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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 3, 2019 0:20:12 GMT -5
Kofi really should win, he's red hot right now.
Do I want him to? Hell no. Bryan is golden and New Day are pretty much instant channel-changers for me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 0:23:05 GMT -5
At WM32 only 5 heels won out of 12 matches. At WM33 only 3 heels won out of 13 matches. At WM34 only 3 heels won out of 14 matches. At WM35 there's at least 15 matches announced so far. I'm pretty sure we can at least get 3-5 of those wins belonging to heels and still have Kofi, Seth and Becky winning their matches. There's enough matches. Looking at the title match results for those 3 titles specifically at those Manias...and I am only counting both womens title as both titles are on the line at Mania At WM32 - A heel won the womens title , a face won the WWE title At WM33 --Faces won the womens titles , a face won the WWE title , and the heel retained the universal title At WM34 -- the womens titles were won by a heel and face , a face retained the WWE title , a heel retained the universal title So if we were to take those results into account and apply to Mania on sunday....Kofi is winning , Seth is losing and the result of the womens title could go either way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 0:28:06 GMT -5
At WM32 only 5 heels won out of 12 matches. At WM33 only 3 heels won out of 13 matches. At WM34 only 3 heels won out of 14 matches. At WM35 there's at least 15 matches announced so far. I'm pretty sure we can at least get 3-5 of those wins belonging to heels and still have Kofi, Seth and Becky winning their matches. There's enough matches. Looking at the title match results for those 3 titles specifically at those Manias...and I am only counting both womens title as both titles are on the line at Mania At WM32 - A heel won the womens title , a face won the WWE title At WM33 --Faces won the womens titles , a face won the WWE title , and the heel retained the universal title At WM34 -- the womens titles were won by a heel and face , a face retained the WWE title , a heel retained the universal title So if we were to take those results into account and apply to Mania on sunday....Kofi is winning , Seth is losing and the result of the womens title could go either way. Those aren't actually entirely accurate - Lesnar won the title at Mania 33 rather than retaining it, and at 34 both Charlotte and Nia were face.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 0:33:54 GMT -5
Looking at the title match results for those 3 titles specifically at those Manias...and I am only counting both womens title as both titles are on the line at Mania At WM32 - A heel won the womens title , a face won the WWE title At WM33 --Faces won the womens titles , a face won the WWE title , and the heel retained the universal title At WM34 -- the womens titles were won by a heel and face , a face retained the WWE title , a heel retained the universal title So if we were to take those results into account and apply to Mania on sunday....Kofi is winning , Seth is losing and the result of the womens title could go either way. Those aren't actually entirely accurate - Lesnar won the title at Mania 33 rather than retaining it, and at 34 both Charlotte and Nia were face. Oh yea...Nia flipped flopped so much around that time I forget she was ever a face and also it was so short lived so it may as well have never happened. And the Brock part ..Brock has had that title for so long I forget there was ever a point he actually did lose it. so my bad on those
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Post by bearned on Apr 3, 2019 1:11:44 GMT -5
The way they have booked this says to me that Kofi is going to win. Can’t see how they could justify him not.
What I can see is him losing on the following Smackdown, probably down to shenanigans with a third person joining Bryan’s eco warrior stable. Sets up a New Day v Bryan eco squad feud which could be a real banger run of tag matches.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Apr 3, 2019 1:26:01 GMT -5
Bryan would probably fight beating him if they went in that direction for some asinine reason. Kofi winning and Becky winning would give some credence to the McMahons coming out and apologizing for not giving the fans what they want last year.
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Post by 4real on Apr 3, 2019 1:41:00 GMT -5
For real, it says everything about how utterly joyless WWE is that pretty much everyone's going, "Now hold on, they can't make people TOO happy." That’s assuming that everyone wants Rollins, Kofi & Lynch to win though. Which I don’t think is true. The majority will be pissed I’d imagine yes but Rollins or Kofi losing isn’t going to make me lose sleep. Neither are top main event talent imo.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 3, 2019 1:59:21 GMT -5
Yeah, the way WWE has told this story....the only right conclusion is Kofi winning. Otherwise, you get a repeat of HHH-Booker from Mania 19 and with stuff like implied racism being rightfully more scrutinized than it was back then, this one will be a bit harder to sweep under the rug.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Apr 3, 2019 2:10:22 GMT -5
Bryan would probably fight beating him if they went in that direction for some asinine reason. Kofi winning and Becky winning would give some credence to the McMahons coming out and apologizing for not giving the fans what they want last year. Or the year before that... Or the year before that... Or the year before that... Or the year before that... Or that one year they caved but then made us pay for it after.. Or the year before that... Or the year before that... Or the year before that... Or the year before that... Or the year before that... Or the year before that...
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Apr 3, 2019 2:21:50 GMT -5
Honestly with all the implied racism being added to this angle, WWE really need to let Kofi win.
Bonus points if Booker T is on commentary.
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 3, 2019 2:54:15 GMT -5
I would imagine that Bryan is one of the head cheerleaders for having Kofi go over. He understands this business, he knows that the smart thing to do is give the red hot guy the win, and he knows that Kofi really deserves this opportunity. And I'm sure he knows that a programme with him and New Day could be really good, given the character contrasts between them.
This match is one where I really don't doubt the outcome.
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Post by Germansuplex on Apr 3, 2019 3:03:56 GMT -5
I would imagine that Bryan is one of the head cheerleaders for having Kofi go over. He understands this business, he knows that the smart thing to do is give the red hot guy the win, and he knows that Kofi really deserves this opportunity. And I'm sure he knows that a programme with him and New Day could be really good, given the character contrasts between them. This match is one where I really don't doubt the outcome. It's what I'm hoping, too. Everything we know about D-Bry points at him being happy to do the job for Kofi.
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Post by Spider2024 on Apr 3, 2019 4:21:59 GMT -5
At WM32 only 5 heels won out of 12 matches. At WM33 only 3 heels won out of 13 matches. At WM34 only 3 heels won out of 14 matches. At WM35 there's at least 15 matches announced so far. I'm pretty sure we can at least get 3-5 of those wins belonging to heels and still have Kofi, Seth and Becky winning their matches. There's enough matches. The WM32 one is kind of an amazing stat: Not even 50% of the heels won, in a WM undercard that was supposedly meant to be intentionally disappointing so that the main event would actually be cheered in comparison because the face technically won it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 4:26:12 GMT -5
My only fear is that they don't seem to wanna be to predictable at WrestleMania the last few years and always seem to throw a surprise result in there and make people think WTF.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 4:28:55 GMT -5
My only fear is that they don't seem to wanna be to predictable at WrestleMania the last few years and always seem to throw a surprise result in there and make people think WTF. Maybe I'm putting way too much faith in WWE with this Kofi thing, but I'm guessing if there's a WTF? result it'll be Ronda retaining since everyone expects her to leave.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 4:35:54 GMT -5
At WM32 only 5 heels won out of 12 matches. At WM33 only 3 heels won out of 13 matches. At WM34 only 3 heels won out of 14 matches. At WM35 there's at least 15 matches announced so far. I'm pretty sure we can at least get 3-5 of those wins belonging to heels and still have Kofi, Seth and Becky winning their matches. There's enough matches. The WM32 one is kind of an amazing stat: Not even 50% of the heels won, in a WM undercard that was supposedly meant to be intentionally disappointing so that the main event would actually be cheered in comparison because the face technically won it. The thing about that is, that number implodes if you look at it in context - three of the twelve were on the preshow, none of those among the heel wins. Additionally Shane vs. Taker was face vs. face (although Taker was the one working heel so really it can be called 6 if you want; will pass on that for my point though). Removing those four from the equation and it becomes 5 out of 8... with one of the remaining 3 being Rock beating Rowan in an unannounced match in six seconds.
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Post by clifford on Apr 3, 2019 5:14:47 GMT -5
WWE should be looking to do a clean break/restart the world title picture, and have Kofi, Seth and Becky all win their matches.
And for some reason of the 3, Kofi is the one I have my biggest doubts about, cause the WWE is f***ing stupid and will think that him being in the match is enough to the fans and that him losing at Wrestlemania after all this build up is the best way to go, and then have him win the title at a later date. That is their MO.
Honestly i can see Kofi winning in controversial fashion, Vince coming out to restart the match, and Bryan winning. Yes they are that f***ing dumb.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 5:51:01 GMT -5
He’s 99.9% going over and the only reason for that 0.1% is the reminder of Reigns losing last year just to shock the crowd although it’s unlikely they’d do it two years in a row which bodes well for Rollins and Becky too.
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Post by Spider2024 on Apr 3, 2019 6:05:07 GMT -5
Objectively thinking, this is all a part of WWE's work, one of their classic ultimate buildups to provide just enough uncertainty to an otherwise totally predictable outcome. It worked on us with Bryan at WM30, and he turned out to win it all in the end. None of the negative buildup mattered anymore once he won. That same thing will happen with Kofi once he wins at WM35.
...as long as Kofi actually DOES win at WM35.
So put it on wax and set it in stone: Kofi walks out of WrestleMania 35 as WWE Champion, or I'm done with WWE & maybe pro wrestling overall.
(And if he does, well then ya got me Eddie, I'll go out and buy 4 more WWE Network gift cards the next day for the upcoming year. Promise.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 6:32:34 GMT -5
Yeah I'm going to go ahead and say Kofi losing would lose them even MORE viewers, that's how disastrous it'd be. They really can't afford to do that. Becky losing would do serious damage to her, but I don't see it as the sky is falling scenario it was a couple months ago anymore.
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