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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 8, 2019 14:04:23 GMT -5
From what I've heard even though Nintendo doesn't advertise they give refunds, they usually do if you ask for it, so that isn't really that huge a deal. The Japanese launch event thing is interesting though. Apparently the Japanese side of the fandom has been especially vicious since the leaks, been a big backlash against Gamefreak and some sources are claiming Gamefreak's morale is very low right now. The is something I've been curious about as with all the various back and forth discussion and arguments here in the West; what exactly was the Japanese fanbase going through? Looks pretty heated apparently. Honestly I wonder if Game Freak/Pokemon Company had any PR plans for this or if the sheer scale of the backlash has caught them by surprise. I almost get the sense that this first true Gen 8 game was planned to be fairly basic with more advanced stuff coming later, only for the National Dex controversy to spill over and made what was supposed to be at worst, an unspectacular effort, into the lightning rod for every perceived sin the franchise has had from the last 10 years. And it all stemmed from that stupid animations comment. That was the thing that basically caused all of this, because without that people aren’t pouring over every single minute detail of the game presented with a fine-toothed comb and obsessing over every single flaw they see. And that was before all the shifts to the gameplay and quality of life(for both good and bad) started coming out. Once you added that, which came with their own back and forth discussions, on top of the already existing shitstorm, things got worse, and everything reached the breaking point once the leaks happened and we got the true Dex count and all hell broke loose.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 15:40:14 GMT -5
Apparently the TRs are actually much more of a grind than it seems like. {Spoiler}The 2,000 points per raid are just a once-per-day thing, otherwise you only get 200 per raid. That means even just to get one of the lower-end TRs you would need to do ten of them, and some of them go up to 5,000 points. Plus side is the raids can be done with AI.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 8, 2019 16:41:59 GMT -5
Apparently the TRs are actually much more of a grind than it seems like. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The 2,000 points per raid are just a once-per-day thing, otherwise you only get 200 per raid. That means even just to get one of the lower-end TRs you would need to do ten of them, and some of them go up to 5,000 points. Plus side is the raids can be done with AI. It is worse than even that.... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Really high tier TRs like Blizzard are actually 8000
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 8, 2019 17:09:29 GMT -5
Well, that's obnoxious. Being able to do it with AI helps, plus could see them doing double XP things or something, I guess. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Guess this is their version of move tutors, which I have never been keen on how they handle that.
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Post by H-Virus on Nov 8, 2019 18:27:43 GMT -5
Meh, if I want to grind for days to get special in-game currency in order to buy power-ups, I could save $60 and just play a mobile game.
Also, this video popped up in my Youtube recs and I thought I'd share it. Language warning.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Nov 8, 2019 19:09:09 GMT -5
I hope the negative reactions in Japan is finally a wake up call to Game Freak. The games have been going down in quality since X and Y. Pandering of Gen 1, low number of new Pokémon in each new region, hand holding, lack of post-game content, lazy animations and of course cutting out the National Dex.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 19:17:26 GMT -5
Really Gamefreak just has zero excuse for continuing to be as small a studio as they are. They make money hand over fist, start bringing in extra manpower so Pokemon can be a product worth the amount of money it brings in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 19:20:58 GMT -5
The only bright spot is that I commissioned a custom Allister plush to be made. Especially now that I know what he is under the mask.
Everything else has been... Ugh.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 8, 2019 19:54:00 GMT -5
Really Gamefreak just has zero excuse for continuing to be as small a studio as they are. They make money hand over fist, start bringing in extra manpower so Pokemon can be a product worth the amount of money it brings in. To make it worse they had the “genius” idea to take their already small manpower and split it, with roughly half the studio focusing on Little Town Hero instead, a game which has had an extremely divisive reception of its own.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 20:31:02 GMT -5
Another thing I seen online but apparently GF isnt giving out reviews copies until release date. That and they been C&D anyone who discusses the game before launch as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 20:36:48 GMT -5
Another thing I seen online but apparently GF isnt giving out reviews copies until release date. That and they been C&D anyone who discusses the game before launch as well. The review copy thing is especially baffling. The games are going to review great, Pokemon always does regardless of how good it actually is; not having that just means the initial word of mouth is only the negativity.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 8, 2019 20:54:53 GMT -5
Another thing I seen online but apparently GF isnt giving out reviews copies until release date. That and they been C&D anyone who discusses the game before launch as well. The review copy thing is especially baffling. The games are going to review great, Pokemon always does regardless of how good it actually is; not having that just means the initial word of mouth is only the negativity. And more worryingly, more and more withholding review copies like that is a sign that it is, if not an outright bad game, at least a heavily flawed one and they are worried about critical reviews damaging early sales.
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Post by burdette25159 on Nov 8, 2019 21:54:13 GMT -5
I feel bad for those who were going to the Japanese Launch Party, where whill they go now? Top another launch party (Shenmue 3 perhaps?)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 1:54:34 GMT -5
For some extra drama, you also can't mention Serebii right now without people throwing a fit. Which... I dunno. On one hand, yes, he's transparently kissing Gamefreak's ass at the moment and really being a total asshole attacking anyone who says anything at all negative about the game, despite the fact he initially complained about a bunch of this stuff himself before promptly deleting it and flying into defensive mode super suspiciously, but on the other hand, I really don't think that invalidates what a useful resource his site is and it is pretty clear he's feeling the need to be a bootlicker to stay in their good graces.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 9, 2019 2:15:32 GMT -5
This game would have to inject urine into my veins at this point to justify the level of toxicity being put out by a lot of the fan community at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 2:19:14 GMT -5
This game would have to inject urine into my veins at this point to justify the level of toxicity being put out by a lot of the fan community at this point. For me I'm... kind of weirdly riding the line on it. Like, I really agree with pretty much every criticism I've seen flung at the game at this point, but I've also already preloaded it and am looking forward to playing it. Really I think it's mostly just benefiting from 1), being able to easily replay it now due to the Switch supporting multiple files, 2), having a great lineup of new Pokemon, and 3), at least avoiding what was my worst case scenario of only having 300 Pokemon in the Dex, even if there still could and should have been a lot more than there are. I dunno. I really can't claim to have the slightest bit of sympathy for Gamefreak since they desperately need to get their shit together, as they've just been getting lazier and lazier ever since Gen 6, but I'm not raging at the game either.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 9, 2019 2:45:02 GMT -5
This game would have to inject urine into my veins at this point to justify the level of toxicity being put out by a lot of the fan community at this point. For me I'm... kind of weirdly riding the line on it. Like, I really agree with pretty much every criticism I've seen flung at the game at this point, but I've also already preloaded it and am looking forward to playing it. Really I think it's mostly just benefiting from 1), being able to easily replay it now due to the Switch supporting multiple files, 2), having a great lineup of new Pokemon, and 3), at least avoiding what was my worst case scenario of only having 300 Pokemon in the Dex, even if there still could and should have been a lot more than there are. I dunno. I really can't claim to have the slightest bit of sympathy for Gamefreak since they desperately need to get their shit together, as they've just been getting lazier and lazier ever since Gen 6, but I'm not raging at the game either. It's just, it's frustrating, sure, but it's also absolutely embarrassing to see some of the community attacking people over the games, especially ones comparing the National Dex stuff to political or religious struggles, and I wish I could take them aside to say, , dude, it's a video game, get a grip. So, if someone doesn't buy the game, sure, no sympathy for GF or Nintendo, I guess, but not the people who take it way too far.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 4:58:32 GMT -5
So this is pretty awesome, though it contains unannounced new Pokemon so watch out. {Spoiler} ![](https://i.imgur.com/4MKDjzy.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 12:29:46 GMT -5
For some extra drama, you also can't mention Serebii right now without people throwing a fit. Which... I dunno. On one hand, yes, he's transparently kissing Gamefreak's ass at the moment and really being a total asshole attacking anyone who says anything at all negative about the game, despite the fact he initially complained about a bunch of this stuff himself before promptly deleting it and flying into defensive mode super suspiciously, but on the other hand, I really don't think that invalidates what a useful resource his site is and it is pretty clear he's feeling the need to be a bootlicker to stay in their good graces. It kind of doesnt help that in a twitter post, he call himself the spokeperson for the American Pokemon Fandom like his opinion is the only one matter. Im still planning on getting the game but I understand where most people are coming from when it comes to the criticism of the game. I also think people are overreacting when it to the criticism. Like Im getting flashback from TNA and Sonic when people say any criticism is either "fake news" or just a "toxic mentality".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 14:28:23 GMT -5
So for a little more bad publicity, they've decided to respond to complaints over the Experience Share not being able to be turned off by going, "Well, then put all your Pokemon in the box besides the one you want to level up."
I'd never turn it off myself but it really is dumb as f*** that they thought removing the option was a good idea.
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