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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Mar 26, 2019 13:43:19 GMT -5
Bad move. Even if it’s allowed the indies and almost certainly AEW will hold an independent wrestling fest in some nearby area. The WWE doesn’t have a lot of goodwill at the moment and all that is missing is a tipping point where they start to slide downwards, I wouldn't count on AEW doing ANYTHING on any Mania weekend any time soon, if ever. Cody seemed pretty clear about that recently on Twitter as I recall. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 26, 2019 13:45:23 GMT -5
Bad move. Even if it’s allowed the indies and almost certainly AEW will hold an independent wrestling fest in some nearby area. The WWE doesn’t have a lot of goodwill at the moment and all that is missing is a tipping point where they start to slide downwards, I wouldn't count on AEW doing ANYTHING on any Mania weekend any time soon, if ever. Cody seemed pretty clear about that recently on Twitter as I recall. Which, hey, I give them props for that. It’d be so easy to be involved in that and overshadow everything by being a bigger entity (by default of money and backing power, not of anything long term significant yet) so let their talent go on those shows and have people scout them. Also, to add to another point, NXT sold out instantly after the move to Friday and they went on sale. |
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 26, 2019 13:56:12 GMT -5
Bad move. Even if it’s allowed the indies and almost certainly AEW will hold an independent wrestling fest in some nearby area. The WWE doesn’t have a lot of goodwill at the moment and all that is missing is a tipping point where they start to slide downwards, I wouldn't count on AEW doing ANYTHING on any Mania weekend any time soon, if ever. Cody seemed pretty clear about that recently on Twitter as I recall. Right he said something about not wanting to piggyback off WWE's work. |
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Post by KofiMania on Mar 26, 2019 13:56:18 GMT -5
I think Hall of Fame and Smackdown have not sold out yet. If WWE can't sell out a Smackdown in their home base then that's an issue with Smackdown, not with other indie shows happening in the area. The majority of the indie shows going on are in small venues that don't have the capacity to be any real threat to that bottom line, but between the tens of thousands of people flying in and the local fans, any WWE show not selling out is doing so because of downturns in product interest, not Wrestlecon. There's no excuse for the Barclay's Center not being sold out that doesn't come 101% from within. That all sounds good in theory, but again some people have limited budgets and may choose to go to an indie event or convention and see Smackdown as the least valuable of the 5 WWE shows that week and decide to then not go to Smackdown. |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Mar 26, 2019 13:57:22 GMT -5
I’m not sure if research has ever been done, but I’d guess at least a portion of those traveling to the city have no interest in Wrestlemania and are there for either other big shows or cons, in which case the city certainly has a vested interest in those events going forward. Call the E’s bluff!
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 26, 2019 14:05:51 GMT -5
If WWE can't sell out a Smackdown in their home base then that's an issue with Smackdown, not with other indie shows happening in the area. The majority of the indie shows going on are in small venues that don't have the capacity to be any real threat to that bottom line, but between the tens of thousands of people flying in and the local fans, any WWE show not selling out is doing so because of downturns in product interest, not Wrestlecon. There's no excuse for the Barclay's Center not being sold out that doesn't come 101% from within. That all sounds good in theory, but again some people have limited budgets and may choose to go to an indie event or convention and see Smackdown as the least valuable of the 5 WWE shows that week and decide to then not go to Smackdown. And that sounsd good in theory, but most of the venues for these indie shows seat only a few hundred, and while not everyone will be going to every show there are definitely people locking down tickets to every show at a venue for those days. It also raises the question of why the post-Mania SMackdown wouldn't be higher a priority for anyone than say Josh Barnett's Bloodsport. These shows aren't as expensive as WWE tickets are, and if spending money on the competitor is not an alternative because other shows aren't available but a more appealing choice, that's something WWE needs to fix from within instead of just trying to chase away all of their competition. I'm not sure adding up all the seats of the independent shows that weekend will even amount to the 85,000 seats for Wrestlemania, and there's bound to be a horde of local fans who aren't going to Mania who could go to a Smackdown, but are choosing not to. But even within the confines of your own argument if we take the threat of indie shows as a danger to their bottom line, Smackdown is faltering because it's the 'least valuable' of the shows that weekend. WWE could try making a better show that people want to buy tickets to rather than playing with fire and antitrust laws. |
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 26, 2019 14:16:10 GMT -5
I'd 100% give more money to the indies running in the shadow of WM that to WWE itself. I know I'm just one person, but this is goddamn ridiculous for them to even float the idea, much less probably do everything in their power to make it come true.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Mar 26, 2019 14:17:23 GMT -5
I don’t think the WWE could stop other non-affliated wrestling events from happening unless they book the venues themselves and just don’t use them. And even so, in cities the size that host Wrestlemania, that’s practically impossible to book every Indy-sized venue. Let’s say they somehow book every venue in Tampa. St Petersburg is right across the bay.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Mar 26, 2019 14:44:05 GMT -5
So...this information is coming without context from a shit website, who got THEIR information from another shit website who basically rewords their articles from shitty Dave Meltzer.
They won't (can't) site a source, of course, just the mystery "someone I know very well" who is supposedly involved in an event that is still over a year away.
...seems totally legit.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 26, 2019 16:16:54 GMT -5
This is all because of that Cimasso Tampa. Well, I hope you enjoy jail with Perd. |
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Mar 26, 2019 16:30:49 GMT -5
This is all because of that Cimasso Tampa. Tomasso's loser brother? He has a head full of beard hair and nothing where his beard should be |
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Post by floundertime on Mar 26, 2019 16:47:20 GMT -5
So...this information is coming without context from a shit website, who got THEIR information from another shit website who basically rewords their articles from shitty Dave Meltzer. They won't (can't) site a source, of course, just the mystery "someone I know very well" who is supposedly involved in an event that is still over a year away. ...seems totally legit. This may or may not be true.....Rajah.com |
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Post by Dean-o on Mar 26, 2019 18:16:57 GMT -5
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Post by abjordans on Mar 26, 2019 18:20:31 GMT -5
I think this is a bad move because I don’t think Mania is the big ticket seller without a card announced for months without all the other stuff for Mania weekend. The weekend is what makes it the destination vacation for people around the world.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 26, 2019 18:26:13 GMT -5
shouldn't they be flattered that the indy's are mooching off their brand?
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 26, 2019 20:52:20 GMT -5
I’m not sure if research has ever been done, but I’d guess at least of the portion traveling to the city have no interest in Wrestlemania and are there for either other big shows or cons, in which case the city certainly has a vested interest in those events going forward. Call the E’s bluff! Speaking as a northern New Jersey resident, I'll be going to at least 8 wrestling shows that week and none of them are WWE related. By doing that I'll be spending money on food, drinks, and concessions in my own town of Jersey City, in Manhattan, and in Queens (and possibly Brooklyn if things work out a certain way). If WM was at the Meadowlands this year and somehow the various indies and other promotions got blocked from running around this area, I'd spend no money on the weekend whatsoever. So yeah, anecdotal for sure, but the cities aren't in this to benefit WWE, they're in this because WM weekend brings in a lot of people and a lot of revenue across the city/area. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 21:04:30 GMT -5
If they succeed they're probably doing AEW a bigger favor than they're doing anything for themselves from that move.
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Mar 26, 2019 21:11:53 GMT -5
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Post by nisidhe on Mar 26, 2019 21:38:55 GMT -5
I can't see it being legal _unless_ WWE were to book every venue to sit empty that weekend, paying enough so that those venues didn't also lose money on concessions, etc. Even then, it wouldn't take long for certain promotions to start a bidding war with WWE to open those venues back up. WWE would face losing money on WM weekend if it has to pay inflated booking fees for every venue within city limits; then, there's always a nearby town or rival city not that far down the road that'll happily take an indie's money, thankyouverymuch, to hold their card/merch pop-up/fan event there, where others will quickly follow suit.
There's the political cost as well for any city council that would allow such restrictions in access to publicly-supported venues. The idea that a single corporation could, on a whim, persuade that council to block access to other tenants should rightly be enough for other prospective tenants for those venues to give the city a hard pass on future events. That might cause enough of a downturn in revenues for voters to throw out those council members come election time.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 26, 2019 21:43:19 GMT -5
That all sounds good in theory, but again some people have limited budgets and may choose to go to an indie event or convention and see Smackdown as the least valuable of the 5 WWE shows that week and decide to then not go to Smackdown. And that sounsd good in theory, but most of the venues for these indie shows seat only a few hundred, and while not everyone will be going to every show there are definitely people locking down tickets to every show at a venue for those days. It also raises the question of why the post-Mania SMackdown wouldn't be higher a priority for anyone than say Josh Barnett's Bloodsport. These shows aren't as expensive as WWE tickets are, and if spending money on the competitor is not an alternative because other shows aren't available but a more appealing choice, that's something WWE needs to fix from within instead of just trying to chase away all of their competition. I'm not sure adding up all the seats of the independent shows that weekend will even amount to the 85,000 seats for Wrestlemania, and there's bound to be a horde of local fans who aren't going to Mania who could go to a Smackdown, but are choosing not to. But even within the confines of your own argument if we take the threat of indie shows as a danger to their bottom line, Smackdown is faltering because it's the 'least valuable' of the shows that weekend. WWE could try making a better show that people want to buy tickets to rather than playing with fire and antitrust laws. Well, Smackdown is going to be interesting next year, because it'll be the pre-Mania Smackdown on Friday night. |
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