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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 13:41:16 GMT -5
They need to deliver big time in regards to this feud come Monday. They need to get the triple threat announced and they need to have a hell of a segment, or maybe an ongoing narrative throughout the show, to do it. They've already laid some groundwork with Charlotte coming looking to claim the title, that's an alright starting place, now they need to use it to restore the momentum to this storyline because it was already fading and it's going into overdrive fast.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 13:43:01 GMT -5
Charlotte's going to have to get this feud back on the rails because Ronda's dropped the ball and Becky's too full of herself with her social media antics.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 13:43:30 GMT -5
They need to deliver big time in regards to this feud come Monday. They need to get the triple threat announced and they need to have a hell of a segment, or maybe an ongoing narrative throughout the show, to do it. They've already laid some groundwork with Charlotte coming looking to claim the title, that's an alright starting place, now they need to use it to restore the momentum to this storyline because it was already fading and it's going into overdrive fast. "So what you're saying is we have Nia Jax claim the title and put her in the WM match as well? Goddammit pal, brilliant!"
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2019 13:47:48 GMT -5
Legitimately wouldn’t be surprised if Ronda said “If it wasn’t for this script right here, I’d have your arm broken in two!” Like... I’m a Ronda fan but surely she can’t be THAT dumb? It doesn’t take a genius to not acknowledge there’s a script. It’s like Robert Di Niro breaking character mid-scene and saying “Sorry director, can we do that again?” I went back and peeped the promo, yeah, Ronda said "you, me and everyone else here knows that I have the ability to kill you with my bare hands without breaking a sweat and the only thing stopping me is my decision not to." 2:50 Yeah, she said that. And that works to an extent if you want to keep the baddest bitch on the planet persona working BUT you can't just throw that out there and know you going to work a "regular wrestling match"
Ronda could most likely rip Becky's heart from her ass but that does nothing for this match whatsoever. Both of them are big corny for this whole shit and it shows why Charlotte was needed
Also as said earlier in the thread, WWE probably needs to put the clamps on social media because shit like this shouldn't go to this extent among other things wrestlers get away with (looking at Corey)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 13:47:52 GMT -5
Charlotte's going to have to get this feud back on the rail because Ronda's dropped the ball and Becky's too full of herself with her social media antics. I'd probably have a very long, very uncomfortable segment of her just beating the absolute hell out of both of them. The biggest issues with Charlotte in this angle at this point are that 1), being Becky's personal jobber for the past few months means she's not coming off as especially threatening, and 2), Rousey only seems to care about her insofar as seeing her as a minor pest. Having a segment where she basically just plain tortures the both of them would do a lot to refocus the feud and make it clear she's a very present danger to both of them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 13:51:32 GMT -5
Charlotte's going to have to get this feud back on the rail because Ronda's dropped the ball and Becky's too full of herself with her social media antics. I'd probably have a very long, very uncomfortable segment of her just beating the absolute hell out of both of them. The biggest issues with Charlotte in this angle at this point are that 1), being Becky's personal jobber for the past few months means she's not coming off as especially threatening, and 2), Rousey only seems to care about her insofar as seeing her as a minor pest. Having a segment where she basically just plain tortures the both of them would do a lot to refocus the feud and make it clear she's a very present danger to both of them. They should do it like Asuka on the go home SDL for TLC where they had her attack Becky and Charlotte with the kendo stick. Oh, and why hasn't Ronda shown up on SDL AT ALL since this whole thing started?
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Mar 1, 2019 13:53:03 GMT -5
Charlotte's going to have to get this feud back on the rails because Ronda's dropped the ball and Becky's too full of herself with her social media antics. Full of herself? C'mon now. WWE wants her to do this and not curse, that's the word going around. And she hasn't said anything worse than bitch, which WWE allows. You're trying to spread the blame when the blame is on Ronda for being out of control.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2019 13:53:07 GMT -5
Charlotte's going to have to get this feud back on the rail because Ronda's dropped the ball and Becky's too full of herself with her social media antics. I'd probably have a very long, very uncomfortable segment of her just beating the absolute hell out of both of them. The biggest issues with Charlotte in this angle at this point are that 1), being Becky's personal jobber for the past few months means she's not coming off as especially threatening, and 2), Rousey only seems to care about her insofar as seeing her as a minor pest. Having a segment where she basically just plain tortures the both of them would do a lot to refocus the feud and make it clear she's a very present danger to both of them. Yea, I wouldn't be surprised if Vince writes a segment for the next 2 weeks or so where Charlotte is made to look very strong and shut those 2 down to an extent. Becky is already due an ass whooping as she's been the one dishing them out and Ronda keeps getting whooped and it sells the fact she is in danger of losing her belt
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 1, 2019 13:54:57 GMT -5
I'd probably have a very long, very uncomfortable segment of her just beating the absolute hell out of both of them. The biggest issues with Charlotte in this angle at this point are that 1), being Becky's personal jobber for the past few months means she's not coming off as especially threatening, and 2), Rousey only seems to care about her insofar as seeing her as a minor pest. Having a segment where she basically just plain tortures the both of them would do a lot to refocus the feud and make it clear she's a very present danger to both of them. They should do it like Asuka on the go home SDL for TLC where they had her attack Becky and Charlotte with the kendo stick. Oh, and why hasn't Ronda shown up on SDL AT ALL since this whole thing started? She KNOWS she can't mess with Mandy Rose and she's not even gonna try!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 13:57:36 GMT -5
They should do it like Asuka on the go home SDL for TLC where they had her attack Becky and Charlotte with the kendo stick. Oh, and why hasn't Ronda shown up on SDL AT ALL since this whole thing started? She KNOWS she can't mess with Mandy Rose and she's not even gonna try!! No one's ready for Mandy Rose!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 14:00:31 GMT -5
And that works to an extent if you want to keep the baddest bitch on the planet persona working BUT you can't just throw that out there and know you going to work a "regular wrestling match" Ronda could most likely rip Becky's heart from her ass but that does nothing for this match whatsoever. Both of them are big corny for this whole shit and it shows why Charlotte was needed
Also as said earlier in the thread, WWE probably needs to put the clamps on social media because shit like this shouldn't go to this extent among other things wrestlers get away with (looking at Corey)
Yeah, I mean she said that and then week's later she's talking about how Becky's armbar isn't real lmao. After that she's saying that she's going off script and then saying Becky's going to need a lawyer. At that point it's like "ok, what are YOU really trying to do in this feud" because from our perspective you're trying to let everyone know that this here, this isn't real, it's a play and you're more focused on that rather than wanting us to believe that we're fully invested in an actual story as you're supposed to. This is exactly what we were saying about why Charlotte needed to be in here. Just imagine if for the past few weeks instead of a Charlotte promo we got a Ronda promo saying stuff like like this. It just doesn't work. Social media's become a bitch for these people and it was bad years ago but now these wrestlers are going ham.
Charlotte's going to have to get this feud back on the rail because Ronda's dropped the ball and Becky's too full of herself with her social media antics. I'd probably have a very long, very uncomfortable segment of her just beating the absolute hell out of both of them. The biggest issues with Charlotte in this angle at this point are that 1), being Becky's personal jobber for the past few months means she's not coming off as especially threatening, and 2), Rousey only seems to care about her insofar as seeing her as a minor pest. Having a segment where she basically just plain tortures the both of them would do a lot to refocus the feud and make it clear she's a very present danger to both of them. That'll happen sometime before WM but we're not sure when it'll happen. It needs to be Monday. Charlotte's the only one focused on the actual title and being the best right now.
Full of herself? C'mon now. WWE wants her to do this and not curse, that's the word going around. And she hasn't said anything worse than bitch, which WWE allows. You're trying to spread the blame when the blame is on Ronda for being out of control. Yeah Becky's full of herself and she's been full of herself for months now. The company wants these two to help promote the feud on Twitter as they want other feuds to do the same but they don't like the language used. Becky being full of herself goes hand in hand with that. You can promote a feud on Twitter without trying to embarrass your opponent like she's doing let alone given the story going on here is that Ronda's a face. Becky name-dropped Russo of all people with her response while antagonizing Ronda with that pic of her husband. Yeah Ronda had an issue and she's mostly to blame but to say Becky isn't part of the blame due to her being full of herself is false. She's been doing this against women in the division for months now, most weren't even talking to her and yet she jumps in. In this case Ronda says something, Becky responds, Ronda digs deeper, Becky responds again and the cycle continues.
So yeah, I'm putting some of the blame on Becky. Ring generals make themselves and their opponent look good and Ronda, she's ruining herself and this feud. Becky is not helping this feud one bit, she just continues to ruin Ronda which will only make Becky look worse. Rather than seeing where things were going and then thinking "alright, we gotta fix this" she just continues to poke Ronda. Nah, that's an issue of hers.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 1, 2019 14:00:57 GMT -5
Charlotte's going to have to get this feud back on the rails because Ronda's dropped the ball and Becky's too full of herself with her social media antics. Full of herself? C'mon now. WWE wants her to do this and not curse, that's the word going around. And she hasn't said anything worse than bitch, which WWE allows. You're trying to spread the blame when the blame is on Ronda for being out of control. Yeah outside of continuing giving the chance to Ronda to continue ruining this, I don't see how she shares in any blame here. This is on Ronda for dragging this down and busting out the HURR DURR IT'S FAKE SO YOU'RE LUCKY shit.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Mar 1, 2019 14:02:57 GMT -5
Full of herself? C'mon now. WWE wants her to do this and not curse, that's the word going around. And she hasn't said anything worse than bitch, which WWE allows. You're trying to spread the blame when the blame is on Ronda for being out of control. Yeah outside of continuing giving the chance to Ronda to continue ruining this, I don't see how she shares in any blame here. This is on Ronda for dragging this down and busting out the HURR DURR IT'S FAKE SO YOU'RE LUCKY shit. Full of herself. Not humble. The absolute worst kind of person.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 14:04:26 GMT -5
Full of herself? C'mon now. WWE wants her to do this and not curse, that's the word going around. And she hasn't said anything worse than bitch, which WWE allows. You're trying to spread the blame when the blame is on Ronda for being out of control. Yeah outside of continuing giving the chance to Ronda to continue ruining this, I don't see how she shares in any blame here. This is on Ronda for dragging this down and busting out the HURR DURR IT'S FAKE SO YOU'RE LUCKY shit. Ronda is the one who SHOULD be blamed, no doubt. If there's one thing Becky has been guilty of during the whole thing it's not being more of a general like @kn said. Really though, if Ronda wasn't so shitty this wouldn't be an issue. Becky's probably going soft on her if anything.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 1, 2019 14:05:54 GMT -5
Ronda's been a consistently divisive sort of figure; she came in with a lot of doubters, a lot of people who figured she'd be booked to kill their interest in the show, figured she would suck, or just didn't like her as a person to begin with. She ended up being pretty good and not being booked too insanely invincible, and even though her promos continued to get riffed on and her shit like weird interviews kept people down on her as a person, she seemed like she was doing well. Happy to be there, finding her groove, putting on some decent to good matches. She wasn't delivering any of the external results WWE wanted but she did very well within the world of WWE itself and it seemed like there was potential there. But now the darker side of things are showing more and more; the cracks were there around Survivor Series when this feud started and she went on her Millennial Man rants over and over again, because it was the unlikable real person bleeding into the character again and even those who could separate performer from performance were confronted by her on her bullshit again. But the idea of a big womens' main event and Becky being in it and all this stuff made for a situation people were ready to get into and believe in, because this and the Kofi thing are drumming up a lot of hope nad goodwill right now from a pretty cynical fanbase. It's different and exciting and it'll be so cool. Ronda's ruining that now with these kayfabe-breaking tweets and it's not just cornball embarrassment, it's her actively undermining the build to something people are legitimately excited for. She's committing the cardinal sin of wrestling with these comments, but I think she's actually committing an even worse one that's playing the big undercurrent to everything bothering people here: she's taking something people are excited for, and she's ruining it. It's one thing to be bad or disappointing or underdeliver; if you don't have your hopes up you can only be so hurt by something failing. But when you get someone to actually be happy and excited for something, get them to come out of their cynical shell and be genuinely interested in something that taps into why they love wrestling and rekindles their spark, and then you snuff that spark out, you're the dirt worst. And I think that's the big driving factor making people turn on this wholesale. There's really no separation between herself and her character anymore so that just further confused people who are on the fence about her. Yeah I can acknowledge you're a good wrestler but I hate what kind of person you are. Yeah, I can acknowledge who you're trying to be on screen but when you're being yourself then that on-screen character isn't really an "on-screen character" anymore. This whole Becky and Charlotte thing really damaged her to the point where I really don't want her interacting with them or interacting with anyone else on the roster especially given her attitude. She just cannot handle the crowd response and that impacts everything she does. How she looks, how she speaks, how she works in the ring, how she tweets, everything's connected to that. Given she can't accurately juggle what she needs to given that position, why should I care? Kofi's whole thing, see, THAT is the perfect WM feud. It's a natural storyline that fans gravitated to in a way that it makes everyone look good. Kofi is playing his part, Bryan's playing his part, New Day's playing their part, Owens is playing his part, Rowan, they're all doing their thing and it's great week in and week out. No social media wars, no breaking the fourth wall, none of that and yet we love it. Even the Lesnar/Rollins stuff, while it's been underwhelming, hasn't gone quite to this level quite yet and it's not being positioned as THE WM feud. Either way, Ronda's basically screwed it all up and the fact she actually dehyped a feud that people were already pretty invested in says something. People were dealing with the Charlotte negativity even if they didn't want it. People were still going "I'll see where this goes" or at least somewhat handling it. No one is dealing with this due to the different variables that Ronda's thrown this feud under the bus. If she was putting bits of herself into this while still showing something that was clearly still being a character, it'd be one thing. I think Becky's done a good job at integrating her sense of humour into her act in a way that's been focused on talking trash and feels like it's putting some of herself into her character. Charlotte's leaning into perceptions about her and what she does or doesn't deserve to further her heel persona. Hell, New Day are all about putting a ton of their nerdy stuff into their characters and it's what got them over in the first place, Bryan is playing an extremist version of his own beliefs, and Owens's whole thing is devotion to the family he actually has. All of those characters do well with integrating parts of themselves into their presentation and allowing that personality to influence their acts. But Ronda's not doing here, she's taken it too far and brought reality into this, and once we're on about how Ronda is about "real", we have to talk about the real Ronda. Even if we assume Ronda tweeted those things not because it's getting to her but because she thought it would genuinely add interest to this story and she wanted to go shooting because screw it she's a fan and she wanted to go for that shit. Everyone is taking it as Ronda being thin skinned, taking it as the cracks showing, taking it as the real Ronda rearing her ugly head and being a maladjusted disaster. The most charitable interpretation of this is still a massive backfire that sees her completely missing the mark and turning the conversation into the unfavorable kind of real that's making people turn on this whole situation. There's no real life edge to this match, and her trying to bring real life into it is a massive stumbling block that makes her look worse for it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2019 14:06:16 GMT -5
And that works to an extent if you want to keep the baddest bitch on the planet persona working BUT you can't just throw that out there and know you going to work a "regular wrestling match" Ronda could most likely rip Becky's heart from her ass but that does nothing for this match whatsoever. Both of them are big corny for this whole shit and it shows why Charlotte was needed
Also as said earlier in the thread, WWE probably needs to put the clamps on social media because shit like this shouldn't go to this extent among other things wrestlers get away with (looking at Corey)
Yeah, I mean she said that and then week's later she's talking about how Becky's armbar isn't real lmao. After that she's saying that she's going off script and then saying Becky's going to need a lawyer. At that point it's like "ok, what are YOU really trying to do in this feud" because from our perspective you're trying to let everyone know that this here, this isn't real, it's a play and you're more focused on that rather than wanting us to believe that we're fully invested in an actual story as you're supposed to. This is exactly what we were saying about why Charlotte needed to be in here. Just imagine if for the past few weeks instead of a Charlotte promo we got a Ronda promo saying stuff like like this. It just doesn't work. Social media's become a bitch for these people and it was bad years ago but now these wrestlers are going ham.
I'd probably have a very long, very uncomfortable segment of her just beating the absolute hell out of both of them. The biggest issues with Charlotte in this angle at this point are that 1), being Becky's personal jobber for the past few months means she's not coming off as especially threatening, and 2), Rousey only seems to care about her insofar as seeing her as a minor pest. Having a segment where she basically just plain tortures the both of them would do a lot to refocus the feud and make it clear she's a very present danger to both of them. That'll happen sometime before WM but we're not sure when it'll happen. It needs to be Monday. Charlotte's the only one focused on the actual title and being the best right now.
Full of herself? C'mon now. WWE wants her to do this and not curse, that's the word going around. And she hasn't said anything worse than bitch, which WWE allows. You're trying to spread the blame when the blame is on Ronda for being out of control. Yeah Becky's full of herself and she's been full of herself for months now. The company wants these two to help promote the feud on Twitter as want other feuds to do the same but they don't like the language used. Becky being full of herself goes hand in hand with that. You can promote a feud on Twitter without trying to embarrass your opponent like she's doing let alone given the story going on here is that Ronda's a face. Becky name-dropped Russo of all people with her response while antagonizing Ronda with that pic of her husband. Yeah Ronda had an issue but to say Becky isn't part of the blame due to her being full of herself is false.
She's been doing this against women in the division for months now, most weren't even talking to her and yet she jumps in.
So yeah, I'm putting some of the blame on Becky. Ring generals make themselves and their opponent look good and Ronda, she's ruining herself and this feud. Becky is not helping this feud one bit, she just continues to ruin Ronda which will only make Becky look worse.
Yea, this speaks exactly why Charlotte was needed. Can you imagine if these two got in the ring and trying do too much and f*** shit up. As said from jump Charlotte is here to steer the ship and make sure shit stays on course
Also I do agree Becky is full of herself. After a point you have made Ronda look bad as bad can be so why are you still going along with this? It's not like she doesn't know better because she's been doing this for months but it's been lowkey funny and cool because she was building her profile up. Yes, you are getting yourself over but Ronda looks like a big chump and you're not making yourself look any better by continuing to beat a dead horse. She's getting herself over but the match is suffering big time so yeah Thank God for Charlotte because if these two were the main event you're asking for a potential train wreck as both are trying too hard
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 1, 2019 14:07:49 GMT -5
Ronda's been a consistently divisive sort of figure; she came in with a lot of doubters, a lot of people who figured she'd be booked to kill their interest in the show, figured she would suck, or just didn't like her as a person to begin with. She ended up being pretty good and not being booked too insanely invincible, and even though her promos continued to get riffed on and her shit like weird interviews kept people down on her as a person, she seemed like she was doing well. Happy to be there, finding her groove, putting on some decent to good matches. She wasn't delivering any of the external results WWE wanted but she did very well within the world of WWE itself and it seemed like there was potential there. But now the darker side of things are showing more and more; the cracks were there around Survivor Series when this feud started and she went on her Millennial Man rants over and over again, because it was the unlikable real person bleeding into the character again and even those who could separate performer from performance were confronted by her on her bullshit again. But the idea of a big womens' main event and Becky being in it and all this stuff made for a situation people were ready to get into and believe in, because this and the Kofi thing are drumming up a lot of hope nad goodwill right now from a pretty cynical fanbase. It's different and exciting and it'll be so cool. Ronda's ruining that now with these kayfabe-breaking tweets and it's not just cornball embarrassment, it's her actively undermining the build to something people are legitimately excited for. She's committing the cardinal sin of wrestling with these comments, but I think she's actually committing an even worse one that's playing the big undercurrent to everything bothering people here: she's taking something people are excited for, and she's ruining it. It's one thing to be bad or disappointing or underdeliver; if you don't have your hopes up you can only be so hurt by something failing. But when you get someone to actually be happy and excited for something, get them to come out of their cynical shell and be genuinely interested in something that taps into why they love wrestling and rekindles their spark, and then you snuff that spark out, you're the dirt worst. And I think that's the big driving factor making people turn on this wholesale. There's really no separation between herself and her character anymore so that just further confused people who are on the fence about her. Yeah I can acknowledge you're a good wrestler but I hate what kind of person you are. Yeah, I can acknowledge who you're trying to be on screen but when you're being yourself then that on-screen character isn't really an "on-screen character" anymore. This whole Becky and Charlotte thing really damaged her to the point where I really don't want her interacting with them or interacting with anyone else on the roster especially given her attitude. She just cannot handle the crowd response and that impacts everything she does. How she looks, how she speaks, how she works in the ring, how she tweets, everything's connected to that. Given she can't accurately juggle what she needs to given that position, why should I care? Kofi's whole thing, see, THAT is the perfect WM feud. It's a natural storyline that fans gravitated to in a way that it makes everyone look good. Kofi is playing his part, Bryan's playing his part, New Day's playing their part, Owens is playing his part, Rowan, they're all doing their thing and it's great week in and week out. No social media wars, no breaking the fourth wall, none of that and yet we love it. Even the Lesnar/Rollins stuff, while it's been underwhelming, hasn't gone quite to this level quite yet and it's not being positioned as THE WM feud. Either way, Ronda's basically screwed it all up and the fact she actually dehyped a feud that people were already pretty invested in says something. People were dealing with the Charlotte negativity even if they didn't want it. People were still going "I'll see where this goes" or at least somewhat handling it. No one is dealing with this due to the different variables that Ronda's thrown this feud under the bus.
Legitimately wouldn’t be surprised if Ronda said “If it wasn’t for this script right here, I’d have your arm broken in two!” Like... I’m a Ronda fan but surely she can’t be THAT dumb? It doesn’t take a genius to not acknowledge there’s a script. It’s like Robert Di Niro breaking character mid-scene and saying “Sorry director, can we do that again?” I went back and peeped the promo, yeah, Ronda said "you, me and everyone else here knows that I have the ability to kill you with my bare hands without breaking a sweat and the only thing stopping me is my decision not to." 2:50 Yeah, she said that. In Ronda's defense, thats a great line, because shes saying she can tear Becky apart without stepping out of the kayfabe canon. If she had said the only thing stopping her was the script it wouldnt work. Like the stupid tweet about the Disarm-her not hurting. You can say anything you want, you can make yourself sound like the baddest person on the planet, BUT TREAT EVERYTHING YOU SAY AS REAL, WRESTLING IN ITS ENTIRETY IS A WORKED SHOOT. The whole point if that they're going to fight each other at WrestleMania to determine who the best female wrestler in the world is. Because if you dont treat wrestling as if its real, the fans dont either.
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 1, 2019 14:10:30 GMT -5
And for anyone who followed Ronda's MMA career, shes actually pretty easily "gotten to". Miesha Tate drove her nuts to the point where their season as coaches of The Ultimate Fighter made her look like a total dick. Shes actually a pretty weak trash talker when someone else has the balls to trade with them. She just happened to be a stylistic nightmare for Tate in the cage. And Bethe Correia was complete shit when they fought as well.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Mar 1, 2019 14:14:11 GMT -5
Yeah WWE isn't happy with this. Welp. Becky didn't use any vulgarities, it was all golden Ronda, wasn't it? Yep, Becky didn't a single vulgar word, twas all Ronnie.
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Post by repomark on Mar 1, 2019 14:14:25 GMT -5
Wow this went south fast!
Just to throw it out into the pot of “what if” - is there any chance WWE fed Ronda the line in a misguided attempt to make it seem as though she might go off script at mania? That she thinks she is above WWE and should be hated? Or to make it seem more “real”? Or to create buzz?
I really don’t know anymore who is working me to be honest - which can be a good thing or a bad thing. It wouldn’t be hard for WWE to leak that they are mad at the whole exchange to try and make it seem even more “real” even if they were fully behind it. And it would also make it seem like the first women’s main event at mania is in jeopardy?
That said, unless they are going full heel with Ronda even that flawed logic makes no sense.
Have to say I am still very interested in the match and looking forward to Becky tapping her out. So I am just gonna grab some popcorn and enjoy the chaos as it unfolds.
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