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Post by realist on Apr 4, 2019 13:49:38 GMT -5
This man bought ringside seats to Mayweather vs. McGregor for ten grand and posted the receipt to make sure everyone knew. Seems a little disingenuous to complain about money now. That was a jackass thing for him to do. But, he did it with his own money that he earned. No one can tell someone how to spend his hard earned money.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 4, 2019 14:26:19 GMT -5
Say what you want about Enzo but I believe the reason why people have negative thoughts on him is his approach to wrestling. We're in a period where literally every wrestler looks, acts, and talks exactly the same. Despite not being an individual with incredible height and chiseled physique, Enzo carried himself like a professional wrestler, he stood out from the rest of the pack, and was entertaining to say the least.
He had the crazy colorful costumes, the loud boisterous gritty voice, and he knew how to pop a crowd and receive heat on top of it. Outside of the ring he still maintained that gimmick in an era where all of the wrestlers are out of character. So many people on here have complained about wrestling is too stale, too formulaic, and here we had someone who at least put forth an effort to maintain an established character. Regardless of his issues outside of the ring he was massively entertaining and had a unique charisma.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 4, 2019 14:47:50 GMT -5
I will say this is the kind of Enzo we should see more of. A sober looking normal sounding dude. Him trying to do that rap shit and half the time looking like a coked up trainwreck isn't really going to end up well for him. I just hope for the best of the dude in life, even if he is an asshole.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 4, 2019 15:48:41 GMT -5
Say what you want about Enzo but I believe the reason why people have negative thoughts on him is his approach to wrestling. Not even. People loved the Enzo character and he got openly praised for carrying around the CW title everywhere he went and being like a "wrestler" as opposed to a guy playing a wrestler
Enzo is smart to the business but shitty everywhere else
His negativity comes from his own asshole nature and outside the ring antics that were caused by him and him alone
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Post by Fauxnaki on Apr 5, 2019 7:01:57 GMT -5
Love Enzo think he's a real smart guy and didn't deserve to be fired seeing as he was innocent
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 5, 2019 7:18:32 GMT -5
Love Enzo think he's a real smart guy and didn't deserve to be fired seeing as he was innocent Naaaah. He lied right to the boss's face about being investigated. If he'd have told Vince about it and waited it out until the charges were dropped (like Lawler and Otunga), he'd still have a job. He deserved to be fired just for lying to Vince.
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Post by Fauxnaki on Apr 5, 2019 7:37:58 GMT -5
Love Enzo think he's a real smart guy and didn't deserve to be fired seeing as he was innocent Naaaah. He lied right to the boss's face about being investigated. If he'd have told Vince about it and waited it out until the charges were dropped (like Lawler and Otunga), he'd still have a job. He deserved to be fired just for lying to Vince. When did he lie to his face? All I heard is he got a phone call one day that someone maybe getting investigated and he kept it to himself because he was in the middle of a big push and didn't wanna stop that. He hadn't been on the main roster for very long and was probably worried about his income
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 7:46:03 GMT -5
Say what you want about Enzo but I believe the reason why people have negative thoughts on him is his approach to wrestling. We're in a period where literally every wrestler looks, acts, and talks exactly the same. Despite not being an individual with incredible height and chiseled physique, Enzo carried himself like a professional wrestler, he stood out from the rest of the pack, and was entertaining to say the least. He had the crazy colorful costumes, the loud boisterous gritty voice, and he knew how to pop a crowd and receive heat on top of it. Outside of the ring he still maintained that gimmick in an era where all of the wrestlers are out of character. So many people on here have complained about wrestling is too stale, too formulaic, and here we had someone who at least put forth an effort to maintain an established character. Regardless of his issues outside of the ring he was massively entertaining and had a unique charisma. This. Take the real life stuff out and it’s clear to see that he completely “gets it”. People like him are exactly what wrestling is missing. Yes he wasn’t the best wrestler but he could get by. He made you want to see his matches because he was so good at hyping himself up and selling himself. He is a star. I wonder how many of those colorful characters in the 80s and 90s would suffer in the “Social Media era” if they were monitored day in, day out and constantly judged for what they do and say in their private lives. Chances are, you wouldn’t be a fan of many of them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 7:48:29 GMT -5
Naaaah. He lied right to the boss's face about being investigated. If he'd have told Vince about it and waited it out until the charges were dropped (like Lawler and Otunga), he'd still have a job. He deserved to be fired just for lying to Vince. When did he lie to his face? All I heard is he got a phone call one day that someone maybe getting investigated and he kept it to himself because he was in the middle of a big push and didn't wanna stop that. He hadn't been on the main roster for very long and was probably worried about his income No question, it was a mistake not telling them. But it’s hardly worthy of being blacklisted in my book He can make them a lot of money and I hope to see Enzo and Cass back in the company. Strictly as a tag team.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 5, 2019 7:51:29 GMT -5
Say what you want about Enzo but I believe the reason why people have negative thoughts on him is his approach to wrestling. We're in a period where literally every wrestler looks, acts, and talks exactly the same. Despite not being an individual with incredible height and chiseled physique, Enzo carried himself like a professional wrestler, he stood out from the rest of the pack, and was entertaining to say the least. He had the crazy colorful costumes, the loud boisterous gritty voice, and he knew how to pop a crowd and receive heat on top of it. Outside of the ring he still maintained that gimmick in an era where all of the wrestlers are out of character. So many people on here have complained about wrestling is too stale, too formulaic, and here we had someone who at least put forth an effort to maintain an established character. Regardless of his issues outside of the ring he was massively entertaining and had a unique charisma. This. Take the real life stuff out and it’s clear to see that he completely “gets it”. People like him are exactly what wrestling is missing. Yes he wasn’t the best wrestler but he could get by. He made you want to see his matches because he was so good at hyping himself up and selling himself. He is a star. I wonder how many of those colorful characters in the 80s and 90s would suffer in the “Social Media era” if they were monitored day in, day out and constantly judged for what they do and say in their private lives. Chances are, you wouldn’t be a fan of many of them. If most of them weren't dead from all the drugs, then yes, they'd be getting exposed and scalp-hunted. Anything else would be allowing excuses for them being Shit People.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Apr 5, 2019 8:11:52 GMT -5
I haven’t heard of Feinstein doing a shoot interview in years. Guess Enzo is the only one that would talk to him. Maybe Feinstein will interview James Ellsworth next.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 5, 2019 8:19:52 GMT -5
No question, it was a mistake not telling them. But it’s hardly worthy of being blacklisted in my book Honestly, yeah, it absolutely is in my eyes. Think about it this way, he was put at the forefront of a brand that needed the help, given the title, featured on Raw and was making money hand over fist. There’s a trust that the job can be done well by that said person or at least enough to gain interest. Like, the locker room neusance stuff they can keep to the side because there’s money to be made and it won’t affect the TV. And he keeps a criminal investigation from them. And not just any investigation, an investigation for sexual assault. This not only puts WWE in a PR bind to try and justify why he’s on the roster but also why they pushed him the way they did knowing that this guy was being wanted by police. If he just told them, they would have suspended him, told him to lay low, let the investigation play out the way it did and then bring him back after a few weeks when the heat died down. The money was there, the storylines were there, he would have been fine. The fact he didn’t and kept it to himself for that long, he lost the company's trust. And yes, the charges were inconclusive. But the damage was done, the company couldn’t trust Enzo again with anything of note. The closest something came to it was Ken Kennedy who lied on national TV about taking steroids after telling Vince to his face he never took steroids during a hellscape scandal like Benoit was at the time. Why would you trust the guy with anything after that?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 5, 2019 11:10:29 GMT -5
Say what you want about Enzo but I believe the reason why people have negative thoughts on him is his approach to wrestling. Not even. People loved the Enzo character and he got openly praised for carrying around the CW title everywhere he went and being like a "wrestler" as opposed to a guy playing a wrestler Enzo is smart to the business but shitty everywhere else
His negativity comes from his own asshole nature and outside the ring antics that were caused by him and him alone
This is true. To this day I lament that he turned out to be an asshole, because the cruiserweight gimmick was AMAZING.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 5, 2019 13:29:41 GMT -5
Say what you want about Enzo but I believe the reason why people have negative thoughts on him is his approach to wrestling. We're in a period where literally every wrestler looks, acts, and talks exactly the same. Despite not being an individual with incredible height and chiseled physique, Enzo carried himself like a professional wrestler, he stood out from the rest of the pack, and was entertaining to say the least. He had the crazy colorful costumes, the loud boisterous gritty voice, and he knew how to pop a crowd and receive heat on top of it. Outside of the ring he still maintained that gimmick in an era where all of the wrestlers are out of character. So many people on here have complained about wrestling is too stale, too formulaic, and here we had someone who at least put forth an effort to maintain an established character. Regardless of his issues outside of the ring he was massively entertaining and had a unique charisma. This. Take the real life stuff out and it’s clear to see that he completely “gets it”. People like him are exactly what wrestling is missing. Yes he wasn’t the best wrestler but he could get by. He made you want to see his matches because he was so good at hyping himself up and selling himself. He is a star. I wonder how many of those colorful characters in the 80s and 90s would suffer in the “Social Media era” if they were monitored day in, day out and constantly judged for what they do and say in their private lives. Chances are, you wouldn’t be a fan of many of them. Exactly. I miss the era where wrestlers had a unique character, colorful loud costumes, and looked/acted like professional wrestlers. They're supposed to be larger than life and stand out. Don't get me wrong I enjoy Seth Rollins, Miz, AJ, Orton, Mustafa Ali, and many others. But there's nothing separating them in terms of visual appeal. Everyone wears plain looking trunks or spandex. I loved when Rollins wears his white, red, or gold pants that offers something unique compared to the same ol black pants and t-shirts that he wears. I miss the days when you had the likes of Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Mr. Perfect, DiBiase, Demolition, The Rockers, Rude, etc who had over the top costumes that more or less represented their particular alignment of allegiances. You could tell who were the heroes and the villains of the storyline program. These days? I can't tell who is who and why I should be cheering for them. That's why I love Ambrose, Jeff and Matt Hardy, Usos, Becky, Charlotte, Asuka, and even Rousey. They actually get what it means to be a wrestler and carry themselves as such. They're over the top, loud, and their personalities are amplified to where you believe in what they're saying and doing. Enzo was THAT GUY. He just got it and people soured on him because he took his character seriously and maintained kayfabe. I honestly don't care what he did in his personal life as its his business. We had a man who carried himself like professional wrestler, wore the loud colorful and ridiculous costumes, generated face and heel heat, and had a charisma about him that we hadn't seen for quite sometime. The only one who is tied with him in the charisma department is Jeff Hardy and Daniel Bryan, maybe even Shinsuke(who they have ruined the mystique of).
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 5, 2019 14:08:01 GMT -5
Another thing that Enzo said that actually had me understanding why Vince loves Cena and Roman so much. As teenagers we loved watching the more athletic agile wrestlers do somersaults, high spots, and complicated power moves that popped the crowd from beginning to end. When Enzo talked about how all of those stunts are fine and good, but know what else pops a crowd? Cena's "You Can't See Me" taunt, Roman's cocking the fist, Hogan's cupping of the ear and the leg drop, Rock removing the elbow pad and dropping "The Peoples Elbow".
While I haven't watched the product for quite sometime due to it being stale and rehashed. I can understand the mindset of how doing the flips, somersaults, and high spots are exciting for the crowd. None of that matters without a proper story that sells the match and the moment. Unfortunately in the WWE's case both aspects of it are suffering since there's no creativity in its product anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 21:11:42 GMT -5
Another thing that Enzo said that actually had me understanding why Vince loves Cena and Roman so much. As teenagers we loved watching the more athletic agile wrestlers do somersaults, high spots, and complicated power moves that popped the crowd from beginning to end. When Enzo talked about how all of those stunts are fine and good, but know what else pops a crowd? Cena's "You Can't See Me" taunt, Roman's cocking the fist, Hogan's cupping of the ear and the leg drop, Rock removing the elbow pad and dropping "The Peoples Elbow". While I haven't watched the product for quite sometime due to it being stale and rehashed. I can understand the mindset of how doing the flips, somersaults, and high spots are exciting for the crowd. None of that matters without a proper story that sells the match and the moment. Unfortunately in the WWE's case both aspects of it are suffering since there's no creativity in its product anymore. The showmanship is gone. That’s the problem. Like everyone else, I can enjoy a Johnny Gargano match. I can enjoy a Sami Zayn match. But what separates them as character? What makes them DIFFERENT? I’m not seeing anything that separates these two wrestlers. Just like I can’t see anything that separates The Revival and Gallows and Anderson. Both of them are playing the same role. And the only difference is their movesets. That’s not good enough for me. If I’m booking the show, I wouldn’t have Sami Zayn. I’d be cashing in on “El Generico”... same goes for Gallows and Anderson. These guys would be credible and part of a big stable in the company. I would have Gallows wearing his NJPW face paint for starters. I’d play up the “Machine Gun” Karl Anderson thing. They don’t do any of that. We’re supposed to just enjoy watching all of these generic guys wrestle and that’s it... watch shows from the 90s and tell me it wasn’t so much better when everybody had an identity and character besides “I’m a good wrestler”
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 5, 2019 21:17:40 GMT -5
In this thread we tell people what they think and project weird unrelated details onto other people, I guess.
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Post by Woo on Apr 5, 2019 23:31:38 GMT -5
I haven’t heard of Feinstein doing a shoot interview in years. Guess Enzo is the only one that would talk to him. Maybe Feinstein will interview James Ellsworth next. What has Ellsworth done?
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 5, 2019 23:40:50 GMT -5
In this thread we tell people what they think and project weird unrelated details onto other people, I guess. It's not really unrelated seeing as people in the thread began ragging on Enzo. Everything Enzo said is related to the conversation in terms of selling the character and how it reflects on todays product.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 23:41:31 GMT -5
I haven’t heard of Feinstein doing a shoot interview in years. Guess Enzo is the only one that would talk to him. Maybe Feinstein will interview James Ellsworth next. What has Ellsworth done? Sending uhhh intimate pictures to minors.
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