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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 27, 2019 0:41:28 GMT -5
Mainly, I just feel bad for Asuka. Sne lost her streak, last year. Maybe she thought winning at TLC was the start of something big. Then they put her over clean against their hottest star. Which went absolutely nowhere. And tonight’s just the icing on the cake. Even if it’s not the case, it’d be only human, to think the company you work for doesn’t really value you. I felt bad for her earlier but then after looking at her accomplishments I stopped feeling bad. I mean she was undefeated for 2 years in NXT, was NXT Women's Champion, didn't lose the title through pin or submission, won the first ever Women's Rumble, won the SDL Women's Title in a TLC match and she made Becky tap out moths ago. Yeah she had a bad hand here but after all of her accomplishments, I'm not that mad anymore. Other wrestlers don't get 1/8th of what she's gained. Given all of what she's done I doubt she cares much. In a sense it's evening out
She should have lost before she left NXT and if you combine her NXT and main roster time she was undefeated for like 2 years and won the Rumble. They value her, but not the value people want. She's right there with the top women in terms of accomplishment so yeah I don't buy into this she should go back to Japan where she is really appreciated, sadly the realization in WWE is you have up and downs and she was up for a very long time
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Post by deezy on Mar 27, 2019 0:42:04 GMT -5
As a Charlotte fan I'm happy with this. Even though I know where it's all heading now. So I'm going to enjoy the ride while it last.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 0:44:02 GMT -5
I felt bad for her earlier but then after looking at her accomplishments I stopped feeling bad. I mean she was undefeated for 2 years in NXT, was NXT Women's Champion, didn't lose the title through pin or submission, won the first ever Women's Rumble, won the SDL Women's Title in a TLC match and she made Becky tap out moths ago. Yeah she had a bad hand here but after all of her accomplishments, I'm not that mad anymore. Other wrestlers don't get 1/8th of what she's gained. Given all of what she's done I doubt she cares much. In a sense it's evening out She should have lost before she left NXT and if you combine her NXT and main roster time she was undefeated for like 2 years and won the Rumble. They value her, but not the value people want. She's right there with the top women in terms of accomplishment so yeah I don't buy into this she should go back to Japan where she is really appreciated, sadly the realization in WWE is you have up and downs and she was up for a very long time
Exactly. They clearly appreciate her a great amount, more than most superstars. Not everybody's booking can be perfect. Even AJ, as much as his booking has been great, had some small rough spots.
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Post by lildude8218 on Mar 27, 2019 0:44:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure why everyone is so confused about this.
You see, what happened was, Charlotte made Asuka tap out in a match where the title was on the line. That's why Charlotte is champion now.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 27, 2019 1:07:16 GMT -5
I’ll echo what I said around the time. So...I don’t hate the idea of this but...why? You don’t really need to complicate a story with this considering you’ve already complicated things way too much already. Like, I don’t get a sense of “Oooooh, I wonder what’ll happen next week on Raw” vibe from all this as much as a “So what made Vince panic and want to change the title when there was a pre-booked contenders match and what does this mean for the three way?” thing and that doesn’t really make me want to watch that closely as a viewer. As me and @nichotine briefly spoke about, you CAN do an angle like this and make it way more interesting. Charlotte wins it at the Rumble and Ronda on Raw calls out Charlotte for her insecurities about not having a belt like she does, Becky announces she wants Ronda in a match and it basically turns into a three way pissing contest about whose the worthiest challenger with all three poking the bear. It leads to mass brawls nearer to WrestleMania and whichever authority figure you want comes out and says “You’re causing way too much damn chaos here, it’s a triple threat and both the titles are on the line”. Instead we got angle after angle after angle about both women wanting Ronda and her Raw women’s title with suspensions, injury angles, authority figures, doctors clearances, shoot promos and other nonsense with that being built for weeks and suddenly Charlotte’s the Smackdown women’s champion two weeks before WrestleMania because...I don’t know, Raw’s ratings are down? Asuka’s not being credible enough with her -27,000 TV appearances since the Rumble? Vince needed to be talked about despite announcing a genuinely historic wrestling main event? It’s been a problem with WWE for a long time; stuff feels both mechanical and in a constant state of flux, even when it tries to be unpredictable and off the wall. It doesn’t invest people in a story as much as it makes me go “Well, that was a moment despite having no context in story, I guess?”
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 27, 2019 1:16:54 GMT -5
Instead we got angle after angle after angle about both women wanting Ronda and her Raw women’s title with suspensions, injury angles, authority figures, doctors clearances, shoot promos and other nonsense with that being built for weeks and suddenly Charlotte’s the Smackdown women’s champion two weeks before WrestleMania because...I don’t know, Raw’s ratings are down? Asuka’s not being credible enough with her -27,000 TV appearances since the Rumble? Vince needed to be talked about despite announcing a genuinely historic wrestling main event? Because they want that end shot at WrestleMania of Lynch with the RAW belt, Charlotte with the SmackDown belt and Banks and Bayley with the tag belts, four fingers, pyro, ballyhoo, gold, in the montages for the next 50 years. Achievement Unlocked: "We Saved Women", like. I'm not saying I agree with that, in fact I think it somewhat undermines Lynch and Charlotte's characters to be cool enough with each other to do that, I'm just saying that is precisely why they did this.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 27, 2019 1:23:54 GMT -5
Instead we got angle after angle after angle about both women wanting Ronda and her Raw women’s title with suspensions, injury angles, authority figures, doctors clearances, shoot promos and other nonsense with that being built for weeks and suddenly Charlotte’s the Smackdown women’s champion two weeks before WrestleMania because...I don’t know, Raw’s ratings are down? Asuka’s not being credible enough with her -27,000 TV appearances since the Rumble? Vince needed to be talked about despite announcing a genuinely historic wrestling main event? Because they want that end shot at WrestleMania of Lynch with the RAW belt, Charlotte with the SmackDown belt and Banks and Bayley with the tag belts, four fingers, pyro, ballyhoo, gold, in the montages for the next 50 years. Achievement Unlocked: "We Saved Women", like. I'm not saying I agree with that, in fact I think it somewhat undermines Lynch and Charlotte's characters somewhat to be cool enough with each other to do that, I'm just saying that it precisely why they did this. Oh, I can absolutely see them wanting that but if they wanted that, there was a MUCH easier way to get there. Hell, you’d have that if Becky won against Asuka and overcame the odds to retain it before losing to Charlotte and getting involved with Ronda. Again, this doesn’t feel like a part of the story or even something that leads to that moment but it feels like the scene of Spongebob Squarepants where inside Spongebob’s head, everything’s on fire and a riot has broken out without the context of why that is.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Mar 27, 2019 1:40:01 GMT -5
*footage not shown* HHH excusing himself from the backstage area and going outside to beat the shit out of cars with his sledgehammer. But for reals tho, wanna know what pissed me off just as much as Asuka losing? This picture here (a shot I captured for my video review): It's cool showing that everyone is solidly behind Kofi, but ASUKA JUST LOST HER f***ING TITLE!! Like...LITERALLY just lost her championship less than an hour ago!! She should not be happy and dancing. FFS.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 1:41:27 GMT -5
*footage not shown* HHH excusing himself from the backstage area and going outside to beat the shit out of cars with his sledgehammer. If anything he's probably off wondering if this will make Ric finally accept all his love letters.
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Post by Topher is Human on Mar 27, 2019 1:46:31 GMT -5
The booking decision is vexing to say the least, but acting like Asuka has been buried during her run in WWE is a pretty bad case of hyperbole.
Had the longest winning streak in WWE (and by extension WCW) history (which has to eventually come to an end), had a long as hell NXT title reign where she was an unstoppable world beater, won the first Royal Rumble, beat literally everyone on RAW clean (including the champion). Main evented a PPV where she beat Becky Lynch and Charlotte for the women’s title, then beat Becky Lynch clean at the Royal Rumble.
That’s an all-time great resume. She might not be the person they are currently 100% behind right now, but she has had an incredible WWE run.
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Post by bearned on Mar 27, 2019 1:47:59 GMT -5
Maybe this has been covered by why not just make the women’s mania match a fatal four way? Adding Asuka to the mix would definitely make the match better.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 27, 2019 1:53:28 GMT -5
Maybe this has been covered by why not just make the women’s mania match a fatal four way? Adding Asuka to the mix would definitely make the match better. You know, I’d say that wouldn’t make much sense since Asuka hasn’t had much to do with the wider Ronda/Becky/Charlotte story but apparently things get planned by what gets the most social media pops so it might as well happen at this point? *shrug*
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 1:57:06 GMT -5
Main evented a PPV where she beat Becky Lynch and Charlotte for the women’s title, then beat Becky Lynch clean at the Royal Rumble. I'd be a lot more inclined to put stock in those if not for the combined factors of... 1. Her winning the title wasn't clean and was basically just done because they needed Charlotte and Becky free for the Rumble. 2. They proceeded to undercut her beating Becky clean in every way they possibly could, first by focusing entirely on Becky in the aftermath, then by refusing to recap or allude to it, then having Asuka vanish from TV for a month. 3. They just aborted a storyline she had going with Sonya and Mandy to do this, and she now has no apparent direction with one show left before WrestleMania. That to me doesn't read as, "They see value in her but have nothing for her right now." It registers as, "They know she's the second most popular woman SmackDown's got so they'll turn to her if they have no choice, but they'll be damned if they're going to actually do anything with her." If they actually cared at all about Asuka or the SmackDown Women's division they could have spent the past two months building up a decent Mania challenger for her instead of having her all but completely vanish since the Rumble and then feeding her to the wolves with zero build directly before the show. All the further evidenced by them clearly only having had her win the Rumble to build up Charlotte for Rousey and the way they fed her to a heatless Carmella over and over.
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 27, 2019 2:00:53 GMT -5
Nobody should be happy about this, not even Charlotte fans Like it or not this woman is overbooked, and put into everything. You can say the Nepotism thing is pushing it, but that's really what it feels like. She is an EIGHT TIME CHAMPION and she has really only been a prominant figure for FOUR YEARS. She is HALF WAY to her Fathers Title Reign Record, and people don't see an issue?? I said it in the thread, whether intentional or not, it's hard to watch WWE book Non-US Wrestlers, Foreign Wrestlers always seem to get held down or screwed over by the company outside of some extremely rare moments or exceptions, and Asuka and Nakamura are no different. They were so close with the both of them, and then both of them turned into absolute shit thanks to booking and them seemingly not giving any sort of a shit. It fuels the "Vince is an out of touch racist" arguments because it really starts to feel that way, again, even if it isn't the intent or purpose. What I can honestly say is, WWE sucks, their product is dumpster fire, and after that I have basically no interest to watch WrestleMana, because this card is a heaping pile of shit they have clearly shown they don't care about so why should we? Just screw this, screw all of it. I get annoyed by a ton of WWE decisions, rarely do I ever get actually UPSET. This is one of those times. This company needs a wake up call in the worst way and I fear it'll never come or if it does it'll be way too late. Dude. Stop watching. Seriously nothing about the WWE is worth getting this angry over. Find another promotion to invest time into or if you have the Network, pick a favourite point in history and watch that. I'm not being antagonistic. I'm just saying, they aren't worth it.
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 27, 2019 2:12:24 GMT -5
Also. Just something worth pondering to explain this shit.
The UFC have recently done a lot of matches where a champion chases another belt. They might decide it's just for the one belt at Mania and play up the idea of Charlotte potentially becoming double champ rather than unifying the belts as their effort to create some intrigue regarding Charlotte winning.
Which isn't the smartest thing but I can see what they might be going for.
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Post by schma on Mar 27, 2019 2:14:17 GMT -5
I got the impression that this was done to make Charlotte seem like more of a threat in this triple threat since I figure nearly everyone is betting on either Ronda or Becky. I've seen comments about unifying titles and curtain call. Unifying titles makes no sense when WWE is months away from going to separate networks. The curtain call argument makes sense as something they can pull out but if that is the reason she beat Asuka tonight, that's freaking horsecrap. It was kind of an FU to the Smackdown's women division despite them being one of the more solidly good parts of WWE for quite some time. It's almost like they figured with the Women's tag they better get rid of the Women's Smackdown Title match. The past two months have been dire for that title given that it disappeared for a while. It's weird to think that just six months ago Evolution was one of the best PPVs of the year but it seems like the women are still getting shunted down apart from Ronda, Becky and Charlotte. That may be more because booking in the lead up to WM often pushes capable talent to the side but its still a bit disheartening. Most of the women's matches this month have been only a few minutes which seems like an odd choice.
TLDR I don't like this and I think it was done for all the wrong reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 2:26:25 GMT -5
It's weird to think that just six months ago Evolution was one of the best PPVs of the year It's abundantly clear Evolution was only done to try and offset bad press from Crown Jewel right after it (granted they got a whole lot WORSE press than expected but they couldn't have known that at the time Evolution was put together). The present concurrent rumors that women might be able to work Greatest Fatal Four Way or whatever the post-Mania show and that they're not planning to do Evolution again together make it pretty clear what that was. Which is also why rather than leave any of their production A-team behind for it they left it to the NXT crew, because no one involved actually cared about it. Which really is probably why it was good (I guess, I didn't watch it admittedly; was on a break from the product for awhile at that point), WWE's usually better the less Vince cares about it.
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Post by bearned on Mar 27, 2019 2:45:19 GMT -5
Maybe this has been covered by why not just make the women’s mania match a fatal four way? Adding Asuka to the mix would definitely make the match better. You know, I’d say that wouldn’t make much sense since Asuka hasn’t had much to do with the wider Ronda/Becky/Charlotte story but apparently things get planned by what gets the most social media pops so it might as well happen at this point? *shrug* Yeah I was thinking more that they should have booked this weeks ago and then woven Asuka into the story. Clearly everything is being booked on the fly these days though so meh
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Post by schma on Mar 27, 2019 2:48:17 GMT -5
It's weird to think that just six months ago Evolution was one of the best PPVs of the year It's abundantly clear Evolution was only done to try and offset bad press from Crown Jewel right after it (granted they got a whole lot WORSE press than expected but they couldn't have known that at the time Evolution was put together). The present concurrent rumors that women might be able to work Greatest Fatal Four Way or whatever the post-Mania show and that they're not planning to do Evolution again together make it pretty clear what that was. Which is also why rather than leave any of their production A-team behind for it they left it to the NXT crew, because no one involved actually cared about it. Which really is probably why it was good (I guess, I didn't watch it admittedly; was on a break from the product for awhile at that point), WWE's usually better the less Vince cares about it. Oh I realize it was a PR move so they didn't look so bad for the Saudi Arabia stuff but it was genuinely one of the best shows of the year. So many of the matches were good to fantastic, few if any stinkers that I can remember. I think the ladies had something to prove there and they did it in spades. I figured that show should have opened some eyes.
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Post by Doctor No on Mar 27, 2019 3:08:19 GMT -5
Charlotte having the title as the 3rd wheel of the Mania main event HeLpS eLeVaTe tHe EnTIRe DiVISioN 🤪🤪🤪
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