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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 4, 2019 14:58:43 GMT -5
Impact has always been that parasite it attempts to feed off of other ideas...and never develop its own identity. Yea, and when they did they let it go to get someone else idea
The 6 sided ring wasn't ideal as far as structure goes but it was their thing. The X division as well was their spin on CW's but also just making it a free for all with other guys to create interesting dynamics but that died too
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Post by Paul on Apr 4, 2019 15:42:17 GMT -5
I just remember thinking it was so sad that they were rehashing something from 20 years ago that was so tired and stale and old instead of making their own identity as their own unique product.
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 4, 2019 16:03:30 GMT -5
Impact has always been that parasite it attempts to feed off of other ideas...and never develop its own identity. Yea, and when they did they let it go to get someone else idea
The 6 sided ring wasn't ideal as far as structure goes but it was their thing. The X division as well was their spin on CW's but also just making it a free for all with other guys to create interesting dynamics but that died too
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 4, 2019 16:11:59 GMT -5
Yea, and when they did they let it go to get someone else idea
The 6 sided ring wasn't ideal as far as structure goes but it was their thing. The X division as well was their spin on CW's but also just making it a free for all with other guys to create interesting dynamics but that died too
Did TNA or AAA use the 6-sided ring first? AAA used it years before TNA if i'm not mistaken |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 5, 2019 0:01:18 GMT -5
Because they really had the desire to show someone needed a fake Blue Meanie. And a Fake Lupus! Everyone's favorite ECW Original Lupus! Did TNA or AAA use the 6-sided ring first? AAA used it years before TNA if i'm not mistaken Yeah AAA. But AAA didn't use it for all of their matches. |
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Post by 67 more on Apr 5, 2019 5:54:31 GMT -5
Because they really had the desire to show someone needed a fake Blue Meanie. And a Fake Lupus! Everyone's favorite ECW Original Lupus! AAA used it years before TNA if i'm not mistaken Yeah AAA. But AAA didn't use it for all of their matches. And Fake Lupus was played by Sam Shaw. WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN MY ROOM?! |
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Post by The Barber on Apr 5, 2019 8:45:05 GMT -5
I just remember thinking it was so sad that they were rehashing something from 20 years ago that was so tired and stale and old instead of making their own identity as their own unique product. You talking about TNA or WWE? |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 5, 2019 11:47:10 GMT -5
The story is allegedly that TNA did some sort of focus group study where a lot of the participants named ECW as their favorite time in wrestling, so TNA decided to incorporate as much ECW as they could in their programming, hence the EV2.0 Invasion angle and the Hardcore Justice PPV special. The problem was that the focus group was done in Philadelphia. Because that wouldn't cause any sort of statistical bias or anything. This can't possibly be true, surely. Even for TNA. This can't possibly be the case. I am dying. |
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Post by timelimitdraw on Apr 5, 2019 17:46:51 GMT -5
Jim Cornette has said "If you steal from one person, it's plagiarism. If you steal from many people, it's research." TNA wasn't merely influenced by what worked elsewhere, but they tried to replicate it a bit too closely. ECW was only one example. (Their failed discussions with Paul Heyman about taking over as Booker in 2010 probably also led to them romanticizing ECW so much.)
If Ric Flair had been a carbon copy of Buddy Rogers, he wouldn't have achieved as much success and earned as much money in his career. Instead, he was influenced by Rogers, Ray Stevens, Superstar Billy Graham, and Dusty Rhodes - trying on elements of each as he found his own character. With few exceptions, whenever they had a choice, TNA's tendency was to imitate instead of innovate.
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Post by Paul on Apr 6, 2019 1:02:03 GMT -5
I just remember thinking it was so sad that they were rehashing something from 20 years ago that was so tired and stale and old instead of making their own identity as their own unique product. You talking about TNA or WWE? Both, really. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 6, 2019 2:43:59 GMT -5
Impact has always been that parasite it attempts to feed off of other ideas...and never develop its own identity. Yea, and when they did they let it go to get someone else idea The 6 sided ring wasn't ideal as far as structure goes but it was their thing. The X division as well was their spin on CW's but also just making it a free for all with other guys to create interesting dynamics but that died too
The ring thing, I got, at least, since many wrestlers complained that bumping near the corners was dangerous due to the lack of give, and that it was difficult for ones who had basically only experience with 4-sided rings to do certain spots comofrtably, but still, losing that did hurt the identity a little. Squandering the Knockouts is probably their biggest sin in terms of casting off their identity, though you could also point to them marginalizing Monty Brown in favor of newcomers, failure to commit to Daniels or AJ consistently as a top star, and pissing away the best years of Abyss's body and credibility as worthy contenders. |
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Post by héad.casé on Apr 6, 2019 2:50:18 GMT -5
I loved ECW as a teenager, I was legit crushed when I heard it closed up. The first One Night Stand is one of my favourite all time PPV's. It was so authentically ECW that I felt like I was transported back to the late 90's. When TNA did the ECW Revival, I was just done. I didn't care. It had been milked dry by WWE already and TNA's version was just lame - especially when they had none of the ECW trademarks so had to resort to calling it "EV 2.0" and "Hardcore Justice" and having to call Balls Mahoney "Kahoneys".
One Night Stand 2005 was the perfect send off.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 6, 2019 3:00:20 GMT -5
Yea, and when they did they let it go to get someone else idea The 6 sided ring wasn't ideal as far as structure goes but it was their thing. The X division as well was their spin on CW's but also just making it a free for all with other guys to create interesting dynamics but that died too
The ring thing, I got, at least, since many wrestlers complained that bumping near the corners was dangerous due to the lack of give, and that it was difficult for ones who had basically only experience with 4-sided rings to do certain spots comofrtably, but still, losing that did hurt the identity a little. Squandering the Knockouts is probably their biggest sin in terms of casting off their identity, though you could also point to them marginalizing Monty Brown in favor of newcomers, failure to commit to Daniels or AJ consistently as a top star, and pissing away the best years of Abyss's body and credibility as worthy contenders. For the benefit of the wrestlers body you had to switch to the 4 sided ring. I believe AJ spoke on how he stopped doing spring board moves and dives in the ring because the ring was so stiff. They liked it and and opposed to it at first but once they got in the 4 sided ring it was a whole world of difference |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 6, 2019 8:39:36 GMT -5
Because wrestling and it's fans did and still do to an extent, and a large number of ECW originals have passed through the promotions doors back in the day. I'm not a fan myself, I feel it did more damage to wrestling over the long term than it ever did good, but I understand why TNA would romanticise it.
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Post by finallydeleted on Apr 7, 2019 20:17:48 GMT -5
Because it was more marketable than TNA's "original" gimmicks.
Too bad it was like 10 years too stale even by the time TNA did it.
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