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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 6, 2019 7:16:03 GMT -5
Just something I was thinking about. We all know WWE seems to enjoy spiting its fans and denying us what we want but were they ever right to do this, considering Vince has to consider his business as a whole? One example might be not letting Punk ascend to Cena levels. I as a fan wish Punk had but perhaps Cena was a better ambassador for the company?
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Post by Citizen Snips on Apr 6, 2019 7:21:35 GMT -5
Damien Sandow's TNA run is probably Exhibit A.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Apr 6, 2019 7:23:19 GMT -5
Sure. They can do whatever they want with their business. It’s their property. However they wouldn’t have a right to complain about losing support from their fans when they choose to ignore them. They can’t expect to keep the interest of their fans if they’re going to continually disappoint them. People can only take so much. Fans shouldn’t get every little thing they want but it shouldn’t be that difficult to keep them entertained and reasonably happy. Listening to your fan base should help make that possible.
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Post by Main Event Mark on Apr 6, 2019 7:24:32 GMT -5
We don't deal with these people daily. They do. Someone might be a great performer, but the company knows who's worth getting behind.
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Post by theironyuppie on Apr 6, 2019 7:29:04 GMT -5
Simple one for me. Fans wanted Becky to win at Summerslam but WWE wisely realised a transitional Charlotte reign would do more for Becky than just Carmella losing clean. (Similar logic worked with smarks getting infuriated by Alexa Bliss’s last title win when it was clearly meant to help set up Ronda’s reign.)
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 6, 2019 7:29:13 GMT -5
Damien Sandow's TNA run is probably Exhibit A. The case could be made that Sandow is a perfectly good performer in the WWE environment though, where everything is structured and scripted. Without the freedom to perform his own bad ideas, the problems he had in TNA wouldn't have occurred so shouldn't be seen as vindication for the WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 9:35:24 GMT -5
Simple one for me. Fans wanted Becky to win at Summerslam but WWE wisely realised a transitional Charlotte reign would do more for Becky than just Carmella losing clean. (Similar logic worked with smarks getting infuriated by Alexa Bliss’s last title win when it was clearly meant to help set up Ronda’s reign.) While I agree that it has worked out in the end, it's really because they listened to the fans. If they had their way, Charlotte would be the face and Becky the heel right now still.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 6, 2019 10:10:42 GMT -5
Lots of times. Ryback, Ryder, Sandow, off the top of my head are wrestlers fans wanted pushed to the moon who shouldn’t have been. It happens all the time. I’ll quote something I posted in the Aaron Rex thread.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Apr 6, 2019 10:31:30 GMT -5
Ryback and Sandow.
That's about it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 6, 2019 10:34:06 GMT -5
Generally no. If the best example cited is Sandow, that speaks volumes,
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Apr 6, 2019 10:36:01 GMT -5
Crowds wanted The Rock to die.
Thankfully Vince didn’t listen.
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Post by Spider2024 on Apr 6, 2019 10:47:24 GMT -5
Lots of times. Ryback, Ryder, Sandow, off the top of my head are wrestlers fans wanted pushed to the moon who shouldn’t have been. It happens all the time. I’ll quote something I posted in the Aaron Rex thread. It's like running a sports franchise. They can't react to every outcry from their fans to fire a coach or bench one of their starting players. As the saying goes for a city with a notable football team, "the most popular guy in town is the backup quarterback". But certainly not all football teams would be better off if they were to switch QBs. Just some of them. Sure. They can do whatever they want with their business. It’s their property. However they wouldn’t have a right to complain about losing support from their fans when they choose to ignore them. They can’t expect to keep the interest of their fans if they’re going to continually disappoint them. People can only take so much. Fans shouldn’t get every little thing they want but it shouldn’t be that difficult to keep them entertained and reasonably happy. Listening to your fan base should help make that possible. On the flip side, any time a story line alludes to or heavily implies a 'good ending' only to give us a bad ending, that counts as a 'broken promise', whether WWE counts it as that or not. The fans do. It's not like fans want EVERYTHING, but they do want the heavily implied good endings that make sense, and definitely not the bad endings that make little to no sense. The fans wanted Ryder in 2011, but it's not like he NEEDED both world titles. Zack Ryder quested the United States Championship, he won it, and that alone was considered a great victory for the fans. Hell, Zack holding the IC Title in 2016, but for just one day, was still a great moment.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 6, 2019 10:50:26 GMT -5
Lots of times. Ryback, Ryder, Sandow, off the top of my head are wrestlers fans wanted pushed to the moon who shouldn’t have been. It happens all the time. I’ll quote something I posted in the Aaron Rex thread. It's like running a sports franchise. They can't react to every outcry from their fans to fire a coach or bench one of their starting players. As the saying goes for a city with a notable football team, "the most popular guy in town is the backup quarterback". But certainly not all football teams would be better off if they were to switch QBs. Just some of them. That’s a great f***ing analogy, that I’m probably gonna shamelessly ripoff at some point in the future.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 6, 2019 10:51:39 GMT -5
Was anyone calling for a Sandow main event push, or is it like Zac Ryder where people wanted him to be used more/better at the time... Which people acted like was a demand for a main event push after his burial.
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Post by nickcave on Apr 6, 2019 11:01:36 GMT -5
The fans weren't asking for Zack Ryder to get a superman push, they just wanted him to be a featured player in the midcard title scene. Putting him in an awful storyline with Cena and Kane exposed his limitations as a performer in a way they shouldn't have. That's on WWE for not knowing how to hide the limitations and extenuate the positives that Ryder brought to the table.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 11:24:27 GMT -5
When fans reach a certain volume I think they absolutely have to go with it. The Ryder stuff was silly of them not to capitalize, I'm not a fan of Ryder's even slightly but you still gotta support that kind of reaction, not to mention the fact that you could argue that he pioneered WWE's ongoing fixation with social media. Even if it's just a flash in the pan that fizzles out over time.
Like Jack Swagger's talents could only take him so far in WWE but when he became Captain America in his crusade against Rusev, or when Rusev Day was hot, I don't think they gotta cater to every whim that fans have and it would be boring if they didn't try to throw some curveballs of their own in there, but there are times where it seems really obvious that they have something fans want and there's not a real good reason not to.
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Post by Woo on Apr 6, 2019 12:05:34 GMT -5
Crowds wanted The Rock to die. Thankfully Vince didn’t listen. But they did listen. They wanted Rocky Maivia to die, they listened and a legend was born. The should have pushed Sandow and had him beat Miz,that's all they wanted really. They should have kept pushing Ryder, they were wrong to ignore the fans then too. He could have been a solid mid carder. They should have given Ryback the title too imo. They should have pushed Kofi into the main event after the Orton feud. They should have pushed Rusev Day. I can't think of single case where they were right to ignore the fans. It's there ever a situation where you shouldn't give the fans what they want?
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 6, 2019 12:26:29 GMT -5
Crowds wanted The Rock to die. Thankfully Vince didn’t listen. Yeah.....that's exactly what happened.
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Post by karl100589 on Apr 6, 2019 12:35:18 GMT -5
Despite fans pushing for RVD to be champion the WWE were reluctant to pull the trigger.
His behaviour one week later showed why.
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Post by spagett on Apr 6, 2019 12:52:31 GMT -5
Despite fans pushing for RVD to be champion the WWE were reluctant to pull the trigger. His behaviour one week later showed why. How many times did Orton f*** up and get given another chance though?
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