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Post by TGM on Feb 15, 2019 18:19:45 GMT -5
I'm skimming through some buyrates and noticed Wrestlemania 19 only did 560,000 buys. Compare 18 which did 840,000 and 20 which did 885,000. Hell, more people bought Royal Rumble 2003 than Wrestlemania 19.
What's the deal here? I watched it recently and while it wasn't an amazing show, it wasn't terrible.
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 15, 2019 18:22:26 GMT -5
Honestly I think part of was plastering McMahon/Hogan all over the advertising as if that was somehow the marquee match to get people to order.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 18:28:28 GMT -5
The build was pretty crap. They centered the whole thing's advertising around Vince / Hogan (great match, but on paper it sounds absolutely awful), Lesnar / Angle was pretty much just awkwardly trying to shoehorn Brock into suddenly being the top face after he'd spent the whole year as top heel with no real transition, Booker / Triple H speaks for itself, and Austin / Rock had a good buildup but selling the match around how it'd already happened a ton of times probably didn't exactly help make it look special.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 18:33:40 GMT -5
The build was pretty crap. They centered the whole thing's advertising around Vince / Hogan (great match, but on paper it sounds absolutely awful), Lesnar / Angle was pretty much just awkwardly trying to shoehorn Brock into suddenly being the top face after he'd spent the whole year as top heel with no real transition, Booker / Triple H speaks for itself, and Austin / Rock had a good buildup but selling the match around how it'd already happened a ton of times probably didn't exactly help make it look special. What you said. Also, there was no competition anymore, and the WCW fans weren't coming to see WWE programming, while X-8 had the momentum of "Holy crap! Hulk Hogan's back in the WWF?! And he's facing The Rock?!!" cushioning it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 18:44:54 GMT -5
That’s my favorite Mania ever. You can watch the whole PPV and not skip a match. Well... Maybe HHH/Booker.
It was the first post brand split Mania.
There was 5 huge main event matches but none of them had that one an million feel.
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 15, 2019 18:48:07 GMT -5
It was such a lukewarm card. It's one of those shows where most of the wrestling was good on it but it didn't have any particular selling point.
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Post by thirteen3 on Feb 15, 2019 18:56:29 GMT -5
Best looking 'Mania by far. They need to do more Baseball stadiums. Citifield or Yankee stadium need to host a Wrestlemania. If they can do an open air show in New Jersey in March/April they can do one within NYC's borders.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Feb 15, 2019 18:56:47 GMT -5
Limp Bizkit
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Post by Some Guy on Feb 15, 2019 18:56:57 GMT -5
It had nothing to do with the card, build, Raws up to it, or anything like that, it was just a very weird timing thing that had to deal with it only being available from digital cable boxes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 19:45:23 GMT -5
Yeah like everyone said....
Triple was in the middle of the reign of terror.
Hogan vs. Vince took up way to much of the air time going into the show and looked like it would suck.
HBK vs. Y2J was a dream match but not a main event match
Taker was in a tag match with Nathan Jones.
Austin and Rock were fighting for the third time, this time their fued involed the Hurricane. Rock was leaving for Hollywood again soon, and Austin wasn’t over as he once was.
Goldberg was debuting soon but not on this card.
Smackdown while it had better wrestling, if had a weird mainevent scene and a lot of injuries.
Everyone knew Angle was leaving after their match.
Brock is was over but being so dominant he wasn’t that great of a babyface.
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Post by abjordans on Feb 15, 2019 19:48:34 GMT -5
One of the best shows ever. People missed out that night.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 15, 2019 20:10:32 GMT -5
IIRC, the month prior, No Way Out drew a really good buyrate with Hogan vs Rock 2, so it’s very possible that some of Mania’s buyrate got leeched from that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 20:12:27 GMT -5
IIRC, the month prior, No Way Out drew a really good buyrate with Hogan vs Rock 2, so it’s very possible that some of Mania’s buyrate got leeched from that. And Rock vs. Goldberg at Backlash.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 20:14:57 GMT -5
IIRC, the month prior, No Way Out drew a really good buyrate with Hogan vs Rock 2, so it’s very possible that some of Mania’s buyrate got leeched from that. It's actually kind of sketchy how well it did. It was down 100,000 from the previous year's No Way Out, but pretty much all of WWE's PPVs in early 2003 were big drops. Other than Backlash which was only 55,000 down from 2002, but No Way Out both years did far better than Backlash did so it's hard to judge on that one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 20:20:37 GMT -5
It’s one of my favourite Wrestlemania’s ever.
Rock/Austin HBK/Jericho Hogan/Vince Angle/Brock
All quality matches. Plus the arena was awesome.
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Post by fg on Feb 15, 2019 20:47:40 GMT -5
It had nothing to do with the card, build, Raws up to it, or anything like that, it was just a very weird timing thing that had to deal with it only being available from digital cable boxes. I was able to see it on my analog box back in 2003.
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Post by Jake, The Jake, Jake on Feb 15, 2019 21:31:24 GMT -5
Somehow the Miller Lite catfight girls didn’t draw people in.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 15, 2019 23:11:54 GMT -5
I'm skimming through some buyrates and noticed Wrestlemania 19 only did 560,000 buys. Compare 18 which did 840,000 and 20 which did 885,000. Hell, more people bought Royal Rumble 2003 than Wrestlemania 19. What's the deal here? I watched it recently and while it wasn't an amazing show, it wasn't terrible. The four weeks of TV leading up to it and four weeks of TV after were all bottom of the barrel awful. The show succeeded in spite of horrid booking.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 15, 2019 23:13:03 GMT -5
IIRC, the month prior, No Way Out drew a really good buyrate with Hogan vs Rock 2, so it’s very possible that some of Mania’s buyrate got leeched from that. And Rock vs. Goldberg at Backlash. That shouldn't really affect Mania's buyrate, since no one knew Goldberg was coming until his vignette aired during Mania.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 15, 2019 23:13:54 GMT -5
It had nothing to do with the card, build, Raws up to it, or anything like that, it was just a very weird timing thing that had to deal with it only being available from digital cable boxes. I was able to see it on my analog box back in 2003. Same. What's the source on the digital theory?
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