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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 8, 2019 19:05:26 GMT -5
Wait, what?! Slater and Luna were together and he beat her, which led to a mental breakdown?! Have any of them mentioned this before? This is all news to me. Like Madison already mentioned with Brody’s fb post. Brody goes into more detail in his book. It got so bad that Luna hid in Howard’s house while Slater was looking for her. Brody even had to give her money just so she could leave town. It's part of why she spent so much time in Japan and Puerto Rico for the next couple of years. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 8, 2019 19:50:21 GMT -5
What about Big Time Wrestling (Detroit) and Stampede? Detroit was The Sheik on top for forty years on bloody brawls even blading jobbers without their consent. He ran it to the ground and Jim Barnett and Ole Anderson took it from under him trying to expand Georgia. Stampede apparently originally appealed to cowboys and blue collar workers according to Lance Storm so the matches were violent. It changed with Dynamite Kid and jr heavyweights were more featured. Yeah Stampede running western Canada and somtimes Montana or Wyoming it was geared blue collar. A lot of guys that were rugged and considered the every man. Occasionally they'd hit it big with someone out of the Norm like Sweet Daddy Siki, but until the Hart boys got more involved in booking it was tough. Then they started to book more British wrestlers and going more to the catch style. |
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Post by bitteroldman on Apr 8, 2019 19:55:15 GMT -5
I grew up in Chicago and I'm still not certain exactly who "owned" the town. The local promoter and star of his own weekly TV show was Bob Luce, who was a walking caricature of a goofball promoter. His show was primarily clips from house shows and in studio segements to set up angles and matches. In addition to Luce's show you also had the AWA TV show, All Star Championship Wrestling. Talent on the house shows was a mixture of AWA and Dick the Bruiser's WWA so I'm assuming that the AWA and WWA had some sort of working agreement.
Anyone (cue Madison) have more info?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 8, 2019 20:18:26 GMT -5
I grew up in Chicago and I'm still not certain exactly who "owned" the town. The local promoter and star of his own weekly TV show was Bob Luce, who was a walking caricature of a goofball promoter. His show was primarily clips from house shows and in studio segements to set up angles and matches. In addition to Luce's show you also had the AWA TV show, All Star Championship Wrestling. Talent on the house shows was a mixture of AWA and Dick the Bruiser's WWA so I'm assuming that the AWA and WWA had some sort of working agreement. Anyone (cue Madson) have more info? From the lapsed fan podcast, Verne used his influence and drawing power from the Dumont network days to conquer Chicago. |
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Apr 9, 2019 13:07:51 GMT -5
Detroit was The Sheik on top for forty years on bloody brawls even blading jobbers without their consent. He ran it to the ground and Jim Barnett and Ole Anderson took it from under him trying to expand Georgia. Stampede apparently originally appealed to cowboys and blue collar workers according to Lance Storm so the matches were violent. It changed with Dynamite Kid and jr heavyweights were more featured. Yeah Stampede running western Canada and somtimes Montana or Wyoming it was geared blue collar. A lot of guys that were rugged and considered the every man. Occasionally they'd hit it big with someone out of the Norm like Sweet Daddy Siki, but until the Hart boys got more involved in booking it was tough. Then they started to book more British wrestlers and going more to the catch style. You can see the change in about 83 and running through until Owen left for the WWE. They used an unmasked Jushin Liger and a masked Hiro Hase. Then with Pillman and Owen they really cemented the Jr feel of Japanese wrestling. |
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Post by salz4life on Apr 9, 2019 13:13:47 GMT -5
I grew up in Chicago and I'm still not certain exactly who "owned" the town. The local promoter and star of his own weekly TV show was Bob Luce, who was a walking caricature of a goofball promoter. His show was primarily clips from house shows and in studio segements to set up angles and matches. In addition to Luce's show you also had the AWA TV show, All Star Championship Wrestling. Talent on the house shows was a mixture of AWA and Dick the Bruiser's WWA so I'm assuming that the AWA and WWA had some sort of working agreement. Anyone (cue Madson) have more info? Chicago was a Verne town back in the day if I remember right. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 9, 2019 20:15:47 GMT -5
Houston was a weird place. Boesch was only interested in names despite if they were in their prime or not. He used every major world champion even if it didn’t made sense. He also relied on Hispanic talent.
He also pushed his “son” Gino Hernandez over established talent.
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Post by wildojinx on Apr 10, 2019 10:48:15 GMT -5
Didnt Houston start working with the WWF at the end of its run?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 12:02:22 GMT -5
Didnt Houston start working with the WWF at the end of its run? The condensed version is that Boesch, per Bruce Prichard, was tired and wanted out. McMahon basically bought him out, and they "co-promoted" a show, although in reality it was the WWF that pretty much did all the work. Then Boesch's son or nephew one, can't remember, held Vince up for money, and things went sour fast. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 10, 2019 14:01:11 GMT -5
Didnt Houston start working with the WWF at the end of its run? The condensed version is that Boesch, per Bruce Prichard, was tired and wanted out. McMahon basically bought him out, and they "co-promoted" a show, although in reality it was the WWF that pretty much did all the work. Then Boesch's son or nephew one, can't remember, held Vince up for money, and things went sour fast. For years, Houston operated like St.Louis and was kind of an all-star promotion. In the early 80s they partnered with World Class and used their talent. When Boesch and Fritz fell out, Paul switched to using MidSouth guys. When UWF sold to Crockett, Paul hated Crockett so he cut ties again, called up Vince and handed his territory over to him to keep it out of JCP hands. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 10, 2019 17:48:05 GMT -5
Didnt Houston start working with the WWF at the end of its run? The condensed version is that Boesch, per Bruce Prichard, was tired and wanted out. McMahon basically bought him out, and they "co-promoted" a show, although in reality it was the WWF that pretty much did all the work. Then Boesch's son or nephew one, can't remember, held Vince up for money, and things went sour fast. It was the nephew Pete Bierkholtz. Gary Hart only made a comment on passing but that essentially Boesch failed because he couldn’t get along with Vince and Houston pretty much died. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 10, 2019 19:41:11 GMT -5
The condensed version is that Boesch, per Bruce Prichard, was tired and wanted out. McMahon basically bought him out, and they "co-promoted" a show, although in reality it was the WWF that pretty much did all the work. Then Boesch's son or nephew one, can't remember, held Vince up for money, and things went sour fast. It was the nephew Pete Bierkholtz. Gary Hart only made a comment on passing but that essentially Boesch failed because he couldn’t get along with Vince and Houston pretty much died. Gary was talking out of his back-end on that one. Paul knew what was happening when he contacted Vince. He was already prepared to call it a day, and was so done with Crockett, Fritz and Verne that he preferred to let their enemy - and essentially his - take over. Did Paul and Vince get along? Probably not, but it had nothing to do with Boesch's decision to walk away - that was happening regardless. He just wanted to get WWF in place and grounded before he handed things over. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 10, 2019 20:35:42 GMT -5
It was the nephew Pete Bierkholtz. Gary Hart only made a comment on passing but that essentially Boesch failed because he couldn’t get along with Vince and Houston pretty much died. Gary was talking out of his back-end on that one. Paul knew what was happening when he contacted Vince. He was already prepared to call it a day, and was so done with Crockett, Fritz and Verne that he preferred to let their enemy - and essentially his - take over. Did Paul and Vince get along? Probably not, but it had nothing to do with Boesch's decision to walk away - that was happening regardless. He just wanted to get WWF in place and grounded before he handed things over. I disagree. According to the nephew, Paul didn’t want to retire, he wanted to partner with Vince and still run Houston but they couldn’t co exist because of the split of the gate and because the wwf guys no showed houses at Houston. Retiring and not staying with Vince was Boesch’s mistake, apparently his widow and son now live in misery and can’t even sell the Houston library because Bruce Tharpe owns it. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 10, 2019 21:29:13 GMT -5
Gary was talking out of his back-end on that one. Paul knew what was happening when he contacted Vince. He was already prepared to call it a day, and was so done with Crockett, Fritz and Verne that he preferred to let their enemy - and essentially his - take over. Did Paul and Vince get along? Probably not, but it had nothing to do with Boesch's decision to walk away - that was happening regardless. He just wanted to get WWF in place and grounded before he handed things over. I disagree. According to the nephew, We're talking about the same nephew that tried stealing the retirement show gate? That one? |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 10, 2019 21:31:26 GMT -5
I disagree. According to the nephew, We're talking about the same nephew that tried stealing the retirement show gate? That one? Lol I still think Boesch was behind the theft. The nephew doesn’t strikes me as the brain behind the operation. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 10, 2019 21:35:48 GMT -5
EMLL in Mexico
It’s kinda always been three men tags with Australian rules, which means that when someone exits the ring, it’s an automatic tag.
It’s two out of three falls.
Belts mean shit, the real money matches where hair and mask matches.
Kayfabe is still sacred to this day, not even the smarks know the real identity of the guy behind the mask but when he loses it, he reveals his name.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 10, 2019 21:38:48 GMT -5
I grew up in Chicago and I'm still not certain exactly who "owned" the town. The local promoter and star of his own weekly TV show was Bob Luce, who was a walking caricature of a goofball promoter. His show was primarily clips from house shows and in studio segements to set up angles and matches. In addition to Luce's show you also had the AWA TV show, All Star Championship Wrestling. Talent on the house shows was a mixture of AWA and Dick the Bruiser's WWA so I'm assuming that the AWA and WWA had some sort of working agreement. Anyone (cue Madson) have more info? Chicago was a Verne town back in the day if I remember right. Fred Kohler promoted Chicago during the Wrestling from Marigold days which was the first, I believe, hit national television wrestling program. He lost TV in the mid 60's and sold part of the territory to The Bruiser and Wilbur Snyder. Soon after the rest was sold to Verne. |
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