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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 23, 2019 16:47:11 GMT -5
They might not have followed up with it well, but his actual heel turn was amazing and more brutal than Seth’s. The DDT came out of nowhere and I had the oh shit reaction, considering the heel turn was building up and not a single person thought that THAT night would be the night he turned. Then the attack after the ddt was brutal.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 23, 2019 16:49:51 GMT -5
I loved the turn itself. Thought it was great.
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Post by Fade on Feb 23, 2019 16:55:32 GMT -5
An incredible moment. Expertly done. A great call as to when and how. Dean played it to perfection. And even Seth reacted realistically in the moment. Can’t stress how awesome it was.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Feb 23, 2019 17:11:16 GMT -5
watched it more than any other in at LEAST half a decade, and one of THE most heartbreaking shots is dean punching the mat and HIS FACE at that precise moment
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Post by Doctor No on Feb 23, 2019 18:13:28 GMT -5
The turn itself is why the follow up story is so bad. They started with something so good and it went so wrong. Even the first week or two after wasn’t bad, Seth was overdoing it some on the mic but Dean staying silent worked. Then the dark times happened and Dean was all about “you people” promos, shots, “What’s that smell?!” and gas masks.
I’d be very interested in eventually hearing the story on who’s fingerprints are on the Dean heel turn follow up story the most, if anyone.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Feb 23, 2019 20:27:53 GMT -5
And how he seemed conflicted about it. Loved it.
My dad passed away that week, (It was expected), but I was out of town watching this episode, at my dad's/ stepmom's home.
I excused myself from all the chaos in the home to check out watch tv for a while by myself,away from everyone. I watched Raw and they had the Roman announcement. That was super sad. My sister cried and she knows nothing about wrestling.
Seeing Dean turn on Seth at the end of the show.... Oh man. And he was talking to himself, and he was upset. And then yelling at Seth and attacking him, but then again, seeming upset with himself. Really got to me.
His heel run was not good. His heel turn was great.
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Post by northernmonkey on Feb 23, 2019 23:03:44 GMT -5
The turn itself is why the follow up story is so bad. They started with something so good and it went so wrong. Even the first week or two after wasn’t bad, Seth was overdoing it some on the mic but Dean staying silent worked. Then the dark times happened and Dean was all about “you people” promos, shots, “What’s that smell?!” and gas masks. I’d be very interested in eventually hearing the story on who’s fingerprints are on the Dean heel turn follow up story the most, if anyone. The gimmick was he got needles in his butt and wore a gasmask because people were smelly so I think it was all Vince's ideas
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 23:23:39 GMT -5
Sad thing about it is that Ambrose had an idea for his heel character which he showed on that WWE Chronicles episode of him. The problem is the company didn't go with his idea of the heel turn, changed it up and in turn we got what we saw. Another example of guys not doing what they want to do.
I hope we see his idea of his heel character wherever he goes next because it has potential.
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Post by MrElijah on Feb 23, 2019 23:40:44 GMT -5
It was some real Crockett/Memphis inspired booking.
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Post by Chiral on Feb 24, 2019 0:09:24 GMT -5
Man when I first saw it I was like "ok THAT'S the WM35 Universal title match." WWE mostly just does gut punches as story moments but DAMN if that Dirty Deeds didn't hit harder than most of the random beloved face turns heel moments. Then....everything else in the feud happened.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 24, 2019 0:17:52 GMT -5
The problem is the company didn't go with his idea This is the problem with 99% of the characters that don't work in WWE. They don't ask the performer for input and then it never connects with the performer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 0:57:37 GMT -5
The problem is the company didn't go with his idea This is the problem with 99% of the characters that don't work in WWE. They don't ask the performer for input and then it never connects with the performer. Yep exactly. It's sad too because these stars are very creative and yet the company just doesn't listen to them.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 24, 2019 2:25:45 GMT -5
The WWE doesn't know how to book faces or heels anymore which is sad. On the surface they had an excellent story that could've potentially turned into an amazing blood feud between Seth and Dean. I know a lot of people feel Seth is a horrible babyface. However, if they booked him properly and had him act like a babyface it'd be a different story. I think the program of Seth embracing the fact that he deserved what happened, he knew it had to happen, and they could've built on him not fighting Ambrose while attempting to make peace with him.
With each part of the feud Ambrose could've became more sadistic, unpredictable, violent, and push Rollins to the point to where he has no choice but to fight him. The potential was there for them to create something amazing.
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Post by RedSmile on Feb 24, 2019 10:29:05 GMT -5
This company is more interested in booking for #MOMENTS and video packages than any sort of coherent or long term story. They always half-ass the follow-ups.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 11:22:54 GMT -5
Sad thing about it is that Ambrose had an idea for his heel character which he showed on that WWE Chronicles episode of him. The problem is the company didn't go with his idea of the heel turn, changed it up and in turn we got what we saw. Another example of guys not doing what they want to do. I hope we see his idea of his heel character wherever he goes next because it has potential. Did they say what the idea was?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 11:24:30 GMT -5
They should have ran with the story that Ambrose never truly forgave Seth for the turn in 2014. And that he only hung around with him for Roman’s sake.
But nah, let’s have him wear a gas mask and talk about how people stink. That’ll get over.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 11:51:38 GMT -5
Sad thing about it is that Ambrose had an idea for his heel character which he showed on that WWE Chronicles episode of him. The problem is the company didn't go with his idea of the heel turn, changed it up and in turn we got what we saw. Another example of guys not doing what they want to do. I hope we see his idea of his heel character wherever he goes next because it has potential. Did they say what the idea was? Less of that gas masked cleaning, action explaining, "yeah I hate you guys" thing he did and more of an old school "I don't gotta explain myself, leave me alone, this is in the past now" type of heel. In the documentary he talked a lot about how he loved wrestling and loved getting in the ring and just mixing it up too. I took it as basically he was going to be more of a straight old school heel who didn't take shit while WWE added all that extra stuff and had him explain everything he did. There were also some random lines in there that Ambrose broke character.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 12:03:58 GMT -5
Did they say what the idea was? Less of that gas masked cleaning, action explaining, "yeah I hate you guys" thing he did and more of an old school "I don't gotta explain myself, leave me alone, this is in the past now" type of heel. In the documentary he talked a lot about how he loved wrestling and loved getting in the ring and just mixing it up too. I took it as basically he was going to be more of a straight old school heel who didn't take shit while WWE added all that extra stuff and had him explain everything he did. There were also some random lines in there that Ambrose broke character.
The perplexing thing about Ambrose's split, is that it seems like all they had to do was let him perform how he wants to. You'd think the guy earned a little leeway to play around after all these years. Even if I'm ornery Vince McMahon, what's worth more to me? Dean Ambrose doing his own thing under my watch, even if I don't like it, or no Dean Ambrose at all? Vince gave CM Punk some wiggle room once he got burned out and it probably bought him a few extra years out of the guy that he wouldn't have had otherwise, and it's not like Ambrose has the mean streak that Punk had. Not that I mind because I'm far more excited about Ambrose outside of WWE than in it. Been watching a lot of Terry Funk lately and I'd love to see Ambrose as a Funk-like presence on the alternative scene.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 13:11:56 GMT -5
Less of that gas masked cleaning, action explaining, "yeah I hate you guys" thing he did and more of an old school "I don't gotta explain myself, leave me alone, this is in the past now" type of heel. In the documentary he talked a lot about how he loved wrestling and loved getting in the ring and just mixing it up too. I took it as basically he was going to be more of a straight old school heel who didn't take shit while WWE added all that extra stuff and had him explain everything he did. There were also some random lines in there that Ambrose broke character.
The perplexing thing about Ambrose's split, is that it seems like all they had to do was let him perform how he wants to. You'd think the guy earned a little leeway to play around after all these years. Even if I'm ornery Vince McMahon, what's worth more to me? Dean Ambrose doing his own thing under my watch, even if I don't like it, or no Dean Ambrose at all? Vince gave CM Punk some wiggle room once he got burned out and it probably bought him a few extra years out of the guy that he wouldn't have had otherwise, and it's not like Ambrose has the mean streak that Punk had. Not that I mind because I'm far more excited about Ambrose outside of WWE than in it. Been watching a lot of Terry Funk lately and I'd love to see Ambrose as a Funk-like presence on the alternative scene. Yeah it's wild because even guys like New Day where one of them bet their careers on their freedom (Xavier) that still wasn't enough for them to come out with their own WM idea as Kofi explained on the latest E&C podcast. They give guys some freedom promo-wise at times but Vince is too hands on with things. I know Ambrose can do what he wants with promos at times but pure characters like this, I read that Vince was really into that Ambrose heel turn/Rollins/Reigns and his leukemia thing so I guess that might be one thing to do with it but then again who knows. I mean they had Ambrose doing all of that hokey stuff for years and yet Ambrose hates it.
Ambrose outside of the WWE will definitely be much better. I can see him being similar to Funk. Maybe when Ambrose returns to WWE down the line it'll have more freedom for someone like him but we'll see.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 13:21:50 GMT -5
I should've known the feud itself was doomed when Seth showed up the next week not even selling the DDT on the floor, but the turn itself was great.
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