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Post by ChitownKnight on Mar 26, 2019 9:16:25 GMT -5
As rare as it is, there are times where WWE does something right and the fans don’t accept it at first. What are some examples of this? From recent memory, here is my list:
-The Bryan heel turn: people didn’t want it at first but now everyone thinks he’s a great heel -The Braun lush: even though wwe ended up screwing it up by not giving him the title by now, everyone ended up loving him even though people didn’t initially want him to get pushed -Batista winning the 2014 rumble: whether intentional or not, everything ended up working out for the better at the end
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 26, 2019 9:21:49 GMT -5
"WWE did something that got rejected and then had to go to insane lengths to fix it and keep the shwo from getting shit on" is not a case of WWE being right about anything. Batista winning was the Rumble was a terrible idea that will go down as one of the most historically bad ideas of this era.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 26, 2019 9:26:12 GMT -5
"WWE did something that got rejected and then had to go to insane lengths to fix it and keep the shwo from getting shit on" is not a case of WWE being right about anything. Batista winning was the Rumble was a terrible idea that will go down as one of the most historically bad ideas of this era. Yeh,its like saying people wanted Reigns vs Lesnar(the first one)just because Rollins cashed in.Sure it had a positive end. It was still something rejected they had to fix.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Mar 26, 2019 9:29:33 GMT -5
"WWE did something that got rejected and then had to go to insane lengths to fix it and keep the shwo from getting shit on" is not a case of WWE being right about anything. Batista winning was the Rumble was a terrible idea that will go down as one of the most historically bad ideas of this era. I kind of wonder about that sometimes. It really seemed like they were grooming Bryan for a title run after he kept getting f***ed over during the fall of 2013, and after the Wyatt thing they HAD to have changed their minds. Plus doing another orton/Bryan match would of been stale. I have a hard time believing that they were gonna give Dave the title as a part timer in the main event of mania
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 26, 2019 9:39:19 GMT -5
"WWE did something that got rejected and then had to go to insane lengths to fix it and keep the shwo from getting shit on" is not a case of WWE being right about anything. Batista winning was the Rumble was a terrible idea that will go down as one of the most historically bad ideas of this era. I kind of wonder about that sometimes. It really seemed like they were grooming Bryan for a title run after he kept getting f***ed over during the fall of 2013, and after the Wyatt thing they HAD to have changed their minds. Plus doing another orton/Bryan match would of been stale. I have a hard time believing that they were gonna give Dave the title as a part timer in the main event of mania Bryan was planned for a match against Sheamus and the Wyatt stuff only changed as early as it did because the yes chant was catching on in a ton of other places. Only by February with Elimination Chamber do you see WWE changing its direction and building on the idea of "Okay Bryan is going back into the match and now we're trying to play with that idea", the actual match was 100% Orton/Batista and the company had to be dragged kicking nad screaming into some sort of alternative. Also Batista wasn't meant to be as much of a part-timer as he was, he left sooner than planned due to frustrations with the company.
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 26, 2019 9:43:29 GMT -5
Charlotte Flair winning at Summerslam. Hated at the time by many, but in hindsight it worked brilliantly for Becky having her win the title from Charlotte rather than Carmella.
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Post by sunnytaker on Mar 26, 2019 13:39:48 GMT -5
trick question "the wwe always gives the fans what they want because the wwe universe is the authority"
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 26, 2019 13:43:22 GMT -5
Maybe it's not necessarily what we wanted, but in retrospect, WWE was right not to push Daniel Bryan back to the WWE title picture in 2015. Because had they done so, it would have ended the same way Bryan's IC title reign did.
It doesn't excuse the fact they went with Reigns in that fashion when there were still a few non-Bryan, non-Reigns options on the table.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 13:49:25 GMT -5
Would them signing Ronda count? Up until she started doing these weird worked shoots, people were really enjoying her run for the most part. And even now, I'm glad she's there because without her Becky probably doesn't main event WM.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Mar 26, 2019 13:49:53 GMT -5
Steve Austin
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 14:24:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 15:18:15 GMT -5
I completely disagree about Bryan.
I hate his current character and I never wanted him to turn heel... at least not with this character anyway.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 26, 2019 16:50:05 GMT -5
"WWE did something that got rejected and then had to go to insane lengths to fix it and keep the shwo from getting shit on" is not a case of WWE being right about anything. Batista winning was the Rumble was a terrible idea that will go down as one of the most historically bad ideas of this era. I kind of wonder about that sometimes. It really seemed like they were grooming Bryan for a title run after he kept getting f***ed over during the fall of 2013, and after the Wyatt thing they HAD to have changed their minds. Plus doing another orton/Bryan match would of been stale. I have a hard time believing that they were gonna give Dave the title as a part timer in the main event of mania Don't get sucked into the revisionist history from WWE AND other people, a lot of whom weren't watching at the time. The dirtsheets constantly had news about Bryan not being the plan, and all of the booking was screaming that Bryan was not main eventing. The lengths they went to to stop fans from wanting Bryan in the main event were so ridiculous that it broke the company's entire booking, and they're now trying to do it on purpose with Kofi. Bryan winning that main event was NEVER the plan and heaven and Earth had to move (as in Punk quitting and the fans hijacking dozens of shows) for them to stop it. And all it taught them was that fans will pay to boo your show, which is how we got terrible babyface Roman for years.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 26, 2019 17:00:27 GMT -5
I kind of wonder about that sometimes. It really seemed like they were grooming Bryan for a title run after he kept getting f***ed over during the fall of 2013, and after the Wyatt thing they HAD to have changed their minds. Plus doing another orton/Bryan match would of been stale. I have a hard time believing that they were gonna give Dave the title as a part timer in the main event of mania Don't get sucked into the revisionist history from WWE AND other people, a lot of whom weren't watching at the time. The dirtsheets constantly had news about Bryan not being the plan, and all of the booking was screaming that Bryan was not main eventing. The lengths they went to to stop fans from wanting Bryan in the main event were so ridiculous that it broke the company's entire booking, and they're now trying to do it on purpose with Kofi. Bryan winning that main event was NEVER the plan and heaven and Earth had to move (as in Punk quitting and the fans hijacking dozens of shows) for them to stop it. And all it taught them was that fans will pay to boo your show, which is how we got terrible babyface Roman for years. Yeah, I was watching week to week at that point and they literally decided Bryan was set to be in the main event around 3 weeks before WrestleMania. The plan changed from Bryan/Sheamus to Bryan/Wyatt to Bryan/HHH only to what we got in real time and they were doing everything they could to at least, at LEAST, land on Bryan/HHH. Hell, the week I didn’t watch was the Occupy Raw one where they got to Bryan/HHH with Bryan going to the ME if he won with a WAY larger reaction for that then for the conventional Bryan/HHH. It was so head-scratching how much they had to be dragged kicking and screaming by the audience it was almost fascinating.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 17:27:42 GMT -5
Bryan himself said his original WM30 plan was to face Sheamus so the fact they lucked into what they did was great. That whole period from 2013/2014 was probably the most tumultuous time I've been on this forum due to everything surrounding it. I remember how heartbroken people were that he lost the title to Orton that night but you know what was even worse than that? When Bryan got HBK in the Yes Lock because that was looked at as the feud ender. Bryan was going through hell those months and it just continued to change the deeper we made it to Wrestlemania. You had the Punk stuff, the Authority stuff, Triple H, Orton, there was so much from it. Wyatt too, that Wyatt stuff was big.
The funniest thing about the whole thing is that the company tried to spin it in a way that they wanted the fans to get behind Bryan in the beginning so they could rise up to that WM30 moment. These dudes are wild lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 17:36:00 GMT -5
I think they were right on Roman Reigns being top guy material before anyone online really called it but they just tripped all over themselves doing it.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 26, 2019 17:37:12 GMT -5
Bryan himself said his original WM30 plan was to face Sheamus so the fact they lucked into what they did was great. That whole period from 2013/2014 was probably the most tumultuous time I've been on this forum due to everything surrounding it. I remember how heartbroken people were that he lost the title to Orton that night but you know what was even worse than that? When Bryan got HBK in the Yes Lock because that was looked at as the feud ender. Bryan was going through hell those months and it just continued to change the deeper we made it to Wrestlemania. You had the Punk stuff, the Authority stuff, Triple H, Orton, there was so much from it. Wyatt too, that Wyatt stuff was big. The funniest thing about the whole thing is that the company tried to spin it in a way that they wanted the fans to get behind Bryan in the beginning so they could rise up to that WM30 moment. These dudes are wild lol. Watching those shows, Bryan was such a non factor at times and was getting so over with the crowd despite that, it was hilarious. The crowd hijacking the end of PPVs were Bryan wasn’t even there, him getting the most reactions in a Orton/Cena confrontation, the hijacking twice of Orton/Cena, The Rumble moment with poor Rey, all of that lead to them at least bringing Bryan into storylines from January and THEN they tried HHH/Bryan when it was obvious that it would have lead to the biggest hijacking in WWE history with Orton/Batista. Part of it was panic stations with Punk and part of it was trying to compromise before being forced to bow in. Again, fascinating TV where you were wondering when the shoe was going to drop.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 26, 2019 17:46:42 GMT -5
Bryan himself said his original WM30 plan was to face Sheamus so the fact they lucked into what they did was great. That whole period from 2013/2014 was probably the most tumultuous time I've been on this forum due to everything surrounding it. I remember how heartbroken people were that he lost the title to Orton that night but you know what was even worse than that? When Bryan got HBK in the Yes Lock because that was looked at as the feud ender. Bryan was going through hell those months and it just continued to change the deeper we made it to Wrestlemania. You had the Punk stuff, the Authority stuff, Triple H, Orton, there was so much from it. Wyatt too, that Wyatt stuff was big. The funniest thing about the whole thing is that the company tried to spin it in a way that they wanted the fans to get behind Bryan in the beginning so they could rise up to that WM30 moment. These dudes are wild lol. Watching those shows, Bryan was such a non factor at times and was getting so over with the crowd despite that, it was hilarious. The crowd hijacking the end of PPVs were Bryan wasn’t even there, him getting the most reactions in a Orton/Cena confrontation, the hijacking twice of Orton/Cena, The Rumble moment with poor Rey, all of that lead to them at least bringing Bryan into storylines from January and THEN they tried HHH/Bryan when it was obvious that it would have lead to the biggest hijacking in WWE history with Orton/Batista. Part of it was panic stations with Punk and part of it was trying to compromise before being forced to bow in. Again, fascinating TV where you were wondering when the shoe was going to drop. The go home to the TLC Unification match with Cena and Orton, with every former champion WWE could possibly get on the show in the ring with them. Guys like Bret, Shawn, Edge, Foley, Hunter, and of course, Orton and Cena. And the Seattle crowd won't stop chanting for Daniel Bryan despite not doing anything of importance at the time. The dude was about to job to the Wyatts in a one on three Handicap match, FFS.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 26, 2019 17:50:19 GMT -5
Watching those shows, Bryan was such a non factor at times and was getting so over with the crowd despite that, it was hilarious. The crowd hijacking the end of PPVs were Bryan wasn’t even there, him getting the most reactions in a Orton/Cena confrontation, the hijacking twice of Orton/Cena, The Rumble moment with poor Rey, all of that lead to them at least bringing Bryan into storylines from January and THEN they tried HHH/Bryan when it was obvious that it would have lead to the biggest hijacking in WWE history with Orton/Batista. Part of it was panic stations with Punk and part of it was trying to compromise before being forced to bow in. Again, fascinating TV where you were wondering when the shoe was going to drop. The go home to the TLC Unification match with Cena and Orton, with every former champion WWE could possibly get on the show in the ring with them. Guys like Bret, Shawn, Edge, Foley, Hunter, and of course, Orton and Cena. And the Seattle crowd won't stop chanting for Daniel Bryan despite not doing anything of importance at the time. The dude was about to job to the Wyatts in a one on three Handicap match, FFS. And that was DECEMBER! Bryan lost the title in AUGUST! They didn't drop the shoe on the title match until MARCH! A book needs to be written about that time because, honestly, there's never been like it any other time in WWE history, even during the Attitude Era.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 17:53:08 GMT -5
Bryan himself said his original WM30 plan was to face Sheamus so the fact they lucked into what they did was great. That whole period from 2013/2014 was probably the most tumultuous time I've been on this forum due to everything surrounding it. I remember how heartbroken people were that he lost the title to Orton that night but you know what was even worse than that? When Bryan got HBK in the Yes Lock because that was looked at as the feud ender. Bryan was going through hell those months and it just continued to change the deeper we made it to Wrestlemania. You had the Punk stuff, the Authority stuff, Triple H, Orton, there was so much from it. Wyatt too, that Wyatt stuff was big. The funniest thing about the whole thing is that the company tried to spin it in a way that they wanted the fans to get behind Bryan in the beginning so they could rise up to that WM30 moment. These dudes are wild lol. Watching those shows, Bryan was such a non factor at times and was getting so over with the crowd despite that, it was hilarious. The crowd hijacking the end of PPVs were Bryan wasn’t even there, him getting the most reactions in a Orton/Cena confrontation, the hijacking twice of Orton/Cena, The Rumble moment with poor Rey, all of that lead to them at least bringing Bryan into storylines from January and THEN they tried HHH/Bryan when it was obvious that it would have lead to the biggest hijacking in WWE history with Orton/Batista. Part of it was panic stations with Punk and part of it was trying to compromise before being forced to bow in. Again, fascinating TV where you were wondering when the shoe was going to drop. They legit tried to throw in the Big Show there and even made him do the Yes Chants to try and siphon some of Bryan's energy away from him. It was to a point where even though Bryan was getting beaten down by the Authority, even though he was mingling with the Wyatts, you could see the happiness from him all due to the crowd chanting his name. I just went back and rewatched that hijack and it was a great moment. It was a weird time where no matter what the reports stated things changed on the fly. That whole year mid-2013 to mid-2014 retirement was weird for Bryan. Remember when they stopped that Orton/Bryan match that one Raw and he was upset? It was just so unpredictable. These days most of everything we see we've got a map. Sure there might be slight detours but we know what the main destination will be but then we had no idea. Then the stuff with The Shield turning face so quickly and breaking up a few weeks after due to Bryan's retirement since they needed more main event guys. In retrospect it's fascinating. It's crazy to think about.
And that was the first WM main event that I recall being controversial as to what they'd actually do. Since then we've seen the Reigns/Lesnar, Reigns/HHH, Reigns/Taker, Reigns/Lesnar and now this women's main event. All controversial to some degree. Thankfully in this WM we'll see something that has more positives than negatives.
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