segaz
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Post by segaz on Mar 24, 2019 10:03:24 GMT -5
He was bizarre, so it'll always remain a topic of great debate. Rather he wants to or not. He never fell flat on his arse
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Woo
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Post by Woo on Mar 24, 2019 11:48:27 GMT -5
He was amazing. Fantastic face in the early 90's and then an incredible heel in 96 and 97. Bulldog was fantastic in those tag matches with his constant arguing with the crowds whenever Owen was in the ring.
His 1999 comeback was terrible but the trapdoor in WCW was to blame. Might have led to his death with all the pain killers from that too.
He had a fantastic career but I think he could have been a transitional champion at some point.
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Post by abjordans on Mar 24, 2019 12:01:22 GMT -5
I think he reached his full potential despite his addictions. He was never going to be world champ. He had a good and memorable career though. He had awesome gear always.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Mar 24, 2019 14:55:46 GMT -5
He had all the tools to be World champion i.e. look, charisma, move set etc.
I wonder if he was content with being paid and having fun backstage?
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 24, 2019 19:10:55 GMT -5
Someone mentioned wishing his 1993 WCW run was better. I do too but I think he was such a WWF guy that WCW really didn't know what to do with him and he didn't know how to work the WCW storylines. There are some guys who were WCW guys who tried WWF for a year before leaving and Davey Boy was similar with trying WCW before leaving after a year.
Like Lex Luger in summer 1993, when Davey didn't win the WCW title from Vader, his career there wouldn't go much further. Like Lex, he was just kind of floundering while more accomplished champions (Flair or Cactus in WCW, Bret in WWF) would take their places. Davey's Lex opportunity was Clash in August 1993. EVERY good guy won a title on that show. In fact, I think every good guy won their match...except Davey. The whole show was being built around the good guys winning and all titles changing hands so as a kid I was all in for Davey beating Vader only for Vader to win and it set up for a Cactus Jack feud. Like Lex, it was all down hill from there, he couldn't capitalize on the big moment.
I can't remember much from his 1997-1998 WCW run except he went from short tights to his long tights and he got hurt on the trap door. His WWF return in 1999 met with some fan fare but his style was pretty dated by then and he really didn't fit in the attitude era. What sucks is that he was ahead of the times in the 1980s with the British Bulldogs but by the late 90s was pretty outdated. Of course, WWF has to totally humiliate him with having the Rock "rock bottom" him on dog poop.
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Paul
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Post by Paul on Mar 24, 2019 19:19:12 GMT -5
His only good match was one where Bret carried him to one, IMO.
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Post by government mule on Mar 25, 2019 6:40:51 GMT -5
He was the absolute best at taunting a crowd when making his way down to the ring.
Also check out Owen v Bulldog on a RAW taped in Germany in early 97. Absolute belter and a reminder of what he could do when not on crack.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Mar 25, 2019 7:31:18 GMT -5
He never felt like a main event we as much as they kept toying with the idea in WWF and WCW
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Post by auph10imitated on Mar 25, 2019 12:37:59 GMT -5
It always feels like Bulldog was never trusted as the main focus of a top level fued. Let’s look at his singles WWF career:
Returns in 1990 and his first fued was with The Warlord in 1991 which was B-C level and lasted a full year, he did nothing for the first 5 months of 1992 before starting another C level fued with Repo Man which lasted a few weeks before switching to Bret Hart which was arguably his highest point, after winning the title he still wasn’t given a definitive fued, just challengers, his opponent set for Survivor Series was The Mountie who he wasn’t feuding with before dropping to Shawn and leaving.
He returned and became the 2nd wheel in the Bret/Owen fued and despite being one of the last two in the 95 Rumble, he really didn’t have a major fued until turning heel in August, he was put in a team with Luger and they had a slight rivalry with Owen/Yoko. He finally had a main event fued with Diesel but the match was so bad he was demoted again, he was part of Camp Cornette but again it wasnt until May 1996 when they took a chance again and gave him a main fued with Shawn Michaels before going back to Tag team territory with Owen and like with Luger they never really had a definitive fued and it wasn’t until a year later when he got into a fued with Shamrock. Once done he played 2nd wheel with Bret again I’m the Vader/Patriot fued before leaving again
It’s like he had the tools to be a big deal but was never given many meaty fueds to run with and played second fiddle a lot
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 12:46:07 GMT -5
I can't remember much from his 1997-1998 WCW run except he went from short tights to his long tights and he got hurt on the trap door. He did nothing there. Went out of respect to Bret, he was misused in that they had a guy who could do a lot better and they just put him in "whatever, he's there" matches. Same (if not worse) with Neidhart..... we as viewers knew *why* they were there and it outweighed anything they could do, so just throw them in midcard matches with the 100 other guys. I thought he fit in well. Putting him right in the hardcore division seemed to prop it up a bit, he looked the part of a guy who could just brawl. But then they put him with the Mean Street Posse..... bleh. His real problem at that point was that he just didn't really care and it began to show in his work. Plus the drug use got real bad real quick, he was out for some months in rehab, and when he returned for his final dates, which were all just matches on Heat against jobbers and lowcarders, he could tell they didn't care to do much more with him (at least at that time, he was just in rehab), so why care back.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 25, 2019 12:47:50 GMT -5
Davey doesn’t become a crackhead in the early nineties, multiple time champion.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 26, 2019 17:36:38 GMT -5
As a Brit, from my earliest days watching wrestling the commentators demanded that I like Bulldog.
I always thought he sucked.
In the twenty years as a fan since, I've never found him to be anything to write home about when he wasn't 1. wrestling Bret at Wembley or 2. tagging with Dynamite Kid.
As far as popularity, however, he definitely had a career that was very hamstrung. He flirted with the main event a lot, but never really got there, and honestly I think as some have said already it was probably drugs that stopped him getting further.
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