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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 16:23:28 GMT -5
The fact she still able to roast Ronda on a weekly basis and not suffer any ass whoopings from Charlotte or Ronda should show people how much WWE values her right now
She is Roman at this point
Roman was there without fan support. The comparison doesn't work. And last time Becky talked mad shit she got made to tap in-ring by Asuka. She did own Charlotte, but if anyone can afford to get owned with the way she's been booked over the years it's her. I get it though, I don't want to get sick of Becky so the concerns about her possibly becoming the new Chosen One are valid.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 16:23:39 GMT -5
Watch Becky become Roman Reigns circa 2015-2017 in 2019. If she starts putting on boring matches and promos like Roman did, maybe. There are people here who actually wanted Roman to be treated the way Becky is right now, at least on TV, as an ass kicker. I'm talking about in being protected rather than match quality and promos. Those are debatables but we can check win loss records. Since Becky's heel turn she's only had 1 clean loss which is against Asuka at the Rumble. Any other loss she's had has been due to shenanigans. That's some Roman booking. I'll even say on a week to week basis Roman's looked worse than Becky given Roman usually got beaten up by the heels prior to the ppv match while Becky's usually the one getting the upperhand most times.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2019 16:24:28 GMT -5
The fact she still able to roast Ronda on a weekly basis and not suffer any ass whoopings from Charlotte or Ronda should show people how much WWE values her right now
She is Roman at this point
I forgot where I read it but I read something weeks ago that Vince thinks as Becky as "The Chosen One" now which is why she's able to do what she's able to do. Months ago I read that Vince was using Becky as an example as someone who's grabbing the brass ring and then on her birthday Vince said something on Twitter about her and she straight up said "yeah I got that shit" on twitter. People are just scared due to how others have been treated but honestly since Reigns Becky's been the next to in line. Charlotte wasn't even this protected. Charlotte took L's but no matter how many L's she took she was always a win away from getting the title and holding it for a bit. Charlotte got soo many f***ing reigns due to always being in position to take an L and bounce right back
Becky right now is at a point where her cleanest L is to Asuka which got negated due to the Rumble win and we are almost at a 6 month period if not more that she's been this hot. She switched over to the babyface/tweener side since about November but it has all remained the same.
In wrestling you can talk shit but you do have to give back a bit but she's on Ace Number 1 status where she is teflon right now
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Post by tenshi on Mar 1, 2019 16:24:33 GMT -5
This is like in GM Mode in the old SmackDown vs Raw games where the feud has a thumbs up from the crowd but now has a thumbs down.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 1, 2019 16:25:21 GMT -5
If she starts putting on boring matches and promos like Roman did, maybe. There are people here who actually wanted Roman to be treated the way Becky is right now, at least on TV, as an ass kicker. I'm talking about in being protected rather than match quality and promos. Since Becky's heel turn she's only had 1 clean loss which is against Asuka at the Rumble. Any other loss she's had has been due to shenanigans. That's some Roman booking. Not really. The fans WANT her to win. Exact opposite of Roman.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 1, 2019 16:25:47 GMT -5
The fact she still able to roast Ronda on a weekly basis and not suffer any ass whoopings from Charlotte or Ronda should show people how much WWE values her right now
She is Roman at this point
Roman was there without fan support. The comparison doesn't work. And last time Becky talked mad shit she got made to tap in-ring by Asuka. It also doesn't work because Becky is entertaining.
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Post by tenshi on Mar 1, 2019 16:26:20 GMT -5
If Becky is Roman,I treat all their Romans/Chosen ones like this. The biggest flaw in the feud right now from her booking,is that she is not getting mic time on TV. But she shows weaknesses and loses cleans sometimes while still looking like THE MAN. Roman had setbacks from day one of his solo push. Becky has been loved pretty much all of her run. talent and likebility can affect your opinions of a wrestler regardless if they are pushed a lot. Becky hasn't wrestled since Royal Rumble, where Asuka beat her and then everyone proceeded to ignore that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 16:28:05 GMT -5
If she starts putting on boring matches and promos like Roman did, maybe. There are people here who actually wanted Roman to be treated the way Becky is right now, at least on TV, as an ass kicker. I'm talking about in being protected rather than match quality and promos. Since Becky's heel turn she's only had 1 clean loss which is against Asuka at the Rumble. Any other loss she's had has been due to shenanigans. That's some Roman booking. The way he was booked contributed, sure, but a huge part of Roman's backlash was because he wasn't good enough on the mic or in the ring to get that push. Becky doesn't really have those concerns (especially not on the mic). If you're building to Becky beating Ronda (and Charlotte) in the main event of WM, of course you're going to make her look like a badass.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2019 16:29:11 GMT -5
The fact she still able to roast Ronda on a weekly basis and not suffer any ass whoopings from Charlotte or Ronda should show people how much WWE values her right now
She is Roman at this point
Roman was there without fan support. The comparison doesn't work. And last time Becky talked mad shit she got made to tap in-ring by Asuka. Well, Roman in regards to you are the number 1 guy/girl and you are going to get the booking according to that designation
But yes, the most important factor is likeability and fan support
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2019 16:30:49 GMT -5
I'm talking about in being protected rather than match quality and promos. Since Becky's heel turn she's only had 1 clean loss which is against Asuka at the Rumble. Any other loss she's had has been due to shenanigans. That's some Roman booking. The way he was booked contributed, sure, but a huge part of Roman's backlash was because he wasn't good enough on the mic or in the ring to get that push. Becky doesn't really have those concerns (especially not on the mic). Tho there can be too much of a good thing (See Strowman)
The fine line is being a bad ass but still having the aura of anything can happen because if it is too lopsided and predictable the fans will start to turn left
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Post by darbus alan on Mar 1, 2019 16:32:06 GMT -5
Roman started losing fan support when he was out on a legitimate injury (versus Becky's worked injury which I still don't know why this is a thing) yet was still treated like he was the Second Coming of John Cena and got pushed immediately into the WWE title scene without any buildup or fan support. And it's not like Becky is winning squash matches or anything. She even had a competitive match against one of the IIconics one-on-one that made uh... one of them look good for a bit. And the IIconics as singles wrestlers are basically jobbers at this point.
I get Becky getting backlash for how this feud's going so far, especially since she's not doing Rousey any favors (though Rousey certainly isn't doing herself any favors and she's the one really dragging this feud down). But I'm not on board for this Becky is becoming Roman hot take.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 16:32:27 GMT -5
The way he was booked contributed, sure, but a huge part of Roman's backlash was because he wasn't good enough on the mic or in the ring to get that push. Becky doesn't really have those concerns (especially not on the mic). Tho there can be too much of a good thing (See Strowman) The fine line is being a bad ass but still having the aura of anything can happen because if it is too lopsided and predictable the fans will start to turn left
Completely agreed, with you guys on that one. I hope they use Becky's popularity after WM to give the rub to up and comers like Ruby. She's shown she can bounce back from losses.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 1, 2019 16:34:42 GMT -5
Roman was there without fan support. The comparison doesn't work. And last time Becky talked mad shit she got made to tap in-ring by Asuka. Well, Roman in regards to you are the number 1 guy/girl and you are going to get the booking according to that designation
But yes, the most important factor is likeability and fan support
I still disagree. she's got the most focus due to fan's demanding it but I feel the women's booking is avoiding the "ace" trap rather well. I wouldn't rank anyone above the others between Becky, Ronda, and Charlotte (which is another reason I want her in the triple threat so much). Nia isn't too far behind in terms of how she's treated as a threat and Asuka and Alexa are in and out of that top rank too. The female singles division is strong as f*** and that's due to so many girls being leveled up evenly or being believable to be leveled up in a quickness if needed. I gotta disagree with you and kn's Roman assessment 100%.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 16:35:02 GMT -5
Charlotte took L's but no matter how many L's she took she was always a win away from getting the title and holding it for a bit. Charlotte got soo many f***ing reigns due to always being in position to take an L and bounce right back
Becky right now is at a point where her cleanest L is to Asuka which got negated due to the Rumble win and we are almost at a 6 month period if not more that she's been this hot. She switched over to the babyface/tweener side since about November but it has all remained the same.
In wrestling you can talk shit but you do have to give back a bit but she's on Ace Number 1 status where she is teflon right now
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh. Becky's walking around with a bulletproof vest right now. She's untouchable. The the booking they want all their mega-faces to have when it comes to wins and losses. She's got that in spades. I'm talking about in being protected rather than match quality and promos. Since Becky's heel turn she's only had 1 clean loss which is against Asuka at the Rumble. Any other loss she's had has been due to shenanigans. That's some Roman booking. Not really. The fans WANT her to win. Exact opposite of Roman. I'm not talking about who wants to win, I'm talking about match results and if we go by match results that's accurate. We can look at other variables and say "well, if we look at this and that then she's not Roman" but if we look at how many losses she's had and how protected she is we can see the comparisons. It makes sense given who she is and her position in this company.
This isn't about Becky's in-ring work, promo skills or even fan support, this is purely about Becky being protected.
The way he was booked contributed, sure, but a huge part of Roman's backlash was because he wasn't good enough on the mic or in the ring to get that push. Becky doesn't really have those concerns (especially not on the mic). If you're building to Becky beating Ronda (and Charlotte) in the main event of WM, of course you're going to make her look like a badass. I'm not even talking about Roman's mic skills, how he was in the ring or how he got that push. I'm strictly talking about wins and losses here and how these characters are when it comes to being protected.
Becky's protected to such a high degree and yeah we know why, because she's "The Guy/Man" which makes sense given the last one we had was Roman.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 1, 2019 16:36:28 GMT -5
Charlotte took L's but no matter how many L's she took she was always a win away from getting the title and holding it for a bit. Charlotte got soo many f***ing reigns due to always being in position to take an L and bounce right back
Becky right now is at a point where her cleanest L is to Asuka which got negated due to the Rumble win and we are almost at a 6 month period if not more that she's been this hot. She switched over to the babyface/tweener side since about November but it has all remained the same.
In wrestling you can talk shit but you do have to give back a bit but she's on Ace Number 1 status where she is teflon right now
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh. Becky's walking around with a bulletproof vest right now. She's untouchable. The the booking they want all their mega-faces to have when it comes to wins and losses. She's got that in spades. Not really. The fans WANT her to win. Exact opposite of Roman. I'm not talking about who wants to win, I'm talking about match results and if we go by match results that's accurate.We can look at other variables and say "well, if we look at this and that then she's not Roman" but if we look at how many losses she's had and how protected she is we can see the comparisons. It makes sense given who she is and her position in this company.
The way he was booked contributed, sure, but a huge part of Roman's backlash was because he wasn't good enough on the mic or in the ring to get that push. Becky doesn't really have those concerns (especially not on the mic). If you're building to Becky beating Ronda (and Charlotte) in the main event of WM, of course you're going to make her look like a badass. I'm not even talking about Roman's mic skills, how he was in the ring or how he got that push. I'm strictly talking about wins and losses here and how these characters are when it comes to being protected.
Becky's protected to such a high degree and yeah we know why, because she's "The Guy/Man" which makes sense given the last one we had was Roman.
Asuka shut Becky up definitively for talking shit in Becky's last program.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2019 16:36:42 GMT -5
Tho there can be too much of a good thing (See Strowman) The fine line is being a bad ass but still having the aura of anything can happen because if it is too lopsided and predictable the fans will start to turn left
Completely agreed, with you guys on that one. I hope they use Becky's popularity after WM to give the rub to up and comers like Ruby. She's shown she can bounce back from losses. I think Becky will be better in the chaser role than the champ role. Like I project her winning the title, getting a few defenses and losing it to someone like Ruby via Money in The Bank
Charlotte and Asuka are the only two comparable women next to her, and unless Raw keeps Charlotte she will be having to face "lesser competition" like Nia, Natalya, Mickie James and they could all be compelling feuds but she's steamrolling them. Tho I will say in the case of Nia, you can have her and Tamina stack the odds
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2019 16:39:28 GMT -5
Well, Roman in regards to you are the number 1 guy/girl and you are going to get the booking according to that designation
But yes, the most important factor is likeability and fan support
I still disagree. she's got the most focus due to fan's demanding it but I feel the women's booking is avoiding the "ace" trap rather well. I wouldn't rank anyone above the others between Becky, Ronda, and Charlotte (which is another reason I want her in the triple threat so much). Nia isn't too far behind in terms of how she's treated as a threat and Asuka and Alexa are in and out of that top rank too. The female singles division is strong as f*** and that's due to so many girls being leveled up evenly or being believable to be leveled up in a quickness if needed. I gotta disagree with you and kn's Roman assessment 100%. The women are def strong as f*** there is no denying that, which is why they are the best parts of the show
Also I don't deny she has risen up to fan demand because that's crazy but I do think the "Ace" label is there in the same way Charlotte got it
But yes, we will have to agree to disagree about the Roman assessment
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 16:40:50 GMT -5
Asuka shut Becky up definitively for talking shit in Becky's last program. Which goes back to what we said about Becky immediately winning the Rumble which keeps her protected. It's similar to Reigns taking an L but then he immediately got something after to make up for the L he got. It's the whole "guy loses a match earlier on in the day but then wins something later on" or "guy loses something but then wins something else to make up for the loss" thing that they do all the time because at the end of that event you're not going to look at the loss, you'll look at the win.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 16:41:20 GMT -5
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh. Becky's walking around with a bulletproof vest right now. She's untouchable. The the booking they want all their mega-faces to have when it comes to wins and losses. She's got that in spades. I'm not talking about who wants to win, I'm talking about match results and if we go by match results that's accurate.We can look at other variables and say "well, if we look at this and that then she's not Roman" but if we look at how many losses she's had and how protected she is we can see the comparisons. It makes sense given who she is and her position in this company.
I'm not even talking about Roman's mic skills, how he was in the ring or how he got that push. I'm strictly talking about wins and losses here and how these characters are when it comes to being protected.
Becky's protected to such a high degree and yeah we know why, because she's "The Guy/Man" which makes sense given the last one we had was Roman.
Asuka shut Becky up definitively for talking shit in Becky's last program. The fact they've gone back to not giving a shit about Asuka like they did after her streak ended says more about how they view Asuka than anything, sadly.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 1, 2019 16:46:03 GMT -5
Asuka shut Becky up definitively for talking shit in Becky's last program. The fact they've gone back to not giving a shit about Asuka like they did after her streak ended says more about how they view Asuka than anything, sadly. She's (hopefully) only one program away from being a focus. I wouldn't count anything against any of the ladies right now because you can tell backstage is all focused on only Becky Ronda and Charlotte. No other woman is getting any singles love at all because WWE struggles with plate spinning. It's after Mania where we see what's next that we'll hafta start panicing about getting left behind. Luckily there's tag belts now to help keep some things changing up a tad.
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