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Post by octopus on Apr 2, 2019 16:15:34 GMT -5
I guess this has something to do with wrestling but anyway, Tony Khan's football team for which he is the Director for, Fulham, have been relegated from the Premier League after getting heavily beaten 4-1 by Watford tonight, he spent $131,000,000 on players, and raised ticket prices and as a result Fulham maybe operating at a big loss next season. and may struggle with financial fair play requirements unless they sell major assets and big salary cuts. Fans of the club want him to sell up and go as the club could be operating at a loss and accuse him of mismanagement.
Khan seems to come off as a money mark to me, like Dixie Carter/Bischoff with Ted's money. Search Tony Khan on twitter, they hate him.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 2, 2019 16:44:53 GMT -5
Eh... Fulham just had a disastrous season. The signings they made for the move to the premier league all flopped but before this year they had them moving in right direction
But I dont see this as effecting AEW
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Apr 2, 2019 17:05:44 GMT -5
Man, some people are gonna look for any reason to doomsay.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 2, 2019 17:22:27 GMT -5
Man, some people are gonna look for any reason to doomsay. Well the jaguars have also been poopy for the vast majority of the Khan’s regime. The family sucks at both types of football
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 17:29:44 GMT -5
Such a joy to be the team relegating another team for once.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 17:31:05 GMT -5
Not doomsday for AEW, BUT there was questionable splurging reportedly by Khan, buying players his manager didn't want/need (only reported mind, not seen that confirmed, but when a £30 million player barely makes a first team, red flags appear about owner interference in transfers). Hopefully the Codybucks have established some firm boundaries as far as acquisition and direction goes. Also the fans have been really badly treated since the Khan family took overy, gradually reaching a head. inews.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/fulham-ticket-prices-protest-stop-the-greed-manchester-city/amp/Again, this doesn't really impact on AEW or its potential for success. What it does do, at least for me, is frame things more realistically. Tony Khan is not going to create some sort of utopian company which some parts of wrestling fandom seem to have assumed, largely as backlash to WWE. I have a feeling they might actually be very similarly run companies, at least as far as treatment of fans goes.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 2, 2019 17:40:09 GMT -5
Well I always wanted to see what would happen if Dixie Carter ran a professional franchise
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 2, 2019 19:17:22 GMT -5
Not doomsday for AEW, BUT there was questionable splurging reportedly by Khan, buying players his manager didn't want/need (only reported mind, not seen that confirmed, but when a £30 million player barely makes a first team, red flags appear about owner interference in transfers). Hopefully the Codybucks have established some firm boundaries as far as acquisition and direction goes. That part worries me a bit. Obviously we know nothing, so I’m not gonna go doom and gloom. But I don’t like him interfering to that degree. Okay, I really don’t understand much about how the football league system works, but wouldn’t it be expected that a EPL ticket would be considerably more expensive then a Division 1 ticket? Closest comparison I’d have would be NHL/AHL. Winnipeg Jets and Manitoba Moose play the same building, half the Moose roster are Jets players, but because it’s AHL not NHL tickets start at $29 vs $95. Wouldn’t a EPL team who just got promoted and wants to make a serious go in the Big League kinda be expected to jump in price? Obviously, that big a jump at once is a bit much, but wouldn’t a considerable bump be expected? Or do I just have absolutely no clue about English sports economics? Completely irrelevant to AEW, I’m just genuinely curious. Like I said, I know very little about how the system works there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 19:39:56 GMT -5
we don't know how much the dad really likes wrestling and how much he's really willing to lose
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 19:55:07 GMT -5
Not doomsday for AEW, BUT there was questionable splurging reportedly by Khan, buying players his manager didn't want/need (only reported mind, not seen that confirmed, but when a £30 million player barely makes a first team, red flags appear about owner interference in transfers). Hopefully the Codybucks have established some firm boundaries as far as acquisition and direction goes. That part worries me a bit. Obviously we know nothing, so I’m not gonna go doom and gloom. But I don’t like him interfering to that degree. Okay, I really don’t understand much about how the football league system works, but wouldn’t it be expected that a EPL ticket would be considerably more expensive then a Division 1 ticket? Closest comparison I’d have would be NHL/AHL. Winnipeg Jets and Manitoba Moose play the same building, half the Moose roster are Jets players, but because it’s AHL not NHL tickets start at $29 vs $95. Wouldn’t a EPL team who just got promoted and wants to make a serious go in the Big League kinda be expected to jump in price? Obviously, that big a jump at once is a bit much, but wouldn’t a considerable bump be expected? Or do I just have absolutely no clue about English sports economics? Completely irrelevant to AEW, I’m just genuinely curious. Like I said, I know very little about how the system works there. A rise would probably be expected but not one that prices your core fanbase out of the market. Football clubs finance at that level is almost entirely independent from gate receipts. Promotion alone is worth about 180 million pounds and the TV rights money is increasing year on year. Income from merchandise sales is more of an income source, and that gear is hideously expensive too, so a rise is entirely arbitrary to club income and pricing a fanbase with an increasingly stretched budget out of the market. While an increase would be expected, if it's too much for your relatively small fanbase (London is replete with football clubs, and Fulham have bigger clubs surrounding them), then they stop attending, become replaced by people who won't visit often and have no strong links to the club (as mentioned in the article) and support dies off. Where UK and US/Canadian sports differ is the historical links to the local community. Most clubs were formed by local working men's clubs or factory employees in the 19th century. A football club is part of the culture and fabric of a much smaller area than over the pond, often with deep emotional ties, and many clubs try and do community outreach work. The Malaysian owners of Leicester City have really taken to this too, donating to local hospitals and really getting involved, hence the huge outpouring of grief when the main owner died in a helicopter crash at the ground last year. When a new owner comes in from abroad there is the assumption they might not fully understand the links, after all, why would they? It's a very unique thing in the UK I believe (or at least over Europe), but to, within a few years have made the huge jumps in prices with no investment in the stadium itself (the stadium is in real need of a revamp in places, again alluded to in the article), and a refusal to engage with the fans or share any forum with it, there is a sense for betrayal and the club being taken away from them. It becomes either a cynical business OR a rich man's plaything, or both, rather than the heart of the community. There's an argument to be made that because of that cultural history, the club owes something back to the areast. For years the fans were essential to keeping a club afloat, now they're not and the club's are just giving them the finger rather than remembering those roots. On top of that, Khan has made some obnoxious comments, including telling one fan to "go to hell" on social media when the fan made some emotional expressions about how the club was being run.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 2, 2019 20:03:53 GMT -5
That part worries me a bit. Obviously we know nothing, so I’m not gonna go doom and gloom. But I don’t like him interfering to that degree. Okay, I really don’t understand much about how the football league system works, but wouldn’t it be expected that a EPL ticket would be considerably more expensive then a Division 1 ticket? Closest comparison I’d have would be NHL/AHL. Winnipeg Jets and Manitoba Moose play the same building, half the Moose roster are Jets players, but because it’s AHL not NHL tickets start at $29 vs $95. Wouldn’t a EPL team who just got promoted and wants to make a serious go in the Big League kinda be expected to jump in price? Obviously, that big a jump at once is a bit much, but wouldn’t a considerable bump be expected? Or do I just have absolutely no clue about English sports economics? Completely irrelevant to AEW, I’m just genuinely curious. Like I said, I know very little about how the system works there. A rise would probably be expected but not one that prices your core fanbase out of the market. Football clubs finance at that level is almost entirely independent from gate receipts. Promotion alone is worth about 180 million pounds and the TV rights money is increasing year on year. Income from merchandise sales is more of an income source, and that gear is hideously expensive too, so a rise is entirely arbitrary to club income and pricing a fanbase with an increasingly stretched budget out of the market. While an increase would be expected, if it's too much for your relatively small fanbase (London is replete with football clubs, and Fulham have bigger clubs surrounding them), then they stop attending, become replaced by people who won't visit often and have no strong links to the club (as mentioned in the article) and support dies off. Where UK and US/Canadian sports differ is the historical links to the local community. Most clubs were formed by local working men's clubs or factory employees in the 19th century. A football club is part of the culture and fabric of a much smaller area than over the pond, often with deep emotional ties, and many clubs try and do community outreach work. The Malaysian owners of Leicester City have really taken to this too, donating to local hospitals and really getting involved, hence the huge outpouring of grief when the main owner died in a helicopter crash at the ground last year. When a new owner comes in from abroad there is the assumption they might not fully understand the links, after all, why would they? It's a very unique thing in the UK I believe (or at least over Europe), but to, within a few years have made the huge jumps in prices with no investment in the stadium itself (the stadium is in real need of a revamp in places, again alluded to in the article), and a refusal to engage with the fans or share any forum with it, there is a sense for betrayal and the club being taken away from them. It becomes either a cynical business OR a rich man's plaything, or both, rather than the heart of the community. There's an argument to be made that because of that cultural history, the club owes something back to the areast. For years the fans were essential to keeping a club afloat, now they're not and the club's are just giving them the finger rather than remembering those roots. On top of that, Khan has made some obnoxious comments, including telling one fan to "go to hell" on social media when the fan made some emotional expressions about how the club was being run. Well,’that was definitely detailed. Much appreciated!! I do tend to forget that football clubs and fandoms are deep rooted in tradition moreso then a lot of North American sports franchise. And with no risk of a club moving over there, you really can’t afford to piss off your fan base. Well, perennially Premiere League teams probably have a lot more leeway in the “pissing off fans” department being much more financially stable then lower Div teams
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 2, 2019 20:05:09 GMT -5
Does this mean Swansea is safe from relegation?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 20:06:21 GMT -5
Does this mean Swansea is safe from relegation? They're in the division below?
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 2, 2019 20:08:05 GMT -5
Does this mean Swansea is safe from relegation? They're in the division below? Ughh. You are correct. I meant Cardiff.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 20:13:46 GMT -5
A rise would probably be expected but not one that prices your core fanbase out of the market. Football clubs finance at that level is almost entirely independent from gate receipts. Promotion alone is worth about 180 million pounds and the TV rights money is increasing year on year. Income from merchandise sales is more of an income source, and that gear is hideously expensive too, so a rise is entirely arbitrary to club income and pricing a fanbase with an increasingly stretched budget out of the market. While an increase would be expected, if it's too much for your relatively small fanbase (London is replete with football clubs, and Fulham have bigger clubs surrounding them), then they stop attending, become replaced by people who won't visit often and have no strong links to the club (as mentioned in the article) and support dies off. Where UK and US/Canadian sports differ is the historical links to the local community. Most clubs were formed by local working men's clubs or factory employees in the 19th century. A football club is part of the culture and fabric of a much smaller area than over the pond, often with deep emotional ties, and many clubs try and do community outreach work. The Malaysian owners of Leicester City have really taken to this too, donating to local hospitals and really getting involved, hence the huge outpouring of grief when the main owner died in a helicopter crash at the ground last year. When a new owner comes in from abroad there is the assumption they might not fully understand the links, after all, why would they? It's a very unique thing in the UK I believe (or at least over Europe), but to, within a few years have made the huge jumps in prices with no investment in the stadium itself (the stadium is in real need of a revamp in places, again alluded to in the article), and a refusal to engage with the fans or share any forum with it, there is a sense for betrayal and the club being taken away from them. It becomes either a cynical business OR a rich man's plaything, or both, rather than the heart of the community. There's an argument to be made that because of that cultural history, the club owes something back to the areast. For years the fans were essential to keeping a club afloat, now they're not and the club's are just giving them the finger rather than remembering those roots. On top of that, Khan has made some obnoxious comments, including telling one fan to "go to hell" on social media when the fan made some emotional expressions about how the club was being run. Well,’that was definitely detailed. Much appreciated!! I do tend to forget that football clubs and fandoms are deep rooted in tradition moreso then a lot of North American sports franchise. And with no risk of a club moving over there, you really can’t afford to piss off your fan base. Well, perennially Premiere League teams probably have a lot more leeway in the “pissing off fans” department being much more financially stable then lower Div teams Ah yeah, I studied this in Uni for a bit so ot ind of pours out sometimes! Some clubs have the financial means that they could have empty stadiums and not have it hurt their bottom line. Fulham don't have that luxury. There's former EPL clubs in lower divisions seriously struggling to survive, getting thrown out of their own grounds now. Others have been kept afloat by fan collections and donations. Others have fan boycotts. To relate this all back to AEW... Hardcore wrestling fans (that is fans who are devoted rather than fans of hardcore wrestling) can get very emotionally involved too. I can see a significant portion of the AEW fanbase looking to the company to be the anti-WWE. Khan is essentially McMahon at least where that business side goes. I can't see him giving more of a damn there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 20:14:33 GMT -5
They're in the division below? Ughh. You are correct. I meant Cardiff. Still one relegation spot remaining, a few teams fighting it out to not be in it.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 2, 2019 20:17:19 GMT -5
Well,’that was definitely detailed. Much appreciated!! I do tend to forget that football clubs and fandoms are deep rooted in tradition moreso then a lot of North American sports franchise. And with no risk of a club moving over there, you really can’t afford to piss off your fan base. Well, perennially Premiere League teams probably have a lot more leeway in the “pissing off fans” department being much more financially stable then lower Div teams Ah yeah, I studied this in Uni for a bit so ot ind of pours out sometimes! Some clubs have the financial means that they could have empty stadiums and not have it hurt their bottom line. Fulham don't have that luxury. There's former EPL clubs in lower divisions seriously struggling to survive, getting thrown out of their own grounds now. Others have been kept afloat by fan collections and donations. Others have fan boycotts. To relate this all back to AEW... Hardcore wrestling fans (that is fans who are devoted rather than fans of hardcore wrestling) can get very emotionally involved too. I can see a significant portion of the AEW fanbase looking to the company to be the anti-WWE. Khan is essentially McMahon at least where that business side goes. I can't see him giving more of a damn there. Yeah, that worries me as well. I do think he’ll be better for the wrestlers, but yeah, if he takes that attitude with AEW supporters it could go quite poorly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 20:19:08 GMT -5
Ah yeah, I studied this in Uni for a bit so ot ind of pours out sometimes! Some clubs have the financial means that they could have empty stadiums and not have it hurt their bottom line. Fulham don't have that luxury. There's former EPL clubs in lower divisions seriously struggling to survive, getting thrown out of their own grounds now. Others have been kept afloat by fan collections and donations. Others have fan boycotts. To relate this all back to AEW... Hardcore wrestling fans (that is fans who are devoted rather than fans of hardcore wrestling) can get very emotionally involved too. I can see a significant portion of the AEW fanbase looking to the company to be the anti-WWE. Khan is essentially McMahon at least where that business side goes. I can't see him giving more of a damn there. Yeah, that worries me as well. I do think he’ll be better for the wrestlers, but yeah, if he takes that attitude with AEW supporters it could go quite poorly. 3 words to put fear in the heart of any fan. Heel. Authority. Figure.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 2, 2019 20:23:54 GMT -5
Yeah, that worries me as well. I do think he’ll be better for the wrestlers, but yeah, if he takes that attitude with AEW supporters it could go quite poorly. 3 words to put fear in the heart of any fan. Heel. Authority. Figure. .........f***. Legit the 1 thing that I feel could seriously hurt my excitement for the product is heel authority
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Post by Glitch on Apr 2, 2019 20:50:15 GMT -5
This seems to boil down to " the team isn't beating other teams" . Which is a whole different thing to a scripted sport.
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