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Post by Texas Tornado on Feb 12, 2019 15:07:47 GMT -5
There's no story. Seth vs. Finn would be way more interesting because there's at least a way to tie it back to the first Universal title match. Along with them both getting injured and never getting real shots until now.
Brock Lesnar is the same shit. Nobody wants to see that and knowing that Seth is going to be stuck in this for 2 months means that he's just...there. I like Seth, but I care so little about Brock that I don't even want to look up anything Seth has been doing. They're not telling any new story with the match. They're just literally repeating the last 6 years of Brock Lesnar feuds.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Feb 12, 2019 15:22:10 GMT -5
IMO, he's still got the stink of being the "eh, good enough" second choice after Roman had to leave, who's getting this spot because somebody has to be in it and there are no obvious better candidates.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 15:27:48 GMT -5
He's stuck having the same story Bryan, AJ, and Finn had with Brock, except it has to drag on for weeks and weeks and everything Lesnar is involved in storywise sucks ass.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 15:33:04 GMT -5
I don't know what everyone else is saying because from what I hear every Monday, Rollins is the most popular male in the company right now. Last night when the crowd was chanting for him and just these past few weeks Rollins seems to have finally found himself with his current gimmick.
The problem isn't him, the problem's what they give him to work with. You give him a lameass Lesnar, you give him Bobby "bitch lameass" Lashley, you give him Baron "bitch on the curb" Corbin, you give him this Roman exploitation stuff, you give him Dean "I'm a heel now and because you're f***ing with me I'm leaving so I don't care" Ambrose in that sad storyline, all of that has dragged Rollins down. That's bad material for him to work with. Let's not forget Drew "man I ain't it" McIntyre, ugh.
He'll be fine once this Lesnar shit's over with and they give him some legit opponents but until then he's being pushed back in favor of this Becky/Charlotte/Ronda stuff. It says a lot when it takes that many months of work to push him back and yet the crowd's still chanting loudly.
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Post by Prince Petty on Feb 12, 2019 15:35:49 GMT -5
I find him very dull, and have little interest in anything he does. I don't think he has that It Factor, and despite his dynamic moveset, he just doesn't live up to the hype. But I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 15:37:23 GMT -5
I’m saying it.
Face Rollins sucks. He’s just not likable or sympathetic.
The man is made to be a heel. He even has the whiny voice that makes you wanna see him get punched in the face.
Nothing will top 2014 blonde streak Rollins for me. He was the best heel in the company.
This “Burn It Down” Rollins is cringe. Reminds me of when Edge was a face and they had the whole “SPEAR SPEAR SPEAR” thing. It just doesn’t work. These guys are better suited as slimeball “opportunist” heels.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 15:38:56 GMT -5
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Feb 12, 2019 15:43:31 GMT -5
I’m saying it. Face Rollins sucks. He’s just not likable or sympathetic. The man is made to be a heel. He even has the whiny voice that makes you wanna see him get punched in the face. Nothing will top 2014 blonde streak Rollins for me. He was the best heel in the company. This “Burn It Down” Rollins is cringe. Reminds me of when Edge was a face and they had the whole “SPEAR SPEAR SPEAR” thing. It just doesn’t work. These guys are better suited as slimeball “opportunist” heels. He really is a terrible face. Even going back to his lame duck ROH Title reign, the dude has just NEVER been interesting as a good guy.
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Post by Perd on Feb 12, 2019 15:45:27 GMT -5
I do think Seth’s not being over is overstated. He still gets a good to great reaction from live crowds. Personally, I’ve found him a bit lackluster, lately. But I do think some of that can be attributed to feuding with Lesnar. Because What can you do? He’s never there and you’re stuck responding being to the same promo that Heyman’s cut a million times.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 12, 2019 15:46:02 GMT -5
He’s absolute garbage on the mic... somewhat tolerable as a heel but as a face he’s almost embarrassing.
Good wrestler, can have good formulaic matches but why should I assume his universal title run would be any different from his IC title run that I didn’t care about?
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Feb 12, 2019 15:46:44 GMT -5
I see no reason to assume Lesnar won't just whip his ass at WM and retain.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Feb 12, 2019 15:53:23 GMT -5
Seth is good but...I don't really understand the hoopla over him. He's good, but that's all.
And when paired with someone I absolutely despise like Lesnar, good just isn't enough to make up for the lack of shits I give.
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Post by EZ: Broken Bae on Feb 12, 2019 15:59:21 GMT -5
I like Seth well enough, but for his talent and his fanbase, he's a bad top guy. He does not know how to conduct himself in a way that won't potentially bring heat on the company. If, in a few month's time, he has the title belt and we hear about him causing problems of, oops, he hits on some married woman in a hotel bar and causes a big kerfuffle, will a single one of you be surprised? If a celebrity does something stupid, and Seth is rushing to their defense on twitter with half-formed opinions and looking like a dope, will any of you be shocked? Seth's just not that bright. Beyond that, in babyface promos, he just sounds perpetually whiny. There's just something about him that lends a pissy tone to most of what he does on the mic. I find this incredibly interesting considering how when The Shield broke up most were apoplectic about Seth turning because they envisioned him as the face in peril. I always saw him as a slimy heel and he ended up doing his best work as one. It was a rare right call by WWE. He can be very good at being a face as last year's reunion angle and the majority of 2018 showed. The Ambrose feud totally bombed and at the worst time if they were planning this direction. That said I think it's more Lesnar apathy than anything. Heyman's schtick is old so unless Brock decides to speak too there's not much worth hearing between them. More physical angles where Seth actually gets one over on him would do a lot to make the audience think Brock would care in particular about making this worth his time. There's a good story to have there with calling back to the Battleground encounter but WWE is not one for nuance.
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Post by RedSmile on Feb 12, 2019 16:00:09 GMT -5
Maybe they should inject Charlotte into this feud too, just in case.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 12, 2019 16:04:04 GMT -5
I like Seth well enough, but for his talent and his fanbase, he's a bad top guy. He does not know how to conduct himself in a way that won't potentially bring heat on the company. If, in a few month's time, he has the title belt and we hear about him causing problems of, oops, he hits on some married woman in a hotel bar and causes a big kerfuffle, will a single one of you be surprised? If a celebrity does something stupid, and Seth is rushing to their defense on twitter with half-formed opinions and looking like a dope, will any of you be shocked? Seth's just not that bright. Beyond that, in babyface promos, he just sounds perpetually whiny. There's just something about him that lends a pissy tone to most of what he does on the mic. I find this incredibly interesting considering how when The Shield broke up most were apoplectic about Seth turning because they envisioned him as the face in peril. I always saw him as a slimy heel and he ended up doing his best work as one. It was a rare right call by WWE. He can be very good at being a face as last year's reunion angle and the majority of 2018 showed. The Ambrose feud just bombed and it came at a bad time if they were planning this direction at all. That said I think it's more Lesnar apathy than anything. Heyman's schtick is old so unless Brock decides to speak too there's not much worth hearing between them. More physical angles where Seth actually gets one over on him would do a lot to make the audience think Brock would care in particular about making this worth his time. There's a good story to have there with calling back to the Battleground encounter but WWE is not one for nuance. He can definitely wrestle like a face, don't get me wrong, but his promos are so unreliable on that front. Remember when he (accidentally?) implied he'd assault Stephanie's children in a babyface promo? If they keep his mic time down, it'll probably work better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 16:05:19 GMT -5
He can definitely wrestle like a face, don't get me wrong, but his promos are so unreliable on that front. Remember when he (accidentally?) implied he'd assault Stephanie's children in a babyface promo? If they keep his mic time down, it'll probably work better. Last night he said he'd sell his soul to the devil if it meant getting the title from Lesnar.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 12, 2019 16:08:44 GMT -5
Yea, knew I wasn't buggin in making this thread
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Feb 12, 2019 16:09:01 GMT -5
I find him very dull, and have little interest in anything he does. I don't think he has that It Factor, and despite his dynamic moveset, he just doesn't live up to the hype. But I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority. I feel the same way about him. It doesn’t help that he’s been around for so long and they can’t decide if he’s worthy of being the top guy unless someone else they had plans for is out of the picture. I’m sure it’s fun to yell out “Burn it down” when you’re there live and his music hits. People liked yelling out “Oh you didn’t know” and “Ho train” too though. I guess Rollins winning the title sets up a match with Reigns down the line but I’m not too excited about that either to be honest.
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Post by EZ: Broken Bae on Feb 12, 2019 16:21:38 GMT -5
For the record I think Seth/Brock is the right way to go if they actually take the title off him. It's what I would choose if put in the position. I just think it could be a lot better if it wasn't within the current WWE structure. As a face you need to connect with the crowd and get them invested and Seth definitely does that regardless of his promo work. He could stand to say less but part of the problem is the "shove every phrase/brand about your character in as much as possible" that he's forced to go with too.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 12, 2019 16:24:17 GMT -5
I've been immensely apathetic towards Rollins since somewhere during his title run, honestly.
All the Shield guys I liked better together in the early days. As individual talents, the one I love most is Dean and he was never used right.
I don't think Rollins makes sense as a character/gimmick. He wrestles like a babyface but sounds like a heel regardless of what alignment he is, and it means he doesn't work for me in either regard.
Plus, honestly, I just don't really have a hook for him. I say this about a lot of wrestlers, but I don't see anything that Seth can that other people can't.
That said, he was MOLTEN hot a few months ago and they really should have had him kill Lesnar then.
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