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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 22, 2019 12:16:03 GMT -5
He was overshadowed by Sable. They should have stuck with the Wildman gimmick, turned him heel and gone with a brawling style.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 22, 2019 13:12:33 GMT -5
Rasslin isn’t a normal show. Very true. I still think Cornette has a old fashioned and somewhat low opinion of audiences though. Like how he got annoyed with Jericho and Storm because they wouldn't go around banging rats like the good old days and that hurt them as babyfaces. By the mid 90s at least, there wasn't as much of a knee jerk reaction in these kinds of situations. Unfortunately the rat storie is true. Jericho and Lance admitted that the thrillseekers didn’t got over because of that. Back in the day you got bigger crowds if the female fans, rats included, came to the shows because they attracted male fans. The babyfaces needed for the most part to appear as heartthrobs for the casual female fans and pleasure the rats. |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Feb 22, 2019 13:28:27 GMT -5
Simply was surrounded by more over talent.
Debuting in a backstage interview segment on the night the Ultimate Warrior was returning and Shawn Michaels' coronation isn't the best start.
Later, Hart Foundation and DX got hot, coupled with the meteoric rise of Austin and Rock.
His wife overshadowed him, then he got injured.
Would have been different if he debuted in 93/94.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 13:47:10 GMT -5
I don't totally agree with that. It's about how they act. Just seeing a guy with a hot girl doesn't cause some instinctive reaction, it's when they act like they're hot shit because of it. Savage was a heel, but Liz was a babyface and she was a big reason for both of his face turns. Lita was with the Hardys, never did them any harm. Sable was someone who in kayfabe, Mero had rescued from HHH, her being around wasn't a problem. Basically, he'd got the girl, how much of fiction involves that premise? People don't turn on the guys once it's happened generally. Also, Kimberly Page was babyface with Johnny B. Badd. Same angle as Sable, he rescued her from DDP. She didn't have an adverse effect on Mero, nor Booty Man nor DDP when she managed him during his face run. Everything was fine for Mero till he got hurt in early 97 while he was out Sable got really over with the slammy’s bikini contest and modeling T-Shirts,inflatable chairs and coffins full of money add to that her pectoral development seemed to increase by the week and when Mero returned they immediately went with the jealousy angle.When you have a hot blonde who wants to strip for the fans and a guy that wants to cover her up and treated her like crap that‘s was instant heel heat which is very different from his brief partnership with Kimberly which only lasted 3 or 4 months and they weren’t a couple he saved her from ddp and offered to let her be his manager while she figured what she wanted to do with her life and then he was gone.Kim and Booty didn’t last long either as they got together made a month of nitro appearances then only appeared on the weekend shows mostly in squash matches so they weren’t a pushed act after the 1st month and by july they were done.Kim only managed DDP during his face run for a couple months before she became a nitro girl. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 14:16:42 GMT -5
Also, Kimberly Page was babyface with Johnny B. Badd. Same angle as Sable, he rescued her from DDP. She didn't have an adverse effect on Mero, nor Booty Man nor DDP when she managed him during his face run. Everything was fine for Mero till he got hurt in early 97 while he was out Sable got really over with the slammy’s bikini contest and modeling T-Shirts,inflatable chairs and coffins full of money add to that her pectoral development seemed to increase by the week and when Mero returned they immediately went with the jealousy angle.When you have a hot blonde who wants to strip for the fans and a guy that wants to cover her up and treated her like crap that‘s was instant heel heat which is very different from his brief partnership with Kimberly which only lasted 3 or 4 months and they weren’t a couple he saved her from ddp and offered to let her be his manager while she figured what she wanted to do with her life and then he was gone.Kim and Booty didn’t last long either as they got together made a month of nitro appearances then only appeared on the weekend shows mostly in squash matches so they weren’t a pushed act after the 1st month and by july they were done.Kim only managed DDP during his face run for a couple months before she became a nitro girl. I agree with all that. The point was that Cornette's assertion was baseless because there are plenty examples of babyfaces with female valets who got over as babyfaces. As you say, Mero and Sable were just fine until the injury and he started acting jealous of her. At that time, Sable's tits were more over than anybody else in the company, and Mero found himself in the inauspicious position of transitioning from the main attraction of their duo to a supporting player and eventually eclipsed entirely by T&A. |
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 22, 2019 14:46:36 GMT -5
One problem Mero had is that it was impossible to not see him as Johnny B. Badd, especially early on in the Wildman run. I'm not sure where the whole "The guy can't work" thing started because if you watch matches like the KOTR Austin match you can clearly see he's capable of being solid.
The injury hurt him but I think the biggest problem was that he veered into an abusive husband character. It made Sable a huge babyface but it made him seem like the biggest prick in wrestling. I recall going to a friend's house for the Over the Edge 1998 PPV and my friend's mom made sure to rant about how bad she hated Marc Mero and how she would make sure to NOT watch any segment or match he was involved in. That's negative heat, folks.
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Post by evilone on Feb 22, 2019 15:55:17 GMT -5
Had WWE wanted him to be a top star he would have been one. Sable or not it didn't matter, only the injury was a set back in terms of storyline going without him but that doesn't mean he couldn't have started a new hot program once he was back. Simply put he was much of a nice guy backstage who got his money and office didn't like that. By now that should be obvious, cause if you are nice guy that means you would get put into an angle to fulfil someone's demand and those with demands were usually the one who got to the top.
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Post by jason1980s on Feb 22, 2019 17:06:54 GMT -5
I think he was doomed from day one with the Marc Marrow mistake from Todd Pettengill.
Whatever happened years ago, he now makes an amazing livelihood as a motivational speaker in schools.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 17:08:32 GMT -5
Marc was a good worker(especially before his knee woes) but I don’t think that he was really a guy that you could build around and I think that Vince realized that after he was around for a while. Good solid IC level guy, but that’s about it.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Feb 22, 2019 17:21:02 GMT -5
I think he was doomed from day one with the Marc Marrow mistake from Todd Pettengill. Whatever happened years ago, he now makes an amazing livelihood as a motivational speaker in schools. I hadn't thought of Mero in a LONG time and then this week, I get this thread and he also had a nice Twitter exchange with Mick Foley, after Foley linked an article and gave him a shout-out for the work he does now. Nice to see after Foley absolutely buried Mero in his first book. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 1:58:21 GMT -5
Everything was fine for Mero till he got hurt in early 97 while he was out Sable got really over with the slammy’s bikini contest and modeling T-Shirts,inflatable chairs and coffins full of money add to that her pectoral development seemed to increase by the week and when Mero returned they immediately went with the jealousy angle.When you have a hot blonde who wants to strip for the fans and a guy that wants to cover her up and treated her like crap that‘s was instant heel heat which is very different from his brief partnership with Kimberly which only lasted 3 or 4 months and they weren’t a couple he saved her from ddp and offered to let her be his manager while she figured what she wanted to do with her life and then he was gone.Kim and Booty didn’t last long either as they got together made a month of nitro appearances then only appeared on the weekend shows mostly in squash matches so they weren’t a pushed act after the 1st month and by july they were done.Kim only managed DDP during his face run for a couple months before she became a nitro girl. I agree with all that. The point was that Cornette's assertion was baseless because there are plenty examples of babyfaces with female valets who got over as babyfaces. As you say, Mero and Sable were just fine until the injury and he started acting jealous of her. At that time, Sable's tits were more over than anybody else in the company, and Mero found himself in the inauspicious position of transitioning from the main attraction of their duo to a supporting player and eventually eclipsed entirely by T&A. There 1st 6 months were fine because it was all about pushing Marc as the big star then he won and lost the IC in under a month and it was all down hill from there as Sable closed out the year by winning the prestigious 1996 Milton Bradley Karate Fighters Holiday Tournament then 6 weeks into 97 Marc blows out his knee and is out till october meanwhile Sable getting ridiculously over by the time Marc comes back the company has decided that she’s the star and everything becomes about making her an even bigger star and Marc now being a heel with a new look and new more boring didn’t couldn’t overcome it. A babyface with a hot chick can work if she’s used to enhance him and make him a bigger star but when she’s pushed as the bigger deal the guy needs to be an overpowering personality like a Savage who no matter who’s he’s with he wouldn’t be overshadowed and Mero wasn’t that it didn’t take much to overshadow him and without him being pushed as the centerpiece of the act he had nothing. |
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Post by Perfect Timing on Feb 23, 2019 3:58:10 GMT -5
It was a shame he had to turn himself into such a generic heel after the injury. As a kid a marked for The Wildman. Sable helped the overall presentation but judging by his work in WCW I think he had some charisma but during his injury they pushed Sable very hard and she got over. It may not have worked out for him in the end but he was a good pick up and added a lot to their midcard division.
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Post by SirLucas on Feb 24, 2019 0:08:19 GMT -5
One problem Mero had is that it was impossible to not see him as Johnny B. Badd, especially early on in the Wildman run. I think the same can be said for Brutus the Barber Beekcake. No matter how many times they tried to repackage Ed Leslie, you could not see him as anybody other than Brutus. |
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Post by TGM on Feb 24, 2019 4:32:59 GMT -5
Because in 1998 he feuded exclusively with his wife. I can't remember him interacting with any male wrestlers in any meaningful way. He had a feud with Tom Brandi ffs.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Feb 24, 2019 7:47:13 GMT -5
the knee injury in 1997 really set him back
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 24, 2019 18:35:13 GMT -5
Because he was Marc Mero. No more adequate investigation required.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 25, 2019 3:39:44 GMT -5
Another problem was that he was only taught to act and behave like Johnny B Badd, when he had to improvise a new character he unfortunately failed.
He reminds me of how bad Damien Sandow failed when he was left to his own devices in tna.
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Post by Perfect Timing on Feb 26, 2019 16:17:34 GMT -5
Well Mero could f***ing work. Sandow was a joke in the ring.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 26, 2019 16:44:17 GMT -5
Mero wasn't great, but is still probably one of the most underrated guys in wrestling history because he gets shat on SO much by SO many people. Even Mick Foley!
That's the only time Mero's rubbing elbows with Flair, I tell you that much.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Feb 26, 2019 21:51:31 GMT -5
Fully succeed?
Did he even partially succeed?
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