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Post by Dub H on Mar 25, 2019 12:28:15 GMT -5
I'm still not buying the stuff about the crowd being dead for this, even after sitting there for several hours. Becky gets huge reactions and Ronda will probably get booed and have some chants thrown her away, especially if she's leaving. I mean,when you compare to the reactions in the after rumble crowd,definitely less loud.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 12:28:36 GMT -5
If the women don't get the reaction everyone is expecting then it is only the fault of the company for making everyone sit through what is right now an 8hr show , 20 or so matches , plus all the video packages , plus all the stuff with elias , hof etc.
That wont be on the women unless the match itself shits the bed but this is the reason so many advocated for Kofi and Bryan kicking off the show...because that match is getting the crowd at their hottest an 8hr + show does not benefit the last match at all.
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Post by stevec484 on Mar 25, 2019 12:29:12 GMT -5
This is really a no main event show when you look at it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 12:30:44 GMT -5
So we talk about WM falls from grace where people go from being in a top match one year to the preshow the next, but Becky went from being in the terrible preshow battle royal last year to main eventing this year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 12:32:40 GMT -5
I'm still not buying the stuff about the crowd being dead for this, even after sitting there for several hours. Becky gets huge reactions and Ronda will probably get booed and have some chants thrown her away, especially if she's leaving. I mean,when you compare to the reactions in the after rumble crowd,definitely less loud. Oh yeah, less loud for sure. It won't be Rock vs. Hogan, but I dunno, I'm still expecting the crowd to at least be decent. Maybe just wishful thinking.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 25, 2019 12:36:08 GMT -5
So, rather than it being about three talented woman who finally worked hard enough in ring and made a story work, it’s automatically a PR stunt solely because of Chrlotte being involved? It was a PR stunt regardless. They were planning Ronda/Charlotte probably shortly after WM last year. They knew where this was going. It has always been a PR stunt. Just that a couple of months ago it just happened to feel like a legit main event match. Now it’s watered down and lost a lot of its heat for reasons already mentioned. Kofi’s angle has more steam than this one. I mean...if you want to get super technical, all WrestleMania main events are PR stunts if you want to go that route with stuff. What, you thought they booked Rock/Cena 1 a year in advance to headline because they had a great story planned for it? Get out of here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 12:36:58 GMT -5
If the women don't get the reaction everyone is expecting then it is only the fault of the company for making everyone sit through what is right now an 8hr show , 20 or so matches , plus all the video packages , plus all the stuff with elias , hof etc. That wont be on the women unless the match itself shits the bed but this is the reason so many advocated for Kofi and Bryan kicking off the show...because that match is getting the crowd at their hottest an 8hr + show does not benefit the last match at all. I'm assuming Kofi/Bryan will get the top of the second hour. Styles/Orton's probably kicking off the show, Kofi/Bryan gets the top of the second hour, Lesnar/Rollins gets the top of the third hour, WM ends with the women. It'll be tough for them that's for sure but it is what it is. If Kofi loses or if there's any other situation where the crowd's depressed that'll do damage. It has to be booked accordingly. Thankfully Charlotte (with her flips and stuff) can help with that. She's got a main event wrestling style.
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 25, 2019 12:41:37 GMT -5
I've thought this for a while but I just don't think a lot of the ticket buying consumers buy women at this sort of level. I dunno about the crowd being hot for the match or not, but I would bet given the length of the show a lot of people exit during the main event. Pretty much happened on the house shows when they tried this with Becky/Charlotte and I think Ronda/Nia over Christmas.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Mar 25, 2019 12:43:36 GMT -5
For me, the important thing to build before Wrestlemania has been the characters. Not necessarily the story. In this regard WWE has done well, even if the plot is cringe-worthy at times.
However, when the time comes at the end of the show on that Sunday night and Ronda, Becky, and Charlotte are doing the eternal stare-down in the center of the ring all of the plot leading up to that point will become largely irrelevant because I care more about the characters facing each other than anything, what it took to get there was just contrivance.
For me, at least.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 25, 2019 12:44:01 GMT -5
If the women don't get the reaction everyone is expecting then it is only the fault of the company for making everyone sit through what is right now an 8hr show , 20 or so matches , plus all the video packages , plus all the stuff with elias , hof etc. That wont be on the women unless the match itself shits the bed but this is the reason so many advocated for Kofi and Bryan kicking off the show...because that match is getting the crowd at their hottest an 8hr + show does not benefit the last match at all. I'm assuming Kofi/Bryan will get the top of the second hour. Styles/Orton's probably kicking off the show, Kofi/Bryan gets the top of the second hour, Lesnar/Rollins gets the top of the third hour, WM ends with the women. It'll be tough for them that's for sure but it is what it is. If Kofi loses or if there's any other situation where the crowd's depressed that'll do damage. It has to be booked accordingly. Thankfully Charlotte (with her flips and stuff) can help with that. She's got a main event wrestling style. There is so many things you can say that Charotte can help with in the ring and keep a crowd alive. Charlotte dead ass flips is not one of then.
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Post by the2ndevil on Mar 25, 2019 12:44:03 GMT -5
I’m happy for the entire division. They’ve all worked so hard to get to this point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 12:46:20 GMT -5
There is so many things you can say that Charotte can help with in the ring and keep a crowd alive. Charlotte dead ass flips is not one of then. If you think someone doing a moonsault onto an opponent from the top rope to the outside doesn't pop a crowd I don't know what to tell you. That's something that has worked each and every time these past 5 years that Charlotte's done it.
That's just common sense. Do you really disagree or are you trying to find a reason to argue?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 12:46:46 GMT -5
Now that we finally know what's closing, let the speculation about what opens start. You can't go wrong with either AJ/Orton or Kofi/Bryan, but I'll throw a bit of a curve ball and say Seth/Brock would be a decent choice.
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Post by Perd on Mar 25, 2019 12:48:21 GMT -5
In the future, Wrestlemania will be so long, that the main event will actually be on the next Wrestlemania’s kickoff snow.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 12:48:44 GMT -5
It was a PR stunt regardless. They were planning Ronda/Charlotte probably shortly after WM last year. They knew where this was going. It has always been a PR stunt. Just that a couple of months ago it just happened to feel like a legit main event match. Now it’s watered down and lost a lot of its heat for reasons already mentioned. Kofi’s angle has more steam than this one. I mean...if you want to get super technical, all WrestleMania main events are PR stunts if you want to go that route with stuff. What, you thought they booked Rock/Cena 1 a year in advance to headline because they had a great story planned for it? Get out of here. Rock/Cena was one of the biggest stars ever versus their new top star. That wasn’t a PR move, that was done to sell tickets/buys. The business has changed since then and no one is a draw anymore except the company itself. Putting the women on last or first doesn’t really matter. They are putting them last for optics. That’s not even a bad thing, it’s just reality.
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Post by Prince Petty on Mar 25, 2019 12:49:49 GMT -5
So we all knew, a year ago, that the likely main event of Wrestlemania would be Charlotte vs Ronda. The WWE is fairly transparent when it comes to wanting Historic Moments, and when it comes to putting their chosen figureheads on pedestals. But Becky has done an incredible job of just forcing herself into that top spot, with the help of the fans. It's remarkable how far she's come in a year.
At Wrestlemania 34 she was in the pre-show Battle Royal, and didn't even win it. Twelve months later she's the favourite to be crowned Raw Women's Champion in the main event.
It's the right match to headline the show. Becky is the most talked about wrestler in the company, and has received the most positive fan responses - The pop for her at the Royal Rumble was the loudest I've heard in a long time. Ronda is the big time, undefeated star name, and the match could, and should, have had a real Rocky feel to it. Sadly, the WWE made a mess of the build up, and the insertion of Charlotte, as well as Ronda's weirdness, makes it feel less special than it should.
But it will still be special, and if the WWE can stick the landing with a great promo video (which they usually do) and then a really good match (which these three women can certainly pull off), no one will remember the build.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 25, 2019 12:51:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 12:53:51 GMT -5
This is why Charlotte's in the match. Did anyone wanna see more of Ronda's bullshit like this? Thank you Charlotte for at least taking up a portion of the time so we don't get more Rousey Stunts.
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Post by Demented on Mar 25, 2019 13:03:14 GMT -5
As a person who doesn't watch the weekly shows and only knows about story lines through various websites and YouTube videos, I am excited that this match will be the main event. It's been a long time since I've looked forward to the main event of WrestleMania.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 25, 2019 13:03:50 GMT -5
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