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Post by Zen411 on Mar 25, 2019 13:01:07 GMT -5
The concept of undertaker vs undertaker was a strange one. Was it supposed to be a guy dibiase was supposed to be passing off as the undertaker hence underfaker? Was it supposed to be that he conjured the spirit of the heel undertaker from years back? I didn't get the appeal of seeing taker face off with someone dressed like himself. I didn't see the emotional connection there was with kane years later. Was there any way this presentation could have been better?
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Mar 25, 2019 13:09:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 13:46:49 GMT -5
I was about about 14 years old at this time and it was over as far as I was concerned.
I was always really into the supernatural, horror movies and all that... so I loved the Undertaker and the mystical aura that surrounded him. Can't tell you how many times I watched his segment from RR '94 that ends with "I....will not rest... in peace" and subsequent ascension into the rafters.
To 14 year old me, Undertaker vs. Underfaker was like Boris Karloff Frankenstein vs. Glenn Strange Frankenstein. It was fascinating and I wanted to know who this new Undertaker was, where he came from and everything about him.
Basically, like the whole Undertaker gimmick in the early-mid 90's, this angle was aimed at the kids in the audience, and in that respect I think it worked quite well.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 25, 2019 14:46:41 GMT -5
It couldn’t Brian Lee sucked.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Mar 25, 2019 14:57:31 GMT -5
I was 14 years old and thought it was cool... the build at least. Basically until they stood face to face and he was several inches shorter
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 25, 2019 15:05:12 GMT -5
The build was fine. The match was complete asscheeks.
So...nah.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 15:13:57 GMT -5
I loved it.
I also liked Kane vs Kane and Sin Cara vs Sin Cara.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 15:25:12 GMT -5
The stars of that program were Leslie Nielsen and George Kennedy.
Don't @ me I'm right.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 15:30:03 GMT -5
Do it in 1997, emphasize them flinging random powers out trying to one-up each other, and rather than having it directly be an Undertaker clone have it be someone who's more of an evil counterpart representing his dark side, albeit with a lot of the same moves and a somewhat similar look.
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Post by horseface on Mar 25, 2019 16:55:23 GMT -5
If they had a better fake Undertaker. The match was bad and ruined it, but I don't think the angle was quite as bad as it's remembered to be. Was a decent way to bring back Undertaker and even played into his history of being brought in by Ted DiBiase.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Mar 25, 2019 17:04:06 GMT -5
It should've been a glorified squash. Nothing more. If they had no plans to use DiBiase's Undertaker beyond SS, then why treat him like he was on the real deal's level in a 10 minute match? It made Undertaker look weak upon his return, when the last time we saw Undertaker, it took almost a dozen men and an urn shot to the head to put him away. With the comedy angle it took over the summer with Frank Drebin being on the case, then why not instantly expose the fake and DiBiase's publicity stunt instantly?
My booking for SS would not have billed it as a match at all, let alone a main event, but simply the return of the Undertaker. DiBiase and his Undertaker enter the arena and step into the ring. The classic Undertaker theme plays, but no deadman. DiBiase gets on the mic and mocks the crowd, saying that he told them all he had the real deal. Undertaker's theme plays again, and this time Paul Bearer somberly walks to the ring holding an urn. Bearer steps into the middle of the ring, and DiBiase mocks him for lying, and claims he should have his Undertaker put him out of everyone's misery.
Before anything happens, Paul unscrews the urn's lid and sets it in the middle of the ring, and steps back. Green smoke, the same green smoke we saw at the Royal Rumble, begins to escape from the urn. *BONG* Lights out. A beat. *BONG* Lights on, and where there once was the urn now stands the Undertaker, green smoke billowing off of him. Bearer is now howling and cackling on the outside of the ring.
DiBiase is visibly stunned as Bearer's Undertaker stares him and his imposter down. DiBiase regrouped, grabs his Undertaker by the hair and barks at him to "Get him! He's just a man!"
The false Undertaker steps to the middle of the ring, and the two are face to face. After 20 seconds, begins to shake out of fear, breaks character and flees from the ring.
To save face DiBiase signals to the back for the rest of the Million Dollar Corporation to charge the ring. Bigalow, IRS, Volkof, Tatanka all start to attack, much like the attack at RR that year. The distraction allows the false Undertaker to hit him with a chair. Undertaker is brought down, and Bigalow ascends the ropes to deliver a flying headbutt, but before contact, Undertaker sits up and Bigalow faceplants.
The real Undertaker proceeds to decimate the MDC. As they scatter from the ring, the false Undertaker again uses the distraction to deliver a chokeslam. The imposter lifts him for the Tombstone, but the real Undertaker seamlessly transitions into one of his own. Plants him, Bearer brings in the bodybag, stuffs the imposter in it, music plays, fade to black, the phenom has returned. Start putting up Blue Steel.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Mar 25, 2019 17:16:33 GMT -5
I liked it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 17:28:57 GMT -5
9 year old me loved it
34 year old me loves it
I mark for real vs fake angles
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Post by EZ: Broken Bae on Mar 25, 2019 18:24:04 GMT -5
It was over. Watch the angles and the Underfaker matches leading up to it because the crowd responded well. Just because it was an uninspiring match doesn't mean the angle didn't work.
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Post by TGM on Mar 25, 2019 18:33:23 GMT -5
Maybe if 97 Paul Bearer had tried to bring in his own Undertaker before he brought in Kane.
Before blackmailing Undertaker with the secret, Bearer pleaded to be reunited with Undertaker (I think this was when Undertaker won the WWF title). If Bearer had performed a ceremony on an existing wrestler, channeling the spirit of the Undertaker into Chainz or somebody better it could have worked.
Then again, early Kane was basically a bizarro mirror of Undertaker with a similar moveset and style so I guess we sort of got it in the end.
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Post by petef3 on Mar 25, 2019 19:31:46 GMT -5
Are we forgetting that the big climax and reveal of the build to this angle was...a confused Todd Pettingill announcing the SummerSlam co-main event with no explanation? And injecting comedy into a gimmick that had never, ever touched comedy before? I feel like I'm living in a Bizarro World where we're getting UnderFaker revisionism.
As to answer the OP's question, maybe actually book an appearance, or TEASE an appearance, by Mark Callaway before the show to at least try and get over what the hell is actually going on. Instead of leaving the match announcement up to a studio update because your Domino's Pizza sponsorship dictates that you announce the match at a certain time.
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 25, 2019 19:49:23 GMT -5
As has been said, having a halfway decent performer as the Underfaker. And also being attached to the utterly atrocious Million Dollar Corporation did not help.
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Post by petef3 on Mar 25, 2019 20:17:26 GMT -5
As has been said, having a halfway decent performer as the Underfaker. What would this accomplish, exactly? And "decent performer" in what sense? Being able to do moonsaults? If your job was imitating the Undertaker, then to me that would make you a pretty crappy "performer," instead of decent. The very gimmick of the time almost precluded someone from being able to even be a "decent performer." Lee did as well as possible under the circumstances. As Jim Cornette pointed out, the Road Warriors drew better with Arn & Tully and the Midnights and the Briscos than they did with the Skyscrapers and Powers of Pain. Why? Because the latter feuds were "Rock vs. Rock--you need Paper or Scissors in there."
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Mar 26, 2019 7:31:40 GMT -5
The concept of undertaker vs undertaker was a strange one. Was it supposed to be a guy dibiase was supposed to be passing off as the undertaker hence underfaker? Was it supposed to be that he conjured the spirit of the heel undertaker from years back? I didn't get the appeal of seeing taker face off with someone dressed like himself. I didn't see the emotional connection there was with kane years later. Was there any way this presentation could have been better? In hindsight, there were so many more questions than answers. Who was this second Undertaker? He was vanquished by the real deal, but what happened to him afterwards? Why didn't DiBiase still use the 2nd Undertaker afterward, since he obviously still was a force to reckon with? WHY THE HELL WAS THIS THE CLOSER WHEN BRET/OWEN WAS THE BIGGEST ANGLE/FEUD OF THE YEAR? What were the final results behind the Drebin investigation, and when will the report be made public?! I'm sure young Spauldo enjoyed it, because Undertaker is an amazing character, but I think it has now become one of those "so bad, it's good" moments in wrestling for all the cheese and camp.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 8:01:10 GMT -5
I'm not seeing what was so wrong with Brian Lee. He did a phenomenal job imitating Undertaker's movements and overall ring style up to that point. What more could be asked?
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