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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 17:46:10 GMT -5
It's just... man. You can easily do a story where Ronda starts losing her mind because of the crowd liking Becky and turns heel without this Russo shit. Oh well, it was only the most anticipated women's match in WWE history. No big deal.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 17, 2019 18:01:42 GMT -5
How many do you think Joe Rogan has already bought? Rogan's actually quite respectful of the business. I've seen his interviews with DDP and Jake the Snake and he appreciates the skill and toughness that goes into wrestling. I don't see the uproar TBH; Obnoxious heel character does something to wind up the smarks and get them to back the babyface ahead of Mania.
Becky goes over at Mania, and the fans go home happy. Job done.
Because people don't enjoy this f***shit "reality is the new kayfabe" deception nonsense. All I want to do is watch a TV show where things happen on the TV and I develop a connection with the story I know it's a story because it's decently told and I care about the characters. This isn't making people more excited to see Ronda lose, it's making people less excited to see the match period. The shine is off this match so hard that a lot of people don't even care about seeing it main event anymore. This is actively destructive to the good of the match and it's not even happening on TV.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 18:05:15 GMT -5
Rogan's actually quite respectful of the business. I've seen his interviews with DDP and Jake the Snake and he appreciates the skill and toughness that goes into wrestling. I don't see the uproar TBH; Obnoxious heel character does something to wind up the smarks and get them to back the babyface ahead of Mania.
Becky goes over at Mania, and the fans go home happy. Job done.
Because people don't enjoy this f***shit "reality is the new kayfabe" deception nonsense. All I want to do is watch a TV show where things happen on the TV and I develop a connection with the story I know it's a story because it's decently told and I care about the characters. This isn't making people more excited to see Ronda lose, it's making people less excited to see the match period. The shine is off this match so hard that a lot of people don't even care about seeing it main event anymore. This is actively destructive to the good of the match and it's not even happening on TV. Yeah, I'm back to really wanting to see Becky win, but if this was Ronda vs. Charlotte vs. Nikki Bella or something I would've completely checked out on this a month ago. It's really only out of respect for her at this point, because she's still trying.
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Post by Shai on Mar 17, 2019 18:07:47 GMT -5
WWE has been in this weird place for years now where they don't know exactly what they want to be. It's why the "wrestling is fake" stigma still exists when you wouldn't say that about any other scripted show on TV. I kinda wish they'd treat it more like a straight-up TV Show, where much like I follow my favorite actors, I could follow my favorite wrestlers without all the extra shit and then still be fully immersed in kayfabe when I watch the actual shows
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 17, 2019 18:08:23 GMT -5
Crazy how Wrestle Kingdom managed to have no worked shoots in it (even as a bunch of major figures were on their way out to go start their own promotion) and I enjoyed that show from beginning to end for the stories it told and the matches they put on. It's almost like when people know wrestling is scripted, the appeal for it becomes that of regular media, and working within those fictional lines creates an appealing and interesting product that keeps people engaged, while WWE spends half its shows peeing off a bridge and onto your head below while drunkenly jeering about how it's raining and you don't have an umbrella.
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Post by Shai on Mar 17, 2019 18:14:00 GMT -5
Crazy how Wrestle Kingdom managed to have no worked shoots in it (even as a bunch of major figures were on their way out to go start their own promotion) and I enjoyed that show from beginning to end for the stories it told and the matches they put on. It's almost like when people know wrestling is scripted, the appeal for it becomes that of regular media, and working within those fictional lines creates an appealing and interesting product that keeps people engaged, while WWE spends half its shows peeing off a bridge and onto your head below while drunkenly jeering about how it's raining and you don't have an umbrella. See, New Japan is almost too much of a good thing for me in a sense because it makes me overly emotional because I get so immersed. Okada vs Omega 2 had me crying in front of the TV by the end.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 17, 2019 18:15:50 GMT -5
Crazy how Wrestle Kingdom managed to have no worked shoots in it (even as a bunch of major figures were on their way out to go start their own promotion) and I enjoyed that show from beginning to end for the stories it told and the matches they put on. It's almost like when people know wrestling is scripted, the appeal for it becomes that of regular media, and working within those fictional lines creates an appealing and interesting product that keeps people engaged, while WWE spends half its shows peeing off a bridge and onto your head below while drunkenly jeering about how it's raining and you don't have an umbrella. See, New Japan is almost too much of a good thing for me in a sense because it makes me overly emotional because I get so immersed. Okada vs Omega 2 had me crying in front of the TV by the end. It being at "f*** you" in the morning makes it so difficult because I want to react but making sounds is going to wake up the building at that hour. But it's so good it's just so good
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Post by Perd on Mar 17, 2019 18:17:16 GMT -5
I think the reason a lot of us get so up in arms about this, is because we want this to be good so much. And it’s just not. The stuff on TV is bad enough. Add this unnecessary, unappealing crap and it’s that much worse.
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Post by Shai on Mar 17, 2019 18:19:02 GMT -5
See, New Japan is almost too much of a good thing for me in a sense because it makes me overly emotional because I get so immersed. Okada vs Omega 2 had me crying in front of the TV by the end. It being at "f*** you" in the morning makes it so difficult because I want to react but making sounds is going to wake up the building at that hour. But it's so good it's just so goodThat too. And everytime WK or Dominion rolls around I say I'm not going to stay up and I always do. I swear to God I'm not doing what I did for the G1 Climax last year and watch all of it live. It ruined my sleep schedule for months
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Post by Shai on Mar 17, 2019 18:21:17 GMT -5
I think the reason a lot of us get so up in arms about this, is because we want this to be good so much. And it’s just not. The stuff on TV is bad enough. Add this unnecessary, unappealing crap and it’s that much worse. This. So much this. Sometimes I really feel like this damn company has me held hostage simply because it's not just about the actual wrestling for me but the people that are in WWE. I get angry because I want WWE to do better by all these wrestlers I like and admire so much.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 17, 2019 18:22:35 GMT -5
It being at "f*** you" in the morning makes it so difficult because I want to react but making sounds is going to wake up the building at that hour. But it's so good it's just so goodThat too. And everytime WK or Dominion rolls around I say I'm not going to stay up and I always do. I swear to God I'm not doing what I did for the G1 Climax last year and watch all of it live. It ruined my sleep schedule for months I live on an abysmal sleep schedule anyway but yeah no f***ing way. The G1 is just too long to sustain that kind of pressure for, it's life-ruining stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 18:23:59 GMT -5
The shoot stuff is kind of pointless when the entire concept of the show is of a fictitious universe where people regularly get punched and kicked in the face with no visible signs of trauma, where you have zombie morticians, a guy that electrocutes another mans testicles, all sorts of people out there wearing masks like a super hero, and just about every other thing that you can imagine.
We know that in real life Brock would kick the shit out of Bryan, Balor, or AJ, but in the context of this fictitious universe they can hang with him. Which is why the Ronda stuff is not only dumb, it just lazy. Why write a good story when you can do some shoot stuff and hope that someone believes that it might get real(it won’t and few if anyone believes that it will)
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Post by Shai on Mar 17, 2019 18:31:03 GMT -5
Like someone else said. Ronda could totally play the delusional heel who hates being booed, hell you could bring how she's reacted to losing and criticism in the past into it without all this shoot bullshit. But that would take actual writing and we know Vince don't let Creative think outside his box for a second
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 18:32:23 GMT -5
Hey remember that time Lorenzo Lamas showed up in LU had his head explode and then walked in off camera before the show ended to remind everyone he is actually alive and this is all fake. What a renegade.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 18:42:03 GMT -5
Like someone else said. Ronda could totally play the delusional heel who hates being booed, hell you could bring how she's reacted to losing and criticism in the past into it without all this shoot bullshit. But that would take actual writing and we know Vince don't let Creative think outside his box for a second "How dare you root for that ginger douche over me! I come out with a smile on my face every night and take on all challengers. I'm f***ing undefeated! And yet you're going to cheer for someone who talks shit on Twitter instead of stepping in the ring? You're going to cheer for Charlotte Flair in my own hometown? I'm going to kill both of those bitches at WrestleMania and leave with the championship because f*** this place and f*** all of you." It's so. damn. easy.
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Post by Shai on Mar 17, 2019 18:44:02 GMT -5
Like someone else said. Ronda could totally play the delusional heel who hates being booed, hell you could bring how she's reacted to losing and criticism in the past into it without all this shoot bullshit. But that would take actual writing and we know Vince don't let Creative think outside his box for a second "How dare you root for that ginger douche over me! I come out with a smile on my face every night and take on all challengers. I'm f***ing undefeated! And yet you're going to cheer for someone who talks shit on Twitter instead of stepping in the ring? You're going to boo me in my own hometown? I'm going to kill both of those bitches at WrestleMania and leave with the championship because f*** this place and f*** all of you." It's so. damn. easy. That's it. That right there should be Ronda right now but nope we get this shit
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 19:00:13 GMT -5
Eh, they obliterated Kayfabe decades ago. Kind of moot to try to get attention this way.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 17, 2019 19:07:08 GMT -5
Back to 99 motherf***ers. Is Limp Bizkit gonna walk her to the ring now?
We’ve known this shit is fake since the forties, and if it’s fake then why you’re wasting your time in it? The acting career didn’t pick up?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 17, 2019 19:09:32 GMT -5
The amount of self hatred WWE has is always amusing. Vince is that guy at your job that hates working there, but isn't good enough to do anything else. He hates the rasslin business but everything else he has tried he has failed. Concert promoter failed. Bodybuilding Federation failed. Icopro failed. Restaurant failed. Casino failed. Her wife running for senate and the wwe trying to swing voters failed. Most of the wwe movies? Straight to Betamax.
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Mar 17, 2019 19:13:35 GMT -5
After her last two MMA fights, are we sure that Ronda can break anything BUT the long-dead concept of "kayfabe"?
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