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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 22, 2019 12:36:03 GMT -5
Waltman knows shitloads about wrestling, there is no denying.
He knows nothing about how WWE works any more though. It isn't 2002 even, never mind 1999. I am getting very tired of guys who have no idea what it is like to be a young wrestler working for WWE in the modern era blaming the wrestlers for being locked into a scripted situation.
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Post by DragonMasterP on Feb 22, 2019 13:14:30 GMT -5
This is dumb for the same reason the Brass Ring stuff from a few years ago was dumb: It doesn’t really matter if talent steps up, because the company is still run by an arrogant old man whose ego can’t allow for the wrestlers to make themselves without his input.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 22, 2019 13:23:32 GMT -5
Everyone has explained what the issue is with the WWE many times. One of my biggest gripes is no one stands out anymore, no one has anything that separates them from other wrestlers. Everyone looks and acts the same, all of them wear similar attire, and it's become frustratingly difficult to determine who are the heroes and villains of the story.
Growing up in the late eighties, nineties, and even into the new millennium wrestlers had a unique persona, costumes, attitude, and they carried themselves in a fashion that made them out to be larger than life. I also think they need to bring back kayfabe. Have all of the wrestlers get rid of their social media accounts, men and women who are faces shouldn't be hanging out, training, or seen socializing with the heels, simply put just bring back a sense of fantasy into the product. Yes, we know it's scripted and choreographed, however, there's simply nothing wrong with bringing back how it used to be.
Have the heels actually engage with the audience by insulting and threatening them, who cares about who gets upset? Bring back the cool colorful costumes, differentiate between the heroes and villains, provide coherent storylines, and have it be unpredictable again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 13:52:21 GMT -5
I have a ton of respect for Waltman because obviously he knows his shit, but I see too many wrestlers killing it on social media and other outlets to get noticed to believe it's mostly on them.
AJ Styles is one of the greatest wrestlers of all time and he's one of the most boring people they have at the moment. I put that on the lackluster writing more than anything.
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Post by Juice on Feb 22, 2019 15:06:39 GMT -5
Perhaps he means people arent making the best of what they are given which is valid.
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Post by Perd on Feb 22, 2019 15:11:28 GMT -5
And what will he say, a year from now, when the four of them are just four more dudes on the roster?
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Post by mrtuesday on Feb 22, 2019 15:14:30 GMT -5
Perhaps he means people arent making the best of what they are given which is valid. The phrase "Maximize your minutes" comes up a lot from some of the old guard. You have X-minutes, make the most of it. Not many are the best at it. |
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Post by Some Guy on Feb 22, 2019 16:28:58 GMT -5
Tell that to Rusev, who got to be one of the 5 most over guys on the roster with basically zero help from creative and talked to Vince every week about getting more chances, and got nothing.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 22, 2019 17:20:08 GMT -5
Everyone has explained what the issue is with the WWE many times. One of my biggest gripes is no one stands out anymore, no one has anything that separates them from other wrestlers. Everyone looks and acts the same, all of them wear similar attire, and it's become frustratingly difficult to determine who are the heroes and villains of the story. Growing up in the late eighties, nineties, and even into the new millennium wrestlers had a unique persona, costumes, attitude, and they carried themselves in a fashion that made them out to be larger than life. I also think they need to bring back kayfabe. Have all of the wrestlers get rid of their social media accounts, men and women who are faces shouldn't be hanging out, training, or seen socializing with the heels, simply put just bring back a sense of fantasy into the product. Yes, we know it's scripted and choreographed, however, there's simply nothing wrong with bringing back how it used to be. Have the heels actually engage with the audience by insulting and threatening them, who cares about who gets upset? Bring back the cool colorful costumes, differentiate between the heroes and villains, provide coherent storylines, and have it be unpredictable again. 100%. I have always said that everybody is constantly in their wrestling gear all of the time. They always look the same. When Austin, Rock, Triple H, Edge & Christian, and others weren't wrestling...they had on street clothes that showed personality. Just that one little thing can work wonders. It's not hard. |
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Feb 22, 2019 17:53:40 GMT -5
Everyone has explained what the issue is with the WWE many times. One of my biggest gripes is no one stands out anymore, no one has anything that separates them from other wrestlers. Everyone looks and acts the same, all of them wear similar attire, and it's become frustratingly difficult to determine who are the heroes and villains of the story. Bingo. There are like 15 bearded white guys on the Main Roster or NXT all with theme songs that sound like they are from the Nu Metal or Emo Era. How is anyone but the most hardcore not gonna mix guys up or think they are all generic af or give a shit about 1 over the the other. |
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Feb 22, 2019 21:28:37 GMT -5
Doesn't matter what they do in the ring. If not backed by strong booking, it's meaningless. F***ing THIS! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 21:38:07 GMT -5
Everyone has explained what the issue is with the WWE many times. One of my biggest gripes is no one stands out anymore, no one has anything that separates them from other wrestlers. Everyone looks and acts the same, all of them wear similar attire, and it's become frustratingly difficult to determine who are the heroes and villains of the story. Bingo. There are like 15 bearded white guys on the Main Roster or NXT all with theme songs that sound like they are from the Nu Metal or Emo Era. How is anyone but the most hardcore not gonna mix guys up or think they are all generic af or give a shit about 1 over the the other. I figure that next year we can have the Rollins Rumble with 30 guys that look like different variations of Seth coming out and trying to figure out who’s who. |
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Post by FinalGwen on Feb 22, 2019 21:47:17 GMT -5
As people have said, it's often more a problem with what they're allowed to do than what they can do for the most part, but at the same time I look at someone like Randy Orton, and I can't think of anything new he's done in or outside of the ring in the last decade other than teaming with Wyatt for a little while before reverting to type, and playing with Jeff Hardy's ear holes once or twice.
Oh, and I think he wears a hoodie now?
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 23, 2019 0:53:31 GMT -5
Everyone has explained what the issue is with the WWE many times. One of my biggest gripes is no one stands out anymore, no one has anything that separates them from other wrestlers. Everyone looks and acts the same, all of them wear similar attire, and it's become frustratingly difficult to determine who are the heroes and villains of the story. Growing up in the late eighties, nineties, and even into the new millennium wrestlers had a unique persona, costumes, attitude, and they carried themselves in a fashion that made them out to be larger than life. I also think they need to bring back kayfabe. Have all of the wrestlers get rid of their social media accounts, men and women who are faces shouldn't be hanging out, training, or seen socializing with the heels, simply put just bring back a sense of fantasy into the product. Yes, we know it's scripted and choreographed, however, there's simply nothing wrong with bringing back how it used to be. Have the heels actually engage with the audience by insulting and threatening them, who cares about who gets upset? Bring back the cool colorful costumes, differentiate between the heroes and villains, provide coherent storylines, and have it be unpredictable again. 100%. I have always said that everybody is constantly in their wrestling gear all of the time. They always look the same. When Austin, Rock, Triple H, Edge & Christian, and others weren't wrestling...they had on street clothes that showed personality. Just that one little thing can work wonders. It's not hard. Not only that but you think back to the days of Demolition, Legion of Doom, Million Dollar Man, Mr. Perfect, Ultimate Warrior, Piper, Hogan, Jake The Snake, Rick Rude, Steamboat, Flair, Savage, etc they all had a flair about them that screamed personality and their costumes differed with the alignment they were apart of. Even during the Attitude Era wrestlers like Hunter, Rock, Austin, X-Pac, Shamrock, Shawn, and many others while stripped down in colorful costumes still carried themselves like wrestlers. I will admit that I love when Finn Balor comes out as The Demon and it's something he should do all the time, when Bray started he had a very cool old school approach to his gimmick, Roman looked intimidating and cool during the earlier inception of The Shield, everything in my opinion just seems to bland and boring compared to what we grew up watching. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 23, 2019 0:55:58 GMT -5
As people have said, it's often more a problem with what they're allowed to do than what they can do for the most part, but at the same time I look at someone like Randy Orton, and I can't think of anything new he's done in or outside of the ring in the last decade other than teaming with Wyatt for a little while before reverting to type, and playing with Jeff Hardy's ear holes once or twice. Oh, and I think he wears a hoodie now? Orton torturing Jeff by messing with his ear lobes was actually awesome and made it interesting. How he methodically inserted the screwdriver into his ear and began twisting it was just uncomfortable, frightening, and evil that it had an old school feel to it. Reminded me a lot of when Jake The Snake turned heel and was feuding with Savage. Afterwards he just went back not caring and acting like heel Randy Orton. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 23, 2019 0:58:37 GMT -5
How can you not agree with this? Most people on the roster do the same sequences every single time like we are back in the old days , except back then you would watch him do that like 5x a year and not every day. And what does that have to do with the wrestler? If they’re instructed to do the same match over and over again, what do you expect them to do? Do something different and get in trouble? Seth Rollins did that and got scolded for it by Vince. Yeah this happens because that's how the WWE works. I liked the rebound clothesline but I didn't need to see it every match... but the WWE decided that it was Dean's spot so he had to shove it into every match whether they had a way to actually pull it off effectively or not... and after like the 3rd time it happened in a row people should start realizing maybe I should watch to make sure Dean fell out of the ring... That's on the agent which goes back to Vince. People aren't "stepping up" because they can't or they get punished if they do. edit: on Maximizing your minutes Seth FREAKIN' Rollins got yelled at for not completely squashing Kofi... Seth Rollins one of the golden ones of the company... there is no "maximizing your minutes" when you are only allowed to do X thing in Y way. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 23, 2019 1:04:05 GMT -5
Doesn't matter what they do in the ring. If not backed by strong booking, it's meaningless. it's the problem they've had forever with "look good in defeat" plenty of times people have looked good in defeat against like Cena... but that is ultimately meaningless if the followup to that is "literally nothing". |
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Feb 23, 2019 1:10:56 GMT -5
I agree with him. Hungry sharks are swimming with you, you got to step up your game.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Feb 23, 2019 1:17:57 GMT -5
Kinda funny how when things aren't working people in the business want to blame the wrestlers or the fans, but it's never Vince or the WWE's fault.
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