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Post by Chuck Conry on Feb 26, 2019 3:22:57 GMT -5
As a kid, I always took notice of WCW branding SuperBrawl with a II, III, IV and so on. They never did do this with their BIG ppv Starrcade. So I was wondering if this was planned to be their WrestleMania in the long run? Did they think the NWA would somehow get the Starcade name or did they just want to try to make a fresh big ppv in the 90s? This also took place around the same time every year as the SuperBowl and might be a play on that. They never did seem to really put everything into Starrcade like they should have in the 90s imo.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 26, 2019 4:30:59 GMT -5
Good question, I'm not really sure. I know they got really lax on treating Starrcade with respect and booking it correctly. Like, for something that was supposedly their top show, they got real shit at building it to that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 9:49:15 GMT -5
I read somewhere that Eric Bischoff said he considered SuperBrawl to be their biggest show of the year due to the fact that he didn't like that StarrCade was in December.
StarrCade definitely lost a few notches in the 90's when they started using it for BattleBowl and other gimmicky ideas, while they seemed focused on building an elite card for SuperBrawl.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Feb 26, 2019 12:12:57 GMT -5
Halloween Havoc sometimes felt like it was WCW's biggest show of the year to me
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Post by salz4life on Feb 26, 2019 14:11:22 GMT -5
Halloween Havoc sometimes felt like it was WCW's biggest show of the year to me I've always heard Bischoff say that Havoc was what he thought was their biggest show of the year.
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Post by wildojinx on Feb 26, 2019 14:30:54 GMT -5
From 88-90, Great American Bash looked like it was meant to be WCW's biggest show. However, then you had the 1991 show and after that,,, ,
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 4:38:12 GMT -5
(I guess this is my cue.) I always thought Wrestle War felt like their biggest show of the year.
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Post by toodarkmark on Feb 27, 2019 4:56:19 GMT -5
(I guess this is my cue.) I always thought Wrestle War felt like their biggest show of the year. I was sure Slamboree was their biggest show. Hmph.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Feb 27, 2019 5:10:50 GMT -5
Funny how it was Bash at the beach that had their most significant moment in company history
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Post by chazraps on Feb 27, 2019 5:32:56 GMT -5
Halloween Havoc sometimes felt like it was WCW's biggest show of the year to me Havoc is kind of like what Heat Wave was to ECW - never the climax of the storylines per se, but very consistent in the high quality matches and memorable moments.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Feb 27, 2019 10:26:10 GMT -5
Saturday?!?!?!?!?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 27, 2019 22:27:18 GMT -5
The roman numerals made it look more like Super Bowl titles, which it already sounded similar to. I'm convinced that's why they went with it.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 1, 2019 2:36:23 GMT -5
The roman numerals made it look more like Super Bowl titles, which it already sounded similar to. I'm convinced that's why they went with it. Almost surprised NFL didn't try to cry foul, given how legendarily litigious they are, though I guess it'd have been enough of a stretch to where trying to take them to court held the risk of NFL losing and hurting their ability to strong arm people who so much as allude to the super bowl without their express permission.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 2:48:34 GMT -5
I always thought The Big Bang was WCW's biggest show of the year.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Mar 1, 2019 4:28:50 GMT -5
Uh, I always thought Road Wild was their biggest PPV of the year.
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Post by Celexa Bliss on Mar 1, 2019 8:16:29 GMT -5
Uh, I always thought Road Wild was their biggest PPV of the year. It always coincided with Sturgis and Hogan's birthday, so I'm pretty sure other people felt the same way lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 10:06:07 GMT -5
When the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast did their (excellent) Starrcade retrospective, they came to the conclusion that it had a lot to do with Jim Herd coming in from a non-wrestling perspective and really thinking that the cure-all for WCW’s struggles was to directly rip-off the WWF. He seems to have sort of been of the opinion that Starrcade had too much territorial era stink on it to be the centerpiece of a national promotion, so he scaled it back in favor of SuperBrawl, which evoked the NFL’s SuperBowl and was much more in accordance with the kind of PPV titles WWF was going with (hence the Roman numerals).
If you watch Starrcade 91 and 92 it’s all the unimportant Lethal Lottery stuff with heavy promotion of SuperBrawl. In that era, SuperBrawl was DEFINITELY intended to be the most important show. But, in 93, Bill watts had come in and, say what you will about his overall tenure and ability to adapt with the times, but he definitely pushed Starrcade back to a position of prominence. In fact, in my personal opinion, Vader/Flair from Cade ‘93 is probably the best match in Starrcade history.
Then, when Bischoff and later Russo came in, it was full-on crashTV, so the PPVs were secondary to the weekly shows and none was really more important or prestigious than the others. For example, Hogan just happened to form the NWO at BATB because it was the first big event after Hall and Nash had come in. I do think there was sort of a passing effort to make Starrcade the most important in this era, though, particularly since Sting/Hogan built for an entire calendar year to 1997.
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Post by cjh on Mar 1, 2019 10:32:08 GMT -5
When the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast did their (excellent) Starrcade retrospective, they came to the conclusion that it had a lot to do with Jim Herd coming in from a non-wrestling perspective and really thinking that the cure-all for WCW’s struggles was to directly rip-off the WWF. He seems to have sort of been of the opinion that Starrcade had too much territorial era stink on it to be the centerpiece of a national promotion, so he scaled it back in favor of SuperBrawl, which evoked the NFL’s SuperBowl and was much more in accordance with the kind of PPV titles WWF was going with (hence the Roman numerals). If you watch Starrcade 91 and 92 it’s all the unimportant Lethal Lottery stuff with heavy promotion of SuperBrawl. In that era, SuperBrawl was DEFINITELY intended to be the most important show. But, in 93, Bill watts had come in and, say what you will about his overall tenure and ability to adapt with the times, but he definitely pushed Starrcade back to a position of prominence. In fact, in my personal opinion, Vader/Flair from Cade ‘93 is probably the best match in Starrcade history.Watts was in charge from June 1992 to February 1993, so 1992's show with Great Muta winning Battle Bowl was the only Starrcade during his tenure. Flair/Vader a year later was booked by Dusty Rhodes, and I believe Bischoff was running WCW by then as that was around when he started reaching out to Hogan.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 10:43:46 GMT -5
When the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast did their (excellent) Starrcade retrospective, they came to the conclusion that it had a lot to do with Jim Herd coming in from a non-wrestling perspective and really thinking that the cure-all for WCW’s struggles was to directly rip-off the WWF. He seems to have sort of been of the opinion that Starrcade had too much territorial era stink on it to be the centerpiece of a national promotion, so he scaled it back in favor of SuperBrawl, which evoked the NFL’s SuperBowl and was much more in accordance with the kind of PPV titles WWF was going with (hence the Roman numerals). If you watch Starrcade 91 and 92 it’s all the unimportant Lethal Lottery stuff with heavy promotion of SuperBrawl. In that era, SuperBrawl was DEFINITELY intended to be the most important show. But, in 93, Bill watts had come in and, say what you will about his overall tenure and ability to adapt with the times, but he definitely pushed Starrcade back to a position of prominence. In fact, in my personal opinion, Vader/Flair from Cade ‘93 is probably the best match in Starrcade history.Watts was in charge from June 1992 to February 1993, so 1992's show with Great Muta winning Battle Bowl was the only Starrcade during his tenure. Flair/Vader a year later was booked by Dusty Rhodes, and I believe Bischoff was running WCW by then as that was around when he started reaching out to Hogan. My bad! I wasn’t a WCW a fan growing up and couldn’t remember the exact timeline, but that makes sense too. I just remember the podcast coming to the conclusion that Herd wanted SuperBrawl to be the biggest deal and the subsequent regimes kind of scaled it back.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Mar 1, 2019 10:49:12 GMT -5
Good question, I'm not really sure. I know they got really lax on treating Starrcade with respect and booking it correctly. Like, for something that was supposedly their top show, they got real shit at building it to that. Are you saying the build to Starrcade '94 was rubbish?! Shock and Awe!
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