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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 0:19:34 GMT -5
I’d say Cena helped this entire Indy class we’re seeing right now get over. Especially the guys that broke that glass ceiling in CM Punk and Bryan. Every good underdog story needs a person at the top that represents the “oppressor” I was shocked when Owen's went over clean on his first night on the main roster so I see what your saying
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Post by nisidhe on Mar 16, 2019 1:00:26 GMT -5
Cena's legacy was more about the business than the craft, in my view.
Yes, he brought back the families and especially the kids to WWE. He did a lot to promote WWE as something worthy of reporting in mainstream media again, albeit more on the entertainment and celebrity side than on the sports side (though many sports sites still report on wrestling.) However, he was no Bret Hart or Kurt Angle in the sense of making the craft something worth studying and pursuing. Nobody opened a wrestling school or started a promotion because of their response to John Cena.
This is not to say that Cena wasn't a draw - certainly he has been. But I think it's quite telling that it took about a dozen new stars to come up from NXT to shine, some with a level of talent and fan appeal he could have only dreamed about even at his peak, before he felt it was okay to bow out. I wonder if, in some respects, he feels he ultimately failed because WWE is now facing the spectre of competition again.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Mar 16, 2019 1:23:11 GMT -5
He starred in THE MARINE, which trickled down to Ted Dibiase Jr. The Miz for the sequels.
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 16, 2019 2:46:23 GMT -5
Maybe Edge? But then, you could also argue that a well past his prime Mick Foley did more for Edge than Cena ever did. True. Cena got the belt back the first time Edge took it at Royal Rumble 2006 when he came off the spaceship for his entrance. And Cena won the blow off match at Unforgiven that year.
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 16, 2019 2:51:15 GMT -5
Had AJ not lost at the Rumble or lost the belt to someone else I would have agreed. But he dropped down the card to opening with Shane and then hanging in the US title picture until they gave up on Jinder. Again, Cena didn't ruin him but he did not definitively put him over. Not in the way that for example HHH put Batista over or Andre put Hogan over. AJ literally won the wwe title in the next ppv, which obviously made him a major enough player to win the wwe title for a YEAR. Yeah Cena got his win back but he’s 2-1 against him on ppv No he didn't. He won it just before Survivor Series.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 16, 2019 3:51:34 GMT -5
AJ literally won the wwe title in the next ppv, which obviously made him a major enough player to win the wwe title for a YEAR. Yeah Cena got his win back but he’s 2-1 against him on ppv No he didn't. He won it just before Survivor Series. He did (Styles beat Cena at SummerSlam, then beat Ambrose at the next PPV (Backlash) to win the WWE Championship), but that was a different reign than the one that went a full year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 4:02:06 GMT -5
It’s a lie to say Cena never put anyone over.
I’m Cena’s biggest hater, going all the way back to 2005. And for a long time nobody ever beat him clean or got put over.
But since 2014 or so, he’s put over plenty. Guys like Bryan, Owens, AJ, Nakamura, Roman etc have all beat him clean and looked the part against Big Match John.
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Post by msc on Mar 16, 2019 6:34:37 GMT -5
As a Cena non-fan:
In retrospect, Edge for sure, who beat Super Cena for the belt 3 times. Punk beat Cena so often they made a big deal of him being the guy Cena couldn't beat (until 2013 when they began phasing down Punk). Del Rio beat him clean and there was no comeback. RVD became a made man. (The last two f***ed it up almost immediately themselves) Bryan beat him clean. AJ Styles beat him clean, and Shane/AJ for the record in WWEs eyes was meant to be a much bigger deal than Miz/Cena that year.
There's also underrated stuff like how he kept making Big Show look a monster even after the 20th cliched heel turn, the time he made Khali look a legit threat to the title, etc.
That a lot of it doesn't seem to matter now says more about WWE's writing for folk than it does for Cena.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 16, 2019 7:07:06 GMT -5
As a Cena non-fan: In retrospect, Edge for sure, who beat Super Cena for the belt 3 times. Punk beat Cena so often they made a big deal of him being the guy Cena couldn't beat (until 2013 when they began phasing down Punk). Del Rio beat him clean and there was no comeback. RVD became a made man. (The last two f***ed it up almost immediately themselves) Bryan beat him clean. AJ Styles beat him clean, and Shane/AJ for the record in WWEs eyes was meant to be a much bigger deal than Miz/Cena that year. There's also underrated stuff like how he kept making Big Show look a monster even after the 20th cliched heel turn, the time he made Khali look a legit threat to the title, etc. That a lot of it doesn't seem to matter now says more about WWE's writing for folk than it does for Cena. I'd like to add Umaga to the list. The Last Man Standing match they had made him look like a total goddamn monster.
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 16, 2019 7:22:50 GMT -5
No he didn't. He won it just before Survivor Series. He did (Styles beat Cena at SummerSlam, then beat Ambrose at the next PPV (Backlash) to win the WWE Championship), but that was a different reign than the one that went a full year. I specifically referred to the Rumble as that was the defacto blowoff for their feud specifically. He was playing off of Cena even in Cenas absence coming into the Rumble.
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 16, 2019 9:58:45 GMT -5
Cena's career is so odd. He spent forever putting over very few guys, or when he did the company minimized the wins and kept pushing Cena over that guy. But then he eventually just started jobbing left and right to the point where beating him didn't mean anything. It's like we skipped the time where beating him meant a lot and could make a guy, sort of like Tanahashi losing to Jay White.
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Mar 16, 2019 10:33:18 GMT -5
I don't understand why anyone is discussing "putting people over", that's not what trickle down is. OP gave the example of Hogan in the 80's. He put exactly zero people over in the 80's. But he sure as hell had a trickle down effect on the WWF and wrestling as a whole.
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