down we get clarity. People just don't want to say "well ok it makes sense and it won't be horrible but I just don't want that" and let things be as is. If people just said that? Everyone would be good but wrestling fans (a lot of fans of multiple mediums) have this thing where if you go against what some people want they think you're out to get them.
Shit's lame.
Yeah, Charlotte has been a mainstay in the women's divisions since the NXT days but that's one of the reasons why we want her in the main event. This is Becky's story reaching it's peak, a story where she takes over the entire division and she becomes The One. Charlotte herself has been The One for years so it makes sense that the torch needs to be passed and why not do it on the grandest stage possible rather than some random B level ppv? Becky as a character not only deserves more than that but her history with Charlotte extends far beyond some regular ppv. I'd go on and say that Becky's history with Charlotte is not only more important than Ronda's story but it's actually been the entire backbone of Becky's entire main roster character from introduction to now (which she only turned heel due to Charlotte). You're focusing on the fact that Charlotte's been in that position before, you're focusing on the fact that you want Becky to rise to that position and have a one on one with Ronda but what we're doing however is understanding that given Becky's main roster career has been Charlotte focused you have to put a bow on it, pass the torch and end it in the best way and it makes sense that it's at Wrestlemania. It's bigger than Becky getting a one on one, it's Becky's entire character. Vanquishing the enemy at the biggest stage while also getting the title and beating Ronda. That's how we're seeing it, it's like a tv show season. If this is the end of the Becky/Charlotte saga then you need to end it right rather than having it end on episode 4 in a 13 episode season, you end it on that 13th episode.
The Punk comparison doesn't work because Rock/Cena were already doing their thing before Punk became the guy he was from 2011-2013. Still you had people saying they wanted Punk in that match as a triple threat.
The other reasons as to why we like it revolve around it being a better match, it putting a close to multiple storylines, it helping Ronda and Becky out with match promotion, it helping the promos out, it giving more heat to Charlotte and less on Ronda, there's just a lot at play here that extends beyond the "end of the match." We're mostly speaking about things that are happening prior to the match itself.
At the end of the day you don't have to be convinced. We're not trying to convince you, you just don't think like we do. At the same time when you look at our position make sure you understand why we're saying it as a whole and just say "I don't think like that so you do you." I haven't seen one pro-triple threat person in any of these threads say they're trying to change people's opinions. If anything they're saying "this is why I like it" and people are responding and going against it as if there was a debate in the first place.
It's not really a debate. It's an opinion as to why people think it needs to be a triple threat or single's.
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Post by Doctor No on Feb 17, 2019 15:56:21 GMT -5
It’s a generic negative comment about two superstars. It wasn’t anything insanely personal, sexist, racist, overly sexualized, etc, etc. The person isn’t a fan of them and said one was worse than the other. Ok? So is she actually encouraging fans to cheer favorites and boo the ones they don’t? Entertainment/art is subjective and people don’t have to like everything, hence the idea of having favorites and ones you don’t like. She is making it some personal issue, when nothing like that is in that comment. Like I said previously, if their is more backstory to that comment ok. But using that comment on it’s own as some instance of “Look I’m OWNING TROLLZ” is stupid. Put it this way, if you saw or heard a stranger insult a friend of yours or someone you're really close with, your going to have your friends back and call out that person. Same thing Charolette was doing. I don't see how she's wrong here Charlotte and the friends she defended are/were involved in a very public form of entertainment. A form of entertainment that has always encouraged people to have favorites and people they don’t like. She is making a generic comment saying they “suck” and trying to reframe it as some personal attack and then tweeting it out to her large following to try to get the person shamed/harassed. If that’s all that comment was and doesn’t have a deeper story that involves this person making other more personal, sexist or whatever type comments, she is wrong. Also her two friends that so harshly “suck” according to that person, WERE PLAYING HEELS. If that’s the reaction they get from that person then they did their job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 16:03:04 GMT -5
At the end of the day you don't have to be convinced. We're not trying to convince you, you just don't think like we do. At the same time when you look at our position make sure you understand why we're saying it as a whole and just say "I don't think like that so you do you." I haven't seen one pro-triple threat person in any of these threads say they're trying to change people's opinions. If anything they're saying "this is why I like it" and people are responding and going against it as if there was a debate in the first place. This is the crux of it. I've said all the way that I get why people want the Becky Lynch singles match, and for a long time I was in that boat. I don't even really like triple threat matches that much anymore. Pretty much after Evolution I was sold on the Triple Threat concept because of how great of rivals Charlotte and Becky are together, and storyline wise I think it just works out better. The Charlotte/Becky feud belongs on the Wrestlemania main event before that well runs dry, Ronda gives it a star boost and a different dynamic from their previous encounters, and the road to get there is a lot more interesting. The pros outweigh the cons to me. From where I sit it feels like some people are making up these arbitrary measurables to make their viewpoint the "right" one when there really isn't a right or wrong here. Ronda/Becky are the key ingredient to this year's main event, a triple threat or a singles match are both valid options. There's a lot of "people want ______" arguments that simply can't be proven. There are some way on one side of the fence, some on the other, but for the most part I just don't see that there's a strong consensus, there's no real harm in either direction they take outside of personal preference. Don't think anyone's wrong for wanting the singles match, but to say Charlotte's inclusion makes no sense, that no one wants it, people want Charlotte gone and all that stuff, just doesn't compute, you don't need these qualifiers to say you don't like it. If you don't like it you don't like it, that's totally fine.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Feb 17, 2019 16:05:39 GMT -5
This. Shade.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 16:13:13 GMT -5
At the end of the day you don't have to be convinced. We're not trying to convince you, you just don't think like we do. At the same time when you look at our position make sure you understand why we're saying it as a whole and just say "I don't think like that so you do you." I haven't seen one pro-triple threat person in any of these threads say they're trying to change people's opinions. If anything they're saying "this is why I like it" and people are responding and going against it as if there was a debate in the first place. This is the crux of it. I've said all the way that I get why people want the Becky Lynch singles match, and for a long time I was in that boat. I don't even really like triple threat matches that much anymore. Pretty much after Evolution I was sold on the Triple Threat concept because of how great of rivals Charlotte and Becky are together, and storyline wise I think it just works out better. The Charlotte/Becky feud belongs on the Wrestlemania main event before that well runs dry, Ronda gives it a star boost and a different dynamic from their previous encounters, and the road to get there is a lot more interesting. The pros outweigh the cons to me. From where I sit it feels like some people are making up these arbitrary measurables to make their viewpoint the "right" one when there really isn't a right or wrong here. Ronda/Becky are the key ingredient to this year's main event, a triple threat or a singles match are both valid options. There's a lot of "people want ______" arguments that simply can't be proven. There are some way on one side of the fence, some on the other, but for the most part I just don't see that there's a strong consensus, there's no real harm in either direction they take outside of personal preference. Don't think anyone's wrong for wanting the singles match, but to say Charlotte's inclusion makes no sense, that no one wants it, people want Charlotte gone and all that stuff, just doesn't compute, you don't need these qualifiers to say you don't like it. If you don't like it you don't like it, that's totally fine. Yep that's 100% where I am on this. Exactly.
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Post by Schizo on Feb 17, 2019 16:23:10 GMT -5
Put it this way, if you saw or heard a stranger insult a friend of yours or someone you're really close with, your going to have your friends back and call out that person. Same thing Charolette was doing. I don't see how she's wrong here Charlotte and the friends she defended are/were involved in a very public form of entertainment. A form of entertainment that has always encouraged people to have favorites and people they don’t like. She is making a generic comment saying they “suck” and trying to reframe it as some personal attack and then tweeting it out to her large following to try to get the person shamed/harassed. If that’s all that comment was and doesn’t have a deeper story that involves this person making other more personal, sexist or whatever type comments, she is wrong. Also her two friends that so harshly “suck” according to that person, WERE PLAYING HEELS. If that’s the reaction they get from that person then they did their job. If that guy doesn't want to get harassed/shamed then don't tweet how much someone sucks to a fellow wrestler. Especially if they're good friends. Very shitty thing to do. Log on to message board like this and make a thread on why so and so sucks.
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Post by schma on Feb 17, 2019 16:23:27 GMT -5
I feel like the pro-Charlotte people are focusing on the end result of the Wrestlemania match to get those who are against Charlotte being in the match to get over it. Basically, "she's going to win anyway, so why not Charlotte join in?"I don't want to see Charlotte in the Wrestlemania main even because she has been the focus of women's division for as long as she's been on the main roster (hell, even longer if we count NXT). Has she put in hard work the past few months? Undoubtedly. But does that mean that she deserves to be in the main event of Wrestlemania? I remain unconvinced. For example, CM Punk was probably one of the hardest working people on the roster in 2012-2013, yet he wasn't in the main event of Wrestlemania 29 (even though Punk vs. Cena would have been a better main event than what we actually got). Additionally, in the case of how frequently Charlotte has been the mainstay of the women's division, I'd be much more excited to see someone who isn't as overexposed in terms of TV and PPV time, let alone at the centre of most booking decisions over the past few years. For the record, think it's unfair to reduce Charlotte's booking to her last name, because that dismisses her hard work and accomplishments. Nor should she be likened to the women's version of John Cena and Roman Reigns. Charlotte isn't 'another John Cena' or 'the next Roman Reigns'. She's the first 'Charlotte', which is problematic enough--the wrestler on the women's roster who, despite her hard work and quality of matches, I'd still like a break from, at least right now, when The Man is exciting because she, unlike Charlotte, never has had the chance to lock up with Rousey in a one-on-one match. Had the events leading up to Survivor Series played differently, and Lynch actually wrestled Rousey, sure, we'd have something else to talk about. I'd be so much more okay with the triple threat had things worked out at the time. But they didn't, so here I am, on the ride or die run for Lynch vs. Rousey. I don't think any of the pro-triple threat posters care about people trying to "get over it" nor do we care if you like it or not. We know it's going to happen, it is what it is and we're content with this. I just think that people aren't respecting our povs and when we explain why we want it and why it makes sense you get others saying "it doesn't make sense", "this Becky/Ronda match is what everyone wanted" "this is going to backfire" and "Charlotte is shoehorned in here again" when all of those things are false, even the last one because when you break it down we get clarity. People just don't want to say "well ok it makes sense and it won't be horrible but I just don't want that" and let things be as is. If people just said that? Everyone would be good but wrestling fans (a lot of fans of multiple mediums) have this thing where if you go against what some people want they think you're out to get them.
Shit's lame.
Yeah, Charlotte has been a mainstay in the women's divisions since the NXT days but that's one of the reasons why we want her in the main event. This is Becky's story reaching it's peak, a story where she takes over the entire division and she becomes The One. Charlotte herself has been The One for years so it makes sense that the torch needs to be passed and why not do it on the grandest stage possible rather than some random B level ppv? Becky as a character not only deserves more than that but her history with Charlotte extends far beyond some regular ppv. I'd go on and say that Becky's history with Charlotte is not only more important than Ronda's story but it's actually been the entire backbone of Becky's entire main roster character from introduction to now (which she only turned heel due to Charlotte). You're focusing on the fact that Charlotte's been in that position before, you're focusing on the fact that you want Becky to rise to that position and have a one on one with Ronda but what we're doing however is understanding that given Becky's main roster career has been Charlotte focused you have to put a bow on it, pass the torch and end it in the best way and it makes sense that it's at Wrestlemania. It's bigger than Becky getting a one on one, it's Becky's entire character. Vanquishing the enemy at the biggest stage while also getting the title and beating Ronda. That's how we're seeing it, it's like a tv show season. If this is the end of the Becky/Charlotte saga then you need to end it right rather than having it end on episode 4 in a 13 episode season, you end it on that 13th episode.
The Punk comparison doesn't work because Rock/Cena were already doing their thing before Punk became the guy he was from 2011-2013. Still you had people saying they wanted Punk in that match as a triple threat.
The other reasons as to why we like it revolve around it being a better match, it putting a close to multiple storylines, it helping Ronda and Becky out with match promotion, it helping the promos out, it giving more heat to Charlotte and less on Ronda, there's just a lot at play here that extends beyond the "end of the match." We're mostly speaking about things that are happening prior to the match itself.
At the end of the day you don't have to be convinced. We're not trying to convince you, you just don't think like we do. At the same time when you look at our position make sure you understand why we're saying it as a whole and just say "I don't think like that so you do you." I haven't seen one pro-triple threat person in any of these threads say they're trying to change people's opinions. If anything they're saying "this is why I like it" and people are responding and going against it as if there was a debate in the first place.
It's not really a debate. It's an opinion as to why people think it needs to be a triple threat or single's.
I think on both sides at one point we all got a bit heated (myself included) because something like the women main eventing is exciting and was once unthinkable.
That said, you mention about Becky/Charlotte need to end on Episode 13. The thing is for myself and others who are pro 1on1 at WM, this would be like if Buffy beat the master Vampire in episode 4, 5, 7 and 8 and now he's back getting ready for the big faceoff in episode 13 and I'm left going, seriously? This shit again? Becky and Charlotte are fantastic together but I've seen them interacting almost exclusively with each other (apart from some minor detours like Survivor Series and later Asuka) for seven months now. This feels less like the big blowoff in their feud and more like, shit I'm not even sure. Including Charlotte in this despite her being one of the best women on the roster has diminished my interest in this match.
For me, Becky had her big damn hero moment when she beat Charlotte in the Last Woman Standing. She proved she was the better woman. Then it just kept going and I was on board for some of it because they're great but Becky has vanquished that dragon, it's time for her to move on.
I do think there may be more women's main events in the future and I've no doubt Charlotte will be part of it. However, while I can see why you pro triple threat folks think she should be in this one, I respectfully disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 17:00:51 GMT -5
I don't think any of the pro-triple threat posters care about people trying to "get over it" nor do we care if you like it or not. We know it's going to happen, it is what it is and we're content with this. I just think that people aren't respecting our povs and when we explain why we want it and why it makes sense you get others saying "it doesn't make sense", "this Becky/Ronda match is what everyone wanted" "this is going to backfire" and "Charlotte is shoehorned in here again" when all of those things are false, even the last one because when you break it down we get clarity. People just don't want to say "well ok it makes sense and it won't be horrible but I just don't want that" and let things be as is. If people just said that? Everyone would be good but wrestling fans (a lot of fans of multiple mediums) have this thing where if you go against what some people want they think you're out to get them.
Shit's lame.
Yeah, Charlotte has been a mainstay in the women's divisions since the NXT days but that's one of the reasons why we want her in the main event. This is Becky's story reaching it's peak, a story where she takes over the entire division and she becomes The One. Charlotte herself has been The One for years so it makes sense that the torch needs to be passed and why not do it on the grandest stage possible rather than some random B level ppv? Becky as a character not only deserves more than that but her history with Charlotte extends far beyond some regular ppv. I'd go on and say that Becky's history with Charlotte is not only more important than Ronda's story but it's actually been the entire backbone of Becky's entire main roster character from introduction to now (which she only turned heel due to Charlotte). You're focusing on the fact that Charlotte's been in that position before, you're focusing on the fact that you want Becky to rise to that position and have a one on one with Ronda but what we're doing however is understanding that given Becky's main roster career has been Charlotte focused you have to put a bow on it, pass the torch and end it in the best way and it makes sense that it's at Wrestlemania. It's bigger than Becky getting a one on one, it's Becky's entire character. Vanquishing the enemy at the biggest stage while also getting the title and beating Ronda. That's how we're seeing it, it's like a tv show season. If this is the end of the Becky/Charlotte saga then you need to end it right rather than having it end on episode 4 in a 13 episode season, you end it on that 13th episode.
The Punk comparison doesn't work because Rock/Cena were already doing their thing before Punk became the guy he was from 2011-2013. Still you had people saying they wanted Punk in that match as a triple threat.
The other reasons as to why we like it revolve around it being a better match, it putting a close to multiple storylines, it helping Ronda and Becky out with match promotion, it helping the promos out, it giving more heat to Charlotte and less on Ronda, there's just a lot at play here that extends beyond the "end of the match." We're mostly speaking about things that are happening prior to the match itself.
At the end of the day you don't have to be convinced. We're not trying to convince you, you just don't think like we do. At the same time when you look at our position make sure you understand why we're saying it as a whole and just say "I don't think like that so you do you." I haven't seen one pro-triple threat person in any of these threads say they're trying to change people's opinions. If anything they're saying "this is why I like it" and people are responding and going against it as if there was a debate in the first place.
It's not really a debate. It's an opinion as to why people think it needs to be a triple threat or single's.
I think on both sides at one point we all got a bit heated (myself included) because something like the women main eventing is exciting and was once unthinkable. That said, you mention about Becky/Charlotte need to end on Episode 13. The thing is for myself and others who are pro 1on1 at WM, this would be like if Buffy beat the master Vampire in episode 4, 5, 7 and 8 and now he's back getting ready for the big faceoff in episode 13 and I'm left going, seriously? This shit again? Becky and Charlotte are fantastic together but I've seen them interacting almost exclusively with each other (apart from some minor detours like Survivor Series and later Asuka) for seven months now. This feels less like the big blowoff in their feud and more like, shit I'm not even sure. Including Charlotte in this despite her being one of the best women on the roster has diminished my interest in this match.
For me, Becky had her big damn hero moment when she beat Charlotte in the Last Woman Standing. She proved she was the better woman. Then it just kept going and I was on board for some of it because they're great but Becky has vanquished that dragon, it's time for her to move on. I do think there may be more women's main events in the future and I've no doubt Charlotte will be part of it. However, while I can see why you pro triple threat folks think she should be in this one, I respectfully disagree.
The fact we're all speaking on the women main eventing a WM is the biggest accomplishment I'd say. We've gone past the days of wondering if it'll ever happen, we're now speaking on which one will main event which says a lot. Usually we can see one storyline and go "ok, these 2 will main event" but in this case there's 2 options and that's progress.
I'm still thinking that they're just trading blows even when Becky beat her numerous times because whenever Charlotte shows up with Becky it's like there isn't this definitive blow to her. Yeah Becky's beaten her numerous times but it just doesn't feel like she's down for the count like she needs to be. When I see WM I see Becky beating her at the biggest stage possible and then I see Charlotte back on SDL while Becky's on Raw and at that point there's no way it's not down because it's two different brands. It's a matter of preference because like you said others don't see the season finale that way. I see it in sort of a Red vs Blue situation. In Pokemon Red you face your rival numerous times and you're racing to see who's the champion and then when you beat The Elite Four you find out he's already done it, he's the final boss. That's sort of what I think about Becky and Charlotte. Becky's beaten her numerous times through the different evolutions she's gained and whatnot but Charlotte's still there at the end of it. Others might see Charlotte as losing prior but it varies.
And yeah the respect thing is what I'm really speaking about. I respect people who disagree, if you disagree you disagree. Just respect those who have different opinions. It might not make sense for you but it makes sense to us. Some things are just facts that you can't dispute (like Charlotte and Becky still feuding) and such. Once those facts are respected then everything else can be based on preference.
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Post by Doctor No on Feb 17, 2019 17:04:45 GMT -5
Charlotte and the friends she defended are/were involved in a very public form of entertainment. A form of entertainment that has always encouraged people to have favorites and people they don’t like. She is making a generic comment saying they “suck” and trying to reframe it as some personal attack and then tweeting it out to her large following to try to get the person shamed/harassed. If that’s all that comment was and doesn’t have a deeper story that involves this person making other more personal, sexist or whatever type comments, she is wrong. Also her two friends that so harshly “suck” according to that person, WERE PLAYING HEELS. If that’s the reaction they get from that person then they did their job. If that guy doesn't want to get harassed/shamed then don't tweet how much someone sucks to a fellow wrestler. Especially if they're good friends. Very shitty thing to do. Log on to message board like this and make a thread on why so and so sucks. Maybe the wrestlers should remember they play characters and that getting people to like and dislike the characters they play(the Charlotte Flair character, the Eva Marie character, the Ruby Riot character) is how money is made. Plus it’s already been established that trying to use mass online harassment campaigns typically used by the more “toxic masculinity”/hateful type parts of the internet is not acceptable. Charlotte shouldn’t be taking a mundane tweet, reframing it and trying to get the person blown up/harassed. Wrong is wrong and she is trying to manipulate and make more out of a tweet than is there to drive people to harass someone.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Feb 17, 2019 17:13:06 GMT -5
They see me main eventin' The fans be hatin' Be beatin' on Ronda Rousey
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 17, 2019 17:25:58 GMT -5
Well, yes, obviously, but also, f*** them.
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