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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 19, 2019 17:09:40 GMT -5
Anyone ever feel like this when going to a show or watching it on video?
Why do so many cards need like 30+ workers and 12+ matches?
I find myself increasingly getting burned out with cards like this. I don’t think they help the workers that much either since with so many wrestlers/matches some guys are lucky to get 5 minutes to really shine even with shows going longer and longer.
Sometimes I wish promotions would place quality over quantity. Hell give me a show with 5 matches or less, 10 workers or less, and have it not much longer than 2 hours. If the workers are good enough I may even leave happier and wanting more, which can be a good thing.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Mar 19, 2019 17:39:56 GMT -5
5 to 6 matches is the right amount.
Years ago went to a indie show. 8 matches.
First match was a 20 man royal rumble.
Then a hardcore title match
Light heavyweight title match
Women's title match
Singles match
Bullrope match
Tag title match
Heavyweight title match
By the third match it was 10:30pm. The show had started at 7:30pm. After the third match they had a 30 minute intermission. And most of the crowd left. The main event started at midnight. The civic center wanted everyone out by 1230am. So the 15 fans left got to see a 10 minute main event.
Show was so bad it killed the town. Took BIW three shows to rebuild the town.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 19, 2019 18:02:13 GMT -5
Didn’t Joel Goodhart’s show back in the day went like four hours with multiple gimmick and battle royal matches?
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 19, 2019 18:41:17 GMT -5
I was at a show that featured around 15 WWE/WCW legends and famous current TNA wrestlers. I don't know what the promoter hoped for or expected with that many names because he wound up not being able to pay most of the big names (gave them checks). Another one I went to advertised about 10 legends but wound up only having three the night of the show, so I'm not sure what happened with negotiations prior to the show.
Nowadays indy promoters bring too many big names from WWE/WCW/ECW because their own talent pool does not feature any regular performers and it not only hurts the promoter not being able to pay the bigger names or pay them enough but also hurts the legend because there's too much competition at the gimmick tables.
Back in the late 90s/early 2000s shows normally featured one, maybe two former WWE/WCW/ECW stars and their own home grown roster featured all regular performers trained locally with a reputable trainer. MCW out of Maryland is one promotion that now features appearances and autographs from some big legends but they can sustain because they did things right 20+ years ago when they started out with only having one or two legends and a regular roster trained locally. They still do things right.
And another thing most promoters do is, as mentioned, start way too late. Some start at least a half hour and up to an hour late. It's almost like starting late IS part of the show.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Mar 19, 2019 21:46:24 GMT -5
I was at a show that featured around 15 WWE/WCW legends and famous current TNA wrestlers. I don't know what the promoter hoped for or expected with that many names because he wound up not being able to pay most of the big names (gave them checks). Another one I went to advertised about 10 legends but wound up only having three the night of the show, so I'm not sure what happened with negotiations prior to the show. Nowadays indy promoters bring too many big names from WWE/WCW/ECW because their own talent pool does not feature any regular performers and it not only hurts the promoter not being able to pay the bigger names or pay them enough but also hurts the legend because there's too much competition at the gimmick tables. Back in the late 90s/early 2000s shows normally featured one, maybe two former WWE/WCW/ECW stars and their own home grown roster featured all regular performers trained locally with a reputable trainer. MCW out of Maryland is one promotion that now features appearances and autographs from some big legends but they can sustain because they did things right 20+ years ago when they started out with only having one or two legends and a regular roster trained locally. They still do things right. And another thing most promoters do is, as mentioned, start way too late. Some start at least a half hour and up to an hour late. It's almost like starting late IS part of the show. Locally the Indies all have their regular roster,and might bring in one name per show. BIW brings in no names really always stArts on time. Has 5 to 6 matches. And the shows are 2 to 3 hours. And they are drawing 300 in my town,500 in Natchez and then 300 to 400 in their home base. But it seems like deep south indie feds are very different from indie feds anywhere else in the US. |
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Mar 19, 2019 21:48:34 GMT -5
Didn’t Joel Goodhart’s show back in the day went like four hours with multiple gimmick and battle royal matches? I know Frank Goodish,I think that is his name, would run 5 to 6 hour shows in the NYC area. Having battle royals full of anyone that sold at least 10 tickets. I wanna say the Fed's name was USA Pro. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 20, 2019 0:32:55 GMT -5
Didn’t Joel Goodhart’s show back in the day went like four hours with multiple gimmick and battle royal matches? I know Frank Goodish,I think that is his name, would run 5 to 6 hour shows in the NYC area. Having battle royals full of anyone that sold at least 10 tickets. I wanna say the Fed's name was USA Pro. So carny I love it. |
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Mar 20, 2019 1:10:19 GMT -5
Didn’t Joel Goodhart’s show back in the day went like four hours with multiple gimmick and battle royal matches? I know Frank Goodish,I think that is his name, would run 5 to 6 hour shows in the NYC area. Having battle royals full of anyone that sold at least 10 tickets. I wanna say the Fed's name was USA Pro. Frank Goodish was Bruiser Brody. You’re thinking of Frank Goodman. He ran terrible long shows. I remember those ticket seller battle royals. He had a guy that built a swingset for his kid on his show too. He also had some money mark that used to pay for his guardrails. His reward was sitting at a ringside table in a suit pretending to be important. Some of his regular talent were guys like Wacky Wayne Woo and The Trekkie. Awful. Goodman’s shows blew dead bears. |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 20, 2019 5:55:57 GMT -5
I know Frank Goodish,I think that is his name, would run 5 to 6 hour shows in the NYC area. Having battle royals full of anyone that sold at least 10 tickets. I wanna say the Fed's name was USA Pro. Frank Goodish was Bruiser Brody. You’re thinking of Frank Goodman. He ran terrible long shows. I remember those ticket seller battle royals. He had a guy that built a swingset for his kid on his show too. He also had some money mark that used to pay for his guardrails. His reward was sitting at a ringside table in a suit pretending to be important. Some of his regular talent were guys like Wacky Wayne Woo and The Trekkie. Awful. Goodman’s shows blew dead bears. Here's a sample card I randomly pulled off cagematch.net: Mick Foley: A 17 match card headlined by Al Snow, you're in Hell. |
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Post by wrestlingrecap on Mar 20, 2019 9:28:42 GMT -5
USA Pro shows are difficult to sit through, especially when reviewing them. They average around 4 1/2 hours on video. So, I can't imagine how long it was like to be there in person.
I went to a Wild Zero/Beyond show last Sunday. There was one singles match. Five-way comedy match. Multiple tag matches with the matches not broken up. Six man tags. Gauntlet match. The amount of workers they used was just not needed at all.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Mar 20, 2019 10:28:20 GMT -5
I know Frank Goodish,I think that is his name, would run 5 to 6 hour shows in the NYC area. Having battle royals full of anyone that sold at least 10 tickets. I wanna say the Fed's name was USA Pro. Frank Goodish was Bruiser Brody. You’re thinking of Frank Goodman. He ran terrible long shows. I remember those ticket seller battle royals. He had a guy that built a swingset for his kid on his show too. He also had some money mark that used to pay for his guardrails. His reward was sitting at a ringside table in a suit pretending to be important. Some of his regular talent were guys like Wacky Wayne Woo and The Trekkie. Awful. Goodman’s shows blew dead bears. Lol yep Goodman. Didn't The New Dynamite Kid work for him? I remember Bix and some other NYC area DVDVR poster talking about Goodman shows. |
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Mar 20, 2019 10:37:18 GMT -5
Frank Goodish was Bruiser Brody. You’re thinking of Frank Goodman. He ran terrible long shows. I remember those ticket seller battle royals. He had a guy that built a swingset for his kid on his show too. He also had some money mark that used to pay for his guardrails. His reward was sitting at a ringside table in a suit pretending to be important. Some of his regular talent were guys like Wacky Wayne Woo and The Trekkie. Awful. Goodman’s shows blew dead bears. Lol yep Goodman. Didn't The New Dynamite Kid work for him? I remember Bix and some other NYC area DVDVR poster talking about Goodman shows. Yep. He was there too. I remember Goodman having a free hotline for a little while too. He said some really horrible things about some people on there. He used to make fun of the NWA Cyberspace promoter Billy Firehawk on there and continued to do so even right after he died. I didn’t even know the guy but that was messed up. He really showed his true colors on there. I guess he couldn’t find enough money marks to keep his promotion going once he moved to Florida. |
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Mar 21, 2019 5:08:47 GMT -5
I used to Co own/Co promote a promotion in Wales, UK and we regularly would over book and over spend. Our second show had 12 matches, mostly multi man. Every show, even with a good crowd was a financial loss.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 5:46:20 GMT -5
if you look through old Osaka Pro results most were 5-6 matches. That seems like a good ammount to have
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