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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 29, 2019 17:40:45 GMT -5
Let’s be honest. Without Rousey, there’s no women’s PPV and no Wrestlemania main event. She’s the cash cow. Yes all the other women are great and I enjoy watching them but this is how this company works. They don’t trust any of their new stars to be a draw. That’s why they’re relying on UFC draws like Rousey and Lesnar to sell their PPVs. And if that doesn’t work, they bring back part timers like HHH, Batista, Rock, Cena and Taker. I’m worried to see where this womens Evolution will be when Rousey inevitably leaves the company... I mean, if we want to get really technical; nobody’s drawing if we’re comparing it to peak WWE or even WWE of 5-10 years ago. Hell, those names you mentioned have had recent returns that have done jack for ratings. HHH? Nothing. Batista? Nada. Cena? Cena isn’t a draw in any way shape or form in WWE anymore. Like, Ronda Rousey might as well be Brie Larson or Kaleu Cuoco or Beyoncé or any other woman that’s actually a significant presence in popular culture and it’d still do utter Jack crap in the ratings. Why? Because WWE’s stained their product so much in the last decade and a bit that they’re pestering NBC Universal into trying to get something that IS getting traction at the moment in Saturday Night Live to gain literally anything. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 17:44:13 GMT -5
I'm not surprised by this news as given how they treat Ronda, it makes sense. I mean Becky's whole title win at WM is dependent upon when Ronda's leaving the company. Besides that it really makes you think. Does Vince and his dudes really care about the women's evolution or do they care about the press? Triple H surely does but Vince? We'll see.
Ronda Rousey's got the female Lesnar contract thing going on. "Yeah you're pushed ladies but Ronda's contract tho."
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Post by abjordans on Mar 29, 2019 18:02:55 GMT -5
Women’s PPV seems pretty obsolete when the women main event Mania and main event PPVs and tv pretty regularly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 20:40:20 GMT -5
I'm not surprised by this news as given how they treat Ronda, it makes sense. I mean Becky's whole title win at WM is dependent upon when Ronda's leaving the company. Besides that it really makes you think. Does Vince and his dudes really care about the women's evolution or do they care about the press? Triple H surely does but Vince? We'll see. Ronda Rousey's got the female Lesnar contract thing going on. "Yeah you're pushed ladies but Ronda's contract tho." Given Vince’s history and age, I’m willing to bet he cares as much about the “women’s evolution” as the fans care about Baron Corbin. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 20:57:01 GMT -5
I'm not surprised by this news as given how they treat Ronda, it makes sense. I mean Becky's whole title win at WM is dependent upon when Ronda's leaving the company. Besides that it really makes you think. Does Vince and his dudes really care about the women's evolution or do they care about the press? Triple H surely does but Vince? We'll see. Ronda Rousey's got the female Lesnar contract thing going on. "Yeah you're pushed ladies but Ronda's contract tho." Given Vince’s history and age, I’m willing to bet he cares as much about the “women’s evolution” as the fans care about Baron Corbin. Yeah you're probably 100% sure about that. |
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Post by Ryushinku on Mar 30, 2019 16:24:14 GMT -5
This is also a sneaky way to gauge the level of interest, naturally.
Once WrestleMania is dealt with, especially if the main event delivers big as expected, I hope they do confirm it pronto.
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Post by papagiorgio on Mar 31, 2019 10:22:34 GMT -5
With women getting more & bigger matches on PPVs including headlining a Wrestlemania, it isn't really necessary. I might be tempted to keep it around though as a pay day for them since they don't get to be on the Saudi Arabia shows.
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Post by darbus alan on Mar 31, 2019 12:39:42 GMT -5
It's pretty sad that Becky Lynch is probably the biggest merch mover in the company and the person to build the women's division around instead of a UFC hasbeen. But nope, in Vince's eyes, it's Rousey's division and when she leaves, it might as well not exist in spite of any evidence to the contrary.
The day Vince either finally decides to retire or ends up in a box six feet under will be the day we might actually see some real positive change. This company's been run as a septuagenarian's vanity project for far too long.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Mar 31, 2019 20:49:30 GMT -5
Doesn't seem necessary. With the exception of the Saudi Arabia shows theres no more male specific shows any longer.
The women have kind of just become a standard part of the programming now. Which is probably the way it should be.
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Post by Fauxnaki on Apr 1, 2019 8:05:27 GMT -5
Well to be fair I didn't watch it
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2019 8:17:48 GMT -5
Honestly I have a real bad feeling that the women's division is gonna get super shoved in the background once Ronda is gone. I don't have a bad feeling, it's going to happen. The way they treated Asuka last week cements that. It's gonna be all about Becky and Charlotte in the main and Sasha and Bayley in the Tag because HORSEWOMEN AMIRITE? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 9:04:22 GMT -5
Honestly I really don't at all buy the, "There's a women's Mania main event now, progress is done!" thing if only because... just look at the rest of the Mania card. They're at 14 matches right now and outside of the main event, which is clearly only the main event because after a year they're still chasing the myth of Ronda still being popular in the mainstream, they're just cramming every woman in the company into a pair of clusterf***s, one of which probably isn't even going to make the main card.
Freaking WrestleMania 22 had more of substance going on for the women's division at large and that show had a Playboy pillow fight and Sharmell fighting the Boogeyman.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 1, 2019 9:08:44 GMT -5
Honestly I really don't at all buy the, "There's a women's Mania main event now, progress is done!" thing if only because... just look at the rest of the Mania card. They're at 14 matches right now and outside of the main event, which is clearly only the main event because after a year they're still chasing the myth of Ronda still being popular in the mainstream, they're just cramming every woman in the company into a pair of clusterf***s, one of which probably isn't even going to make the main card. Freaking WrestleMania 22 more of substance going on for the women's division at large and that show had a Playboy pillow fight and Sharmell fighting the Boogeyman. Heck, and I say this shaking my head profusely, I'd take Asuka/Rose/Deville for the Smackdown title right now because, even though it's really dumb, there is a story context for it. Like, I feel rightful progress can be made when we can have a personal feud like Miz/Shane or even something like an Orton/Styles rivalry be a part of the WrestleMania card without a belt needed. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 9:23:09 GMT -5
Honestly I really don't at all buy the, "There's a women's Mania main event now, progress is done!" thing if only because... just look at the rest of the Mania card. They're at 14 matches right now and outside of the main event, which is clearly only the main event because after a year they're still chasing the myth of Ronda still being popular in the mainstream, they're just cramming every woman in the company into a pair of clusterf***s, one of which probably isn't even going to make the main card. Freaking WrestleMania 22 more of substance going on for the women's division at large and that show had a Playboy pillow fight and Sharmell fighting the Boogeyman. Heck, and I say this shaking my head profusely, I'd take Asuka/Rose/Deville for the Smackdown title right now because, even though it's really dumb, there is a story context for it. Like, I feel rightful progress can be made when we can have a personal feud like Miz/Shane or even something like an Orton/Styles rivalry be a part of the WrestleMania card without a belt needed. As best I can tell from some quick digging around, the only time there's ever been a non-title singles match between women at Mania that didn't have some fanservicey gimmick was Jacqueline vs. Ivory at 15. ... It was on Heat and was under two minutes. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 1, 2019 9:26:30 GMT -5
Heck, and I say this shaking my head profusely, I'd take Asuka/Rose/Deville for the Smackdown title right now because, even though it's really dumb, there is a story context for it. Like, I feel rightful progress can be made when we can have a personal feud like Miz/Shane or even something like an Orton/Styles rivalry be a part of the WrestleMania card without a belt needed. As best I can tell from some quick digging around, the only time there's ever been a non-title singles match between women at Mania that didn't have some fanservicey gimmick was Jacqueline vs. Ivory at 15. ... It was on Heat and was under two minutes. Jesus. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 9:33:17 GMT -5
As best I can tell from some quick digging around, the only time there's ever been a non-title singles match between women at Mania that didn't have some fanservicey gimmick was Jacqueline vs. Ivory at 15. ... It was on Heat and was under two minutes. Jesus. Hell, as recently as Mania 29 they didn't even have that much - there were no women's matches anywhere on the card and since if memory serves Mania 29 had no backstage segments, that'd mean the only women who appeared at all were in Fandango's entrance and AJ managing Ziggler and Big E. |
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Post by stevec484 on Apr 1, 2019 10:13:43 GMT -5
Tickets were going for like $6 on the secondary market and it was real low on google searches. Just because it was a good show doesn't mean it was a success.
If they do another one I'd do it in a small arena like Hammerstein Ballroom or something.
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Post by Andy Martin on Apr 1, 2019 10:20:01 GMT -5
For f***'s sake Ronda isn't even a ratings draw, get off this bullshit. Evolution was well received for being a good show and doing more will only further that sentiment, taking a big step back because your ~REAL STAR~ is leaving is exactly the sort of piss that has people being so down on WWE. Once again, all bigotry accusations aside, WWE seems to think that if they don't have a former big-time UFC name to revolve their entire product around, that it's not worth promoting their shows at all... Whoever has the UFC fetish (probably Vince, with a little bit of Shane on the side), it's got to stop. I’d have gone with Trips having the UFC fetish, to be honest. |
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Post by brown bricks on Apr 1, 2019 13:22:39 GMT -5
Eh, they’ll do another if they need good PR after messing around with Saudia Arabia. That’s the only reason they did the first one.
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Post by segaz on Apr 2, 2019 4:33:44 GMT -5
Honestly I really don't at all buy the, "There's a women's Mania main event now, progress is done!" thing if only because... just look at the rest of the Mania card. They're at 14 matches right now and outside of the main event, which is clearly only the main event because after a year they're still chasing the myth of Ronda still being popular in the mainstream, they're just cramming every woman in the company into a pair of clusterf***s, one of which probably isn't even going to make the main card. Freaking WrestleMania 22 had more of substance going on for the women's division at large and that show had a Playboy pillow fight and Sharmell fighting the Boogeyman. Yeah but they're never going to make them as big a focus as the TNA knockouts or Shimmer. It's like two totally different divisions that can never meet, unlike the cruiserweight division. Saying that, other sports feature different divisions and classes side by side all the time so...maybe it is possible? When do you think progress will be fully complete? When the program, advertising and public opinion of storyline quality is split 50/50 between women and men? This isn't a dig, I'm just making sure that's the ideal we are all working towards |
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