wildojinx
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Post by wildojinx on Mar 6, 2019 12:27:27 GMT -5
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Mar 6, 2019 12:33:18 GMT -5
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FinalGwen
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Post by FinalGwen on Mar 6, 2019 12:37:26 GMT -5
In kayfabe it is a world where every situation is decided by violence and the idea of 'might makes right', and while there are idealistic moments you need the general cynicism to keep the power structures going for new underdogs to fight against.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 13:01:37 GMT -5
Cynical. The straight-laced babyface inevitably discovers that he/she can't achieve his objective ethically and turns.
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Post by Spider2024 on Mar 6, 2019 13:16:22 GMT -5
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 6, 2019 13:34:45 GMT -5
If we're talking wrestling on the whole rather than any specific promotion, I think we're dealing with something that's just too endless and multi-layered to ever really know for certain. There's so many stories going in parallel at different points, and no one story is ever a conclusion or a climax to that character, so they'll continue pushing on and on and on. You can say that '80s Hogan was idealistic because it was a righteous hero prevailing over each evil foe standing up against him. But then came the New World Order plunging everything into cynicism not only for the bastion of goodness going bad, but for what it did to the overall tone of WCW. Then he came back to WWE and had the Mr. America character. Only to go to TNA and be part of Immortal. His send-off in TNA had him being the good guy but ultimately leaving in the face of adversity from villains, in a scene that had the owner of the company screaming and begging him to come back and fight the bad guys while she clutched his leg.
It's just too complicated for there to be any real cohesion to it unless you build something strongly around a specific idea. CHIKARA is very idealistic while modern WWE is so focused on HEAT that I'd say it's more cynical. But on the whole there's just so much complexity to the question and wrestling in the bigger picture senseh as never worked so simply.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Mar 6, 2019 14:15:04 GMT -5
This is why you need two scales: It's high in both.
Especially for people talking about old territory stuff, they loved being kids and how clear and black-and-white the morality was. You cheer the heroes. Cheating is always wrong. The good guys win in the end.
Meanwhile, it's made by conmen who blatantly exude absolute contempt for their fans and for everyone around them.
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 6, 2019 17:05:37 GMT -5
As a business, wrestling is, and probably always will be, deeply cynical. It's very roots are built on carnival culture and deception to part rubes of their money, and backstabbing and cruel pranks are part of the culture. Even the fans can be deeply cynical and even self loathing.
But for storylines, we do see more shades of idealism and cynicism, which is natural in a business built on bad guys vs good guys. One can even make the case that it actually leans heavily on idealism, when you consider that a lot of bad guys become bad guys from a place of feeling like their ideals are right, even when it comes from cynicism that they may not recognize.
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