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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 24, 2019 7:59:42 GMT -5
What a mess this thing was. I remember when Christian York was on I was so excited the guy finally had something resembling a break I was going to vote for him even knowing it was a kayfabe poll. Then not being able to find anywhere online to vote and asking FAN about it only for no one here to know either. This despite voting still being advertised on TNA TV.
Some other thoughts:
*The first guy Alex Silva supposedly was supposed to not get signed, but Ric Flair as a judge went into business for himself and changed his vote from a no to a yes after the second judge said yes. I remember there were at least rumors that Dixie gave him a full-time job just because of that. If true there are better ways to handle this then giving someone a full-time job you don’t want to hire.
*Joey Ryan and the whole 87% thing. Honestly not the worst angle or idea. Shame, Ryan got so misused and was working with RVD shortly after at the height of RVD not giving a f***.
*Wes Brisco. Ughhhhh
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Post by Spider2024 on Feb 24, 2019 8:09:22 GMT -5
Just might've been THE worst way any company tried to mix realness with kayfabe. I've been waiting for WrestleCrap to tackle this in a full induction (or have they already? I don't check that site to frequently nowadays). Though it could also make for a good video for Wrestling With Wregret to do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 9:00:17 GMT -5
Christian York moved like a scuba diver. Underwater. In quicksand.
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Post by markymark on Feb 24, 2019 9:32:17 GMT -5
The 87% gimmick got Joey Ryan over, the issue was trying to put him in a feud with Tazz before retconning to feud with Al Snow.
Kris Lewie....whatever happened to him, his match vs Gunner was the male version of Melina vs Alicia Fox.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Feb 24, 2019 10:42:00 GMT -5
Remember when Bryan Alvarez broke his brain over who voted for Brian Cage and who voted for Jay Bradley?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 24, 2019 10:54:20 GMT -5
It's one of those ideas I can't even say was good in theory but bad in execution; in theory it was kinda weird and nonsensical too, especially with how allergic TNA was to actual fan input while constantly trying to find ways to seek fan input. A mess of contradictions made only worse by how they tried to blend kayfabe and reality in one of the worst ways: flat contract negotiation and talent evaluation. That just never makes for good TV.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 11:12:40 GMT -5
akward level like Brawl for All
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 24, 2019 11:43:59 GMT -5
I change my vote to yes!
Despite it being a major f*** up, it was very nice of Ric to give the guy some extra bookings and money.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 24, 2019 12:13:57 GMT -5
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Feb 24, 2019 14:43:56 GMT -5
Kris Lewie was one of the worst wrestlers I have ever seen.
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Post by Rave on Feb 24, 2019 15:28:44 GMT -5
This will never fail to piss me off. The GC site was taken down ages ago, but the Wayback Machine has much of it archived. Here's the main page to access their tryout lists. Their very first 2010 tryout had Jeff Cobb and Tommaso Ciampa, with a plethora of other decent talents populating most of the other tryouts. People like Ember Moon, Greg Iron, John Silver, Lionheart, Ethan HD, Facade, the RockNES Monsters (yes I know Yuma had a cup of coffee with 'em but I'm not counting that). If you cherry-picked that site, you could have the foundation of an excellent roster. Instead, they put Kris Lewie, legit one of the worst wrestlers I've ever seen, on TV.
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Post by chrom on Feb 24, 2019 17:01:21 GMT -5
Let's remember that the award of the guy who won the voting was to get destroyed in 30 seconds
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Feb 24, 2019 17:26:04 GMT -5
The 87% gimmick got Joey Ryan over, the issue was trying to put him in a feud with Tazz before retconning to feud with Al Snow. Kris Lewie....whatever happened to him, his match vs Gunner was the male version of Melina vs Alicia Fox. From everything I can see, Gutcheck was the end of that dude. He had ONE more match the next month, losing in a tag team match in some Tennessee indy, and then nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 17:26:06 GMT -5
This whole challenge was made just as an excuse (besides paying Ric Flair) to give Wes Brisco a reason to be on the TNA roster.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 24, 2019 17:40:11 GMT -5
It's one of those ideas I can't even say was good in theory but bad in execution; in theory it was kinda weird and nonsensical too, especially with how allergic TNA was to actual fan input while constantly trying to find ways to seek fan input. A mess of contradictions made only worse by how they tried to blend kayfabe and reality in one of the worst ways: flat contract negotiation and talent evaluation. That just never makes for good TV. They never got the "secret" of Taboo Tuesday/Cyber Sunday, which was that WWE would not mess with the results of the voting, but could reasonably expect to know what would win due to the choices having a clear fan favorite already. Like, "hmm, three possible special referees, Orton, HBK, and Stone Cold Steve Ausin, a guy they don't see weekly and who is heads and shoulders more popular than them both. Wonder who they'll pick?" I remember either Jericho or Shelton saying they legitimately didn't know they'd be having an IC title match, so if the voting was rigged, it was above their paygrade, and not really worth rigging if you're not even going to tell the workers the result.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 18:58:01 GMT -5
It's one of those ideas I can't even say was good in theory but bad in execution; in theory it was kinda weird and nonsensical too, especially with how allergic TNA was to actual fan input while constantly trying to find ways to seek fan input. A mess of contradictions made only worse by how they tried to blend kayfabe and reality in one of the worst ways: flat contract negotiation and talent evaluation. That just never makes for good TV. They never got the "secret" of Taboo Tuesday/Cyber Sunday, which was that WWE would not mess with the results of the voting, but could reasonably expect to know what would win due to the choices having a clear fan favorite already. Like, "hmm, three possible special referees, Orton, HBK, and Stone Cold Steve Ausin, a guy they don't see weekly and who is heads and shoulders more popular than them both. Wonder who they'll pick?" I remember either Jericho or Shelton saying they legitimately didn't know they'd be having an IC title match, so if the voting was rigged, it was above their paygrade, and not really worth rigging if you're not even going to tell the workers the result. And also WWE would generally leave themselves an out to do what they wanted to do if the voting didn't go as planned anyway. Keep pushing Snitsky / Kane as being built around a chair only for a chain to win the vote? Whatever, it's no DQ, just use the chair anyway. Want Kofi and Punk to have the tag titles but Cryme Tyme wins the vote? Whatever, Cryme Tyme loses and Kofi and Punk get their shot the next night instead.
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 24, 2019 19:03:53 GMT -5
The one that drove me completely insane was the Ivelisse vs. Lei'D Tapa match from Gut Check. Ivelisse tapped her out totally clean and looked impressive and then the judges picked Tapa instead! It goes to show you that they were horribly exposing the business (in a bad way) because any logical look at such a match result would mean that you'd pick Ivelisse. If they wanted to pick Tapa, why not book her to actually win and look impressive?
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 24, 2019 19:10:26 GMT -5
It's one of those ideas I can't even say was good in theory but bad in execution; in theory it was kinda weird and nonsensical too, especially with how allergic TNA was to actual fan input while constantly trying to find ways to seek fan input. A mess of contradictions made only worse by how they tried to blend kayfabe and reality in one of the worst ways: flat contract negotiation and talent evaluation. That just never makes for good TV. They never got the "secret" of Taboo Tuesday/Cyber Sunday, which was that WWE would not mess with the results of the voting, but could reasonably expect to know what would win due to the choices having a clear fan favorite already. Like, "hmm, three possible special referees, Orton, HBK, and Stone Cold Steve Ausin, a guy they don't see weekly and who is heads and shoulders more popular than them both. Wonder who they'll pick?" I remember either Jericho or Shelton saying they legitimately didn't know they'd be having an IC title match, so if the voting was rigged, it was above their paygrade, and not really worth rigging if you're not even going to tell the workers the result. Jericho vs Shelton was the common sense pick for their match, but they were also the opener, so no one knew exactly how voting was going to go, or if people were going to do something like troll vote Jonathan Coachman into the title match, since almost the entire Raw roster was eligible for the title match.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 24, 2019 19:17:20 GMT -5
I actually just saw Jay Bradley perform at a Steel Domain Wrestling show on Friday and he did great.
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Post by chrom on Feb 24, 2019 19:41:44 GMT -5
The one that drove me completely insane was the Ivelisse vs. Lei'D Tapa match from Gut Check. Ivelisse tapped her out totally clean and looked impressive and then the judges picked Tapa instead! It goes to show you that they were horribly exposing the business (in a bad way) because any logical look at such a match result would mean that you'd pick Ivelisse. If they wanted to pick Tapa, why not book her to actually win and look impressive? And Snow's justification for signing her? "She's taller than the rest"
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