Perfect Timing
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Post by Perfect Timing on Mar 26, 2019 9:27:11 GMT -5
Interesting group while it lasted but some odd members. Black supremacy with two white rappers? Later we were promised a "Bigger, Badder, Better and Blacker" version of the Nation and we got their arch nemesis Ahmed Johnson and Owen Hart...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 9:50:38 GMT -5
I was more WCW in 1997 than WWF, so a question: did Ahmed join because he was just heavily coerced (storyline wise) and broken down over time by all the NoD punishment, and when he finally cracked and joined they just beat him up anyway as further punishment? And whatever he did after that was just him finally snapping & having enough with them, but his bad in-ring style ("He hurt people. He hurt lots of people." - still the greatest Vince quote ever) got him released before the story could play out fully?
Because my recollection is that it was just a sudden and dumb heel turn that resulted in the heels just not accepting him anyway, and he went back to being a deflated face who'd betrayed the fans and he was released because he hurt people (lots of people) and stopped caring....
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Push R Truth
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Post by Push R Truth on Mar 26, 2019 9:55:28 GMT -5
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 26, 2019 10:09:35 GMT -5
Owen and I still think it was a rib.
PG13 at least were considered the hypemen and rap the walkout song.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 10:22:24 GMT -5
In my head canon, that marks the first appearance of C.M. Punk in the pro wrestling sphere.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Mar 26, 2019 10:24:41 GMT -5
Owen if you really think about it. He didn’t fit in the group at all.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Mar 26, 2019 10:35:29 GMT -5
This is about the weirdest, not the most legendary.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 26, 2019 10:38:53 GMT -5
IIRC, the USWA version had Tracy Smothers. A wild-eyed Southern Boy who's also Italian. And Black.
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Rican
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Post by Rican on Mar 26, 2019 10:38:59 GMT -5
This is my favorite wrestling GIF. Well it's close between that and Lil Naitch hauling ass to get to the ring but this one is still the champ.
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Post by msc on Mar 26, 2019 10:42:59 GMT -5
I can't get mad on Owen in the Nation, the underrated 3 week only team of The Rock and Owen Hart cracked me up. (Like I can't mad at Rock's goddawful Sharpshooter, when its a tribute to Owen, who mentored him for most of his first 3 and a bit years wrestling... Has to be Ahmed. Took the hottest face (bar Austin) in the company and killed him stone dead. I was more WCW in 1997 than WWF, so a question: did Ahmed join because he was just heavily coerced (storyline wise) and broken down over time by all the NoD punishment, and when he finally cracked and joined they just beat him up anyway as further punishment? And whatever he did after that was just him finally snapping & having enough with them, but his bad in-ring style ("He hurt people. He hurt lots of people." - still the greatest Vince quote ever) got him released before the story could play out fully? Well, they linked it into Faarooq's "WWE's so racist" promos. There was a bit where Vince asked Ahmed about Faarooq's promos and he had the great line (paraphrased): "I hate his guts, but he's got a point." Now, the way it set out leads me to believe they were intended Ahmed to be Othello to Faarooq's Iago into the Nation, only for Ahmed reassert himself and win the WWF title, and vanquish the Nation for good. However, a storm of events (Faarooq/Taker being awful, Ahmed injuries, Ahmed heat, other storylines/people taking off more) led to it seemingly jumping the gun an basically becoming: Only you know, aborted storyline but you still had the face agree the company was racist, and then ignore it. Tone deaf.
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auph10imitated
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Post by auph10imitated on Mar 26, 2019 11:13:57 GMT -5
Owen didnt fit in with the group at all, but I did enjoy his little partnership with The Rock over the summer, I think they had a few tag matches against the Outlaws, Kane & Mankind and Austin & Undertaker.
Crush didnt really fit in either, it was a bit of a weird group at the start. Crush should have just been repackaged and moved elsewhere when The Nation debuted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 11:44:36 GMT -5
Bizarre Amalgamation Nation of Domination > Revised Nation of Domination.
I'm sorry, but the visual of two white rappers, Crush, & Savio Vega accompanied by Clarence Mason and a dozen angry black men in suits is more memorable than the trimmed down version Faarooq made later.
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Post by Aceorton on Mar 26, 2019 11:47:54 GMT -5
I was more WCW in 1997 than WWF, so a question: did Ahmed join because he was just heavily coerced (storyline wise) and broken down over time by all the NoD punishment, and when he finally cracked and joined they just beat him up anyway as further punishment? And whatever he did after that was just him finally snapping & having enough with them, but his bad in-ring style ("He hurt people. He hurt lots of people." - still the greatest Vince quote ever) got him released before the story could play out fully? Because my recollection is that it was just a sudden and dumb heel turn that resulted in the heels just not accepting him anyway, and he went back to being a deflated face who'd betrayed the fans and he was released because he hurt people (lots of people) and stopped caring.... Your recollection is pretty on-point. Ahmed's whole rationale for turning seemed to be "I'm joining my enemy because the real enemy is the racist WWF, which somehow also includes the Undertaker." That was in June. Then he blew out his knee in the scuffle with the DOA after his first Nation promo. He was supposed to have faced Undertaker for the WWF title at the Calgary Stampede pay-per-view, but since he was hurt, they threw Vader in with Taker instead because Faarooq-Taker had been such a stinker at KOTR (Faarooq complained a Nation member should have replaced Ahmed and that it was more racism). Then Ahmed returned in August and they had the group almost immediately turn on him, which made him look totally pathetic. He was just aimless after that, and like you said, he had betrayed the fans just a couple months earlier, so he no longer had significant support. They fed him to Kane. He pinned Faarooq early in a Survivor Series elimination match (the final "justice" for what had happened, I guess), but was eliminated by his replacement, the Rock, in a match that was really just a showcase for Shamrock to plow through the rest of the Nation. He was made to look like a chump at the Royal Rumble (Kama shoved him in the aisle as he was heading back after being eliminated, and he did nothing to retaliate). And then they allegedly wanted him to put over Kurrgan (some say Chyna as well) and he refused, so they realized he didn't even have value jobbing.
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Post by S-Chrome on Mar 26, 2019 11:56:08 GMT -5
Of course Owen fit in the Nation. He was the Black Hart, dammit!
My choice is always Ahmed Johnson for the reasons previously mentioned. Luckily, if it wasn’t for his hurting people and getting hurt, The Rock’s path to superstardom would’ve been a lot murkier.
Plus Faarooq’s promo after Ahmed got kicked out. “YOU COULDNT BE WHITE IF THEY SANDBLASTED YO ASS 100 TIMES!”
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Post by auph10imitated on Mar 26, 2019 12:05:36 GMT -5
Did Ahmed actually ever wrestle as part of the NOD? Or was it just brawls? I ask because I cant recall what his ring outfit was
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Post by Dub H on Mar 26, 2019 12:09:12 GMT -5
This is my favorite wrestling GIF. Well it's close between that and Lil Naitch hauling ass to get to the ring but this one is still the champ.
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Rican
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Post by Rican on Mar 26, 2019 12:10:20 GMT -5
This is my favorite wrestling GIF. Well it's close between that and Lil Naitch hauling ass to get to the ring but this one is still the champ. This thread has everything!
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Post by Prince Petty on Mar 26, 2019 12:20:52 GMT -5
Crush. As far as I can recall, Farooq was all about Black Nationalism from the start of that group, and you also had Clarence Mason and a couple of other skinny guys dressed to look like Nation of Islam officials, yet they had Crush and Savio Vega as other members. But at least Savio wasn't a white guy.
Ahmed was added, I guess, because they wanted to make it clear that it was about black identity. But then he got hurt, and then he got fired.
By the time Owen joined, it wasn't about black power any more. The Rock didn't give a damn about the politics Farooq had pushed, he just saw the Nation as his route to the top.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 26, 2019 17:07:53 GMT -5
I wasn't watching at the time, but Owen has always been the most jarring one to me. Even more so than Crush.
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Post by edgestar on Mar 26, 2019 20:02:10 GMT -5
Came here for Nation Guy. Wasn't disappointed.
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