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Post by romanstylesiii on Mar 13, 2019 19:53:55 GMT -5
2/3 of these guys have shown a lot of personality in other places, so I don't really blame them. WWE has long since booked heels on RAW as bland villains with no real personality. A face can only be as good as the heel most times, and the heels are booked to be intentionally boring. Just for the love of god, be a little bit different. Right now, all 3 of these guys are just slightly different versions of each other
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 19:54:50 GMT -5
All three should dress like waiters, not just Corbin.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 13, 2019 20:00:09 GMT -5
Lashley had "something" in TNA, Drew's shown character before, and even Corbin has expressed a personality on Talking Smack and in backstage stuff. The writing is failing all of them but it's so structural in nature that I don't see that changing any time soon.
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Post by Perd on Mar 13, 2019 20:01:45 GMT -5
They should post that picture at libraries and PGA Tour events. They wouldn’t hear a f***ing peep.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Mar 13, 2019 20:03:48 GMT -5
And their cool/colorful gear, too.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 13, 2019 20:05:13 GMT -5
The closest Drew has ever shown to a personality was 3MB. "This businesssss" face Drew had no personality, "parrrrty's ovah" Drew had no personality, and Ziggler's lackey had no personality.
This group is going to suck dick regardless, but if they put even 5 minutes into coming up with a plausible reason they'd prop up Baron again, who desperately needs new gear by the way, then that'd help immensely. As it is, they lick his boots for what, exactly?
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Post by Push R Truth on Mar 13, 2019 20:07:44 GMT -5
If Drew dressed up like a French Maid and sang showtunes for his entrance the WWE would surpass the viewership of the World Cup
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Post by Error on Mar 13, 2019 20:07:57 GMT -5
I think the issue lies in them only having two types of faces, Smiling Goober & Great Wrestler. When that is all heels are given, they have to tone things way down to not over shadow or take the shine of the faces.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 20:08:34 GMT -5
Lashley even lost the headband for f***s sake. The one thing that set him apart.
I remember reading transcripts from the writer who was let go from the company. He used to do Lashley and Lio’s segments and he came up with the whole “Lio with a live mic during matches” idea. They scrapped it. He came up with the whole “WHEN YOU LOOK LIKE MONEY... WHEN YOU SMELL LIKE MONEY!” thing. They scrapped it.
Everything remotely interesting and different, they scrap.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 20:08:43 GMT -5
The closest Drew has ever shown to a personality was 3MB. "This businesssss" face Drew had no personality, "parrrrty's ovah" Drew had no personality, and Ziggler's lackey had no personality. This group is going to suck dick regardless, but if they put even 5 minutes into coming up with a plausible reason they'd prop up Baron again, who desperately needs new gear by the way, then that'd help immensely. As it is, they lick his boots for what, exactly? I'm guessing Corbin has somehow convinced those two dorks that he's going to be back in power soon.
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Post by Aceorton on Mar 13, 2019 20:09:47 GMT -5
Heels with unique personalities might become crowd favorites without permission from the Dark Overlord. CAN'T HAVE THAT
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 13, 2019 20:25:11 GMT -5
Lashley even lost the headband for f***s sake. The one thing that set him apart. I remember reading transcripts from the writer who was let go from the company. He used to do Lashley and Lio’s segments and he came up with the whole “Lio with a live mic during matches” idea. They scrapped it. He came up with the whole “WHEN YOU LOOK LIKE MONEY... WHEN YOU SMELL LIKE MONEY!” thing. They scrapped it. Everything remotely interesting and different, they scrap. Vince McMahon at the top of the food chain feels like the biggest drag on the show. Everything complex or 'hard to do' is thrown out on the basis it'd break from the norm, anything that isn't the most streamlined and formulaic way to write the show gets tossed aside. Whether it's his intention or not, Vince's ideas make his show into the Old Country Buffet of pro wrestling. It's just one crazy old dude's complacent idea of what will best make the show happen and satisfy their television commitments. I wouldn't be surprised if before scripts get rewritten two hours before go time, Raw is way better than it ends up being, and it's in that stripping down of everything and shuffling of the show that everything gets super generic.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 13, 2019 20:28:52 GMT -5
Boring characters are a detriment to any fictional story. Especially one which its medium requires some focus and strength shown from their villains. It's always curious how the McMahons and Trips never fall into this hole though. Almost as if they're aware of how damaging it can be to someone put in that position...
Also worth noting that Lashley's missing about 95% of his personality after losing that headband, and he wasn't exactly in the high digits to begin with.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Mar 13, 2019 20:55:52 GMT -5
I would be so happy to never hear a heel say, "You people..." again.
Yep, it's the fans fault you went from a cheered babyface to a chickenshit heel. Every time. 100 out of 100.
Shit is so painfully stale and boring.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 13, 2019 21:21:14 GMT -5
If Drew dressed up like a French Maid and sang showtunes for his entrance the WWE would surpass the viewership of the World Cup Latex maid outfit or no buys.
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Post by héad.casé on Mar 14, 2019 5:36:44 GMT -5
"I'm taking back MY Title" is pretty stale too. I mean, if you lost it, it's not yours anymore. But almost everyone says it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 14, 2019 6:14:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I think wrestling is more interesting as a clash of defined personalities rather than a straightforward "good guy/bad guy" divide; that isn't to say I don't like babyface vs. heel feuds with a particularly vile bad guy being a piece of garbage and the good guy overcoming all the obstacles, but even those work better when the characters involved are well established, have motivations the crowd knows of and understands, and have interactions that are colored by those established character traits.
Turning a guy heel because "well, we need him heel if he's gonna face <whichever babyface>" has always been pretty lame to me; fact is, no, you don't "need" anyone to turn if you don't want to, you just have to let the personalities of the wrestlers interact and create a situation where fans can decide whom they'd rather cheer for. If one wrestler doesn't get as much support, then sure, let them lean into that and be a bit more heel-ish in that feud, but it doesn't mean having to completely flip their alignment at the drop of a hat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 7:30:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I think wrestling is more interesting as a clash of defined personalities rather than a straightforward "good guy/bad guy" divide; that isn't to say I don't like babyface vs. heel feuds with a particularly vile bad guy being a piece of garbage and the good guy overcoming all the obstacles, but even those work better when the characters involved are well established, have motivations the crowd knows of and understands, and have interactions that are colored by those established character traits. Turning a guy heel because "well, we need him heel if he's gonna face <whichever babyface>" has always been pretty lame to me; fact is, no, you don't "need" anyone to turn if you don't want to, you just have to let the personalities of the wrestlers interact and create a situation where fans can decide whom they'd rather cheer for. If one wrestler doesn't get as much support, then sure, let them lean into that and be a bit more heel-ish in that feud, but it doesn't mean having to completely flip their alignment at the drop of a hat. Say it louder for the people in the back!
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Mar 14, 2019 7:39:05 GMT -5
I would be so happy to never hear a heel say, "You people..." again. Yep, it's the fans fault you went from a cheered babyface to a chickenshit heel. Every time. 100 out of 100. Shit is so painfully stale and boring. At the same time I'm sick of good guys saying "I'm just like all these people here". Oh yeah? Wow suddenly you're so relatable! I better cheer you and buy all your shirts!
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Post by nisidhe on Mar 14, 2019 9:53:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I think wrestling is more interesting as a clash of defined personalities rather than a straightforward "good guy/bad guy" divide; that isn't to say I don't like babyface vs. heel feuds with a particularly vile bad guy being a piece of garbage and the good guy overcoming all the obstacles, but even those work better when the characters involved are well established, have motivations the crowd knows of and understands, and have interactions that are colored by those established character traits. Turning a guy heel because "well, we need him heel if he's gonna face <whichever babyface>" has always been pretty lame to me; fact is, no, you don't "need" anyone to turn if you don't want to, you just have to let the personalities of the wrestlers interact and create a situation where fans can decide whom they'd rather cheer for. If one wrestler doesn't get as much support, then sure, let them lean into that and be a bit more heel-ish in that feud, but it doesn't mean having to completely flip their alignment at the drop of a hat. Random heel and face turns shouldn't really be a thing that can only be explained after the fact with a "You People" promo. It's laziness that drives this kind of booking, much like everything else that WWE is doing these days. However, there is also a disturbing lack of distinction in how WWE presents the personalities of its stars, both face and heel. Faces really are either just Smiling Goobers or Top-Notch Wrestlers. Heels really are just Dominant Monsters or Chickenshits (and too often are the two combined.) They can't even do face and heel-type movesets or play up their alignments in-ring. Some of the old heel stuff - the "foreign object" in the trunks, the tag rope used to choke out an opponent whilst in the corner - hasn't been seen in nearly two decades. It's time for some of that to come back. Faces can afford to be a little bland - they're meant to feel safe, even when they're a high-flyer taking high-risk moves. But there was more difference between Jim Duggan and Hillbilly Jim than exists between any two members of the Shield. As cartoony as some gimmicks in the 1980s were, they did set certain expectations among fans for what to expect from each wrestler, how each would act in the ring as well as how their entrances would proceed. One of the reasons Finn became so popular on the main roster so quickly was that the headcanon created by fans was so open-ended and so imaginative that he took on an almost God-like quality. The battle between him and Wyatt was akin to the ultimate battle of good vs evil. That headcanon, in contrast to how Vince has presented him, is the reason why he seems so one-dimensional today and why so many of Finn's fans would prefer he jump ship.
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