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Post by evilone on Mar 2, 2019 7:47:13 GMT -5
It takes huge amounts of natural talent to have a career of Bulldog while being high as hell all the time. I guarantee you that 99% of them would not be able to pull that off.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Mar 2, 2019 8:02:53 GMT -5
He should have been wwf champion during Shawn's reign. Even if it was a brief reign, he was over enough to get a run like Sid did.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 2, 2019 8:51:19 GMT -5
Yes for the most part. He had a great midcard run, made a bunch of money which wasn't bad for someone who couldn't cut a great promo. The only what if is his final WWF run, what if he hadn't gotten messed up by warrior's idiotic trap door? He'd have put in better performances, that's for sure.
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Post by clodhopper on Mar 2, 2019 9:36:47 GMT -5
I like to imagine an alternate universe exists where he got totally clean and had a concurrent resurgence with HBK in the aughts. Those two were made to wrestle each other. Did he ever actually have a win over Michaels? In my memory, all I can remember is him constantly being on the losing end - losing IC title, European title (in England no less) and tag titles to Michaels, as well as Micheals eliminating him from the 95 and 96 rumbles. As someone who liked Davey a lot and could not (and cannot) stand Shawn Michaels, this always bugged me.
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 2, 2019 11:01:40 GMT -5
100% agree. I did see an old Coliseum tape where Bulldog got a DQ win over Shawn in 1992 when Sherri interfered. But that's about it. It's like a non money drawing version of Hogan/Savage in that regard. It's a real problem I always had with Shawn Michaels vs. a bunch of dudes. As in why would he win? Obviously he was booked to do so, but if this was in fact a legit fight what could he possibly do to Davey Boy Smith to beat him? Or Vader? Or Sid? Diesel? The guy was out there doing a weak looking side kick and supposedly putting down 300 lb. men or 7 ft. dudes with it. Add in his male stripper act gimmick and was it any wonder a bunch of 18-34 guys tuned into Nitro during his title run?
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Post by Milkman Norm on Mar 2, 2019 11:15:53 GMT -5
I think he could have been a short time world champion. He wouldn't have drawn any worse than the other mid 90's champions. That being said I think his legacy is pretty solid and even had he been able to stay clean I don't think he was gonna be the next big thing. His size was always gonna be a limitation and while he was a good worker before he roided the hell up he was not as dynamic (no pun intended) as his tag team partner or a ring general like his brothers in law.
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Post by zappa on Mar 2, 2019 14:22:21 GMT -5
1 of the best midcarders ever. Couldn't cut a promo but his ringwork was good when sober, plus his look and presentation were great even though he couldn't cut a promo.
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Post by TGM on Mar 2, 2019 14:50:38 GMT -5
1 of the best midcarders ever. Couldn't cut a promo but his ringwork was good when sober, plus his look and presentation were great even though he couldn't cut a promo. Wasn't he wasted for the Summerslam 92 match? His greatest match.
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Post by Peeetah on Mar 2, 2019 16:44:03 GMT -5
1 of the best midcarders ever. Couldn't cut a promo but his ringwork was good when sober, plus his look and presentation were great even though he couldn't cut a promo. Wasn't he wasted for the Summerslam 92 match? His greatest match. Muscle memory's a hell of a thing.
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Post by TGM on Mar 2, 2019 17:57:27 GMT -5
Wasn't he wasted for the Summerslam 92 match? His greatest match. Muscle memory's a hell of a thing. I think Bret came up with a code? It's been years since I've read his bio.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Mar 2, 2019 19:56:38 GMT -5
Muscle memory's a hell of a thing. I think Bret came up with a code? It's been years since I've read his bio. The code was Bret calling spots in the ring and doing as much of the actual work as possible.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 2, 2019 20:53:16 GMT -5
His own worst enemy. If it wasn’t for the crack and steroid abuse he would still be alive and would’ve retired a multiple time champion. Davey had a very bad childhood very similar to Dynamite’s. It didn’t helped that Davey started wrestling when he was fifteen. The locker room lifestyle isn’t meant for children. A clean Bulldog would’ve ran the wwf, but the drugs and brushes with the law killed his momentum. Pretty much. Legit anytime he was set for a big break he did something to mess it up whether through drugs or making dumb decisions that caused legal issues. Davey just had too many bad influences in his life whether it was Dynamite, Neidhart (drugs), other wrestlers, or Diana (chasing fame) he always seemed to be dealing with a lot of pressure and never got to be himself. From all accounts the only 2 guys that could help him stay out of trouble were Bret and Owen... though it does sound like after he divorced Diana his life was turning around before his body gave out
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 2, 2019 20:59:07 GMT -5
1 of the best midcarders ever. Couldn't cut a promo but his ringwork was good when sober, plus his look and presentation were great even though he couldn't cut a promo. Wasn't he wasted for the Summerslam 92 match? His greatest match. Crack. Damn shame. Such a life and career wasted.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 2, 2019 20:59:51 GMT -5
His own worst enemy. If it wasn’t for the crack and steroid abuse he would still be alive and would’ve retired a multiple time champion. Davey had a very bad childhood very similar to Dynamite’s. It didn’t helped that Davey started wrestling when he was fifteen. The locker room lifestyle isn’t meant for children. A clean Bulldog would’ve ran the wwf, but the drugs and brushes with the law killed his momentum. Pretty much. Legit anytime he was set for a big break he did something to mess it up whether through drugs or making dumb decisions that caused legal issues. Davey just had too many bad influences in his life whether it was Dynamite, Neidhart (drugs), other wrestlers, or Diana (chasing fame) he always seemed to be dealing with a lot of pressure and never got to be himself. From all accounts the only 2 guys that could help him stay out of trouble were Bret and Owen... though it does sound like after he divorced Diana his life was turning around before his body gave out He went to Stampede when he was like 15, the poor man never stood a chance.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 2, 2019 21:10:54 GMT -5
I think whether he got clean or not, he got as far as he was going to be. Not being clean wasn't a career killer for him and maybe cost him a little more in terms of being trusted but if he ever were to win a world title it was only going be for 20 seconds and done.
Being clean, would have probably added a year or 2 on his career but the roid usage would have taken its toll
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Mar 2, 2019 21:14:25 GMT -5
His own worst enemy. If it wasn’t for the crack and steroid abuse he would still be alive and would’ve retired a multiple time champion. Davey had a very bad childhood very similar to Dynamite’s. It didn’t helped that Davey started wrestling when he was fifteen. The locker room lifestyle isn’t meant for children. A clean Bulldog would’ve ran the wwf, but the drugs and brushes with the law killed his momentum. All the stories I’ve read suggested Davey had a good childhood. He had a great relationship with his siblings and parents until his death.
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Post by Peeetah on Mar 2, 2019 22:18:44 GMT -5
Muscle memory's a hell of a thing. I think Bret came up with a code? It's been years since I've read his bio. Yeah for sure luckily Davey's drug addled mind was able to through through Bret's instructions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 22:19:59 GMT -5
I don't get the comments that Davey had no personality.
It's true that he played a generic smiling babyface for most of his career, but I thought he held his own as a heel teamed with Owen.
Bulldogs deservedly get a lot of praise, but Owen and Bulldog were a great team in their own right and don't get nearly enough praise.
To answer the question, I'm very satisfied with Davey's WWE run, but I still wish his first WCW run had been better. It was really interesting seeing him mix with Sting, Vader, Flair... and I'm imagining the matches he could have had with guys like Orndorff, Austin, Pillman, Regal, Rude, Johnny B. Badd and Arn Anderson if he'd stuck around.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 3, 2019 0:17:00 GMT -5
I like to imagine an alternate universe exists where he got totally clean and had a concurrent resurgence with HBK in the aughts. Those two were made to wrestle each other. Did he ever actually have a win over Michaels? In my memory, all I can remember is him constantly being on the losing end - losing IC title, European title (in England no less) and tag titles to Michaels, as well as Micheals eliminating him from the 95 and 96 rumbles. As someone who liked Davey a lot and could not (and cannot) stand Shawn Michaels, this always bugged me. His televised record in singles matches against Shawn is five defeats from five matches. If you add house shows into the mix, it stands at 12 wins and 28 defeats. Eleven of those wins came during his IC championship reign in '92, with the other being a DQ win in February '92.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Mar 3, 2019 0:40:50 GMT -5
He was bizarre, so it'll always remain a topic of great debate. Rather he wants to or not.
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