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Post by Dub H on Apr 8, 2019 22:44:46 GMT -5
So we are into gaslighting the fans into believing everything is their fault?
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Post by nisidhe on Apr 8, 2019 22:52:15 GMT -5
Notice, too, that they put Sami in a match with someone that the New York crowd was actually hoping would turn heel. Indeed, through much of that match, Finn was actually getting booed by some when he was getting in the offense.
It really wasn't until the promo from Sami that we learned that he was, yep, still a heel.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Apr 8, 2019 22:58:19 GMT -5
Didn't watch, but from reading recaps, sounds like another avatar-for-Vince situation.
How many more pseudo-shoot, trolling-the-fans, commentary-about-kids-these-days type gimmicks and angles do we really need? Give me other reasons to boo the heels. Give me a madman who goes on a reign of terror (preferably without a rubber bird puppet), or a master of sinister psychology like Jake Roberts, or someone who hurts my heroes in ways beyond dropping them through breakaway tables.
There are lots of reasons I'll boo the villain, but I'm not surprised to hear that yet another "you people" situation failed to get the desired reaction. It's beyond overdone at this stage.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 8, 2019 23:00:39 GMT -5
Didn't watch, but from reading recaps, sounds like another avatar-for-Vince situation. How many more pseudo-shoot, trolling-the-fans, commentary-about-kids-these-days type gimmicks and angles do we really need? Give me other reasons to boo the heels. Give me a madman who goes on a reign of terror (preferably without a rubber bird puppet), or a master of sinister psychology like Jake Roberts, or someone who hurts my heroes in ways beyond dropping them through breakaway tables. There are lots of reasons I'll boo the villain, but I'm not surprised to hear that yet another "you people" situation failed to get the desired reaction. It's beyond overdone at this stage. needs more millenial bashing
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Post by freeze Austin on Apr 8, 2019 23:07:20 GMT -5
Yes.
People were posting online for months about how they couldn't wait for Seth to defeat Brock and for Kofi to finally win the big one at Wrestlemania.
The very next night, the same fans were legit hoping one of them would only have a one day reign in a shenanigans-free unification match, and the crowd shit on it when it didn't happen.
Sadly it kinda proves Sami's (aka Vince's) point that nothing will make the fans happy (which isn't completely true IMO, but people need to be mindful about how reactions like that gives fuel to his POV).
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Post by Dub H on Apr 8, 2019 23:19:21 GMT -5
Yes. People were posting online for months about how they couldn't wait for Seth to defeat Brock and for Kofi to finally win the big one at Wrestlemania. The very next night, the same fans were legit hoping one of them would only have a one day reign in a shenanigans-free unification match, and the crowd shit on it when it didn't happen. Sadly it kinda proves Sami's (aka Vince's) point that nothing will make the fans happy (which isn't completely true IMO, but people need to be mindful about how reactions like that gives fuel to his POV). People were.happy to be part of a amazing historic match.Instead got a tag match with lower.mid cards,not resllt thw fans fault Also people wanted moreRollins to lose the belt. Im sure overall fans would be angrier if Kofi lost than Seth.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 23:24:52 GMT -5
Heel Sami is just damaged goods to me, so it doesn't matter what he's saying and if he's right about it or not. The feuds with Shane & Bryan and Lashley sucked so much, I only want to see him as the babyface he was before. I hope Becky talks some sense into him.
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Post by freeze Austin on Apr 8, 2019 23:37:01 GMT -5
Yes. People were posting online for months about how they couldn't wait for Seth to defeat Brock and for Kofi to finally win the big one at Wrestlemania. The very next night, the same fans were legit hoping one of them would only have a one day reign in a shenanigans-free unification match, and the crowd shit on it when it didn't happen. Sadly it kinda proves Sami's (aka Vince's) point that nothing will make the fans happy (which isn't completely true IMO, but people need to be mindful about how reactions like that gives fuel to his POV). People were.happy to be part of a amazing historic match.Instead got a tag match with lower.mid cards,not resllt thw fans fault Also people wanted moreRollins to lose the belt. Im sure overall fans would be angrier if Kofi lost than Seth. They're better off with no unification. With Smackdown moving to Fox, they're going to want their own guys and a world champion, just like USA will want with Raw. It also gives people like Kofi a better opportunity to actually ascend to a world title level than if there was just one, and makes moments like last night possible.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Apr 8, 2019 23:37:46 GMT -5
So we are into gaslighting the fans into believing everything is their fault? I think gaslighting is when you make someone think they're crazy? That's not really what this is. He is right, but "you people" promos have lost their power. No one's really made the crowd uncomfortable with them since Foley.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 8, 2019 23:42:19 GMT -5
I feel like the fans and the WWE need some sort of roundtable discussion where we can talk about our feelings and work out our differences so when wrestlers we like turn heel it's not taken as a personal shot at us. I'm joking but like, sometimes wrestling is fun when you just play along, a wrestler calls fans shitheads, fans call him an asshole, I didn't think Sami's heel turn is something that can't be given a shot. I kind of like the storyline that he came in with a positive attitude and an open challenge, got embarrassed and lost his composure. Yea, that is something to be sad
As smart as fans are, you don't really see them play along with shit and obviously their is something to be said about voicing your displeasure and having it come out good like they did with Becky
I feel like big fun could be had with Sami but as said before I think throwing him with DB and Rowan where he can even be more annoying than DB on the mic is a great thing
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Post by zappa on Apr 9, 2019 3:05:57 GMT -5
The fans are ever bit a problem as creative.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 9, 2019 3:09:22 GMT -5
I mean, judging by the fact that the promo was so laughably awful that the whole crowd disregarded everything he said and kept cheering him whilst he was doing the voice you do when you're telling your dog he's been a good doggy Kinda? "You're a good Reel Big Fish, yes you are, yes you are!"
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 9, 2019 6:15:41 GMT -5
So we are into gaslighting the fans into believing everything is their fault? I think gaslighting is when you make someone think they're crazy? That's not really what this is. He is right, but "you people" promos have lost their power. No one's really made the crowd uncomfortable with them since Foley. We need a heel who threatens to doxx the fans and get them all fired from their jobs for being unworthy of life, in the heel's eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 7:10:45 GMT -5
You mean was Vince right?
Because we all know who wrote that.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Apr 9, 2019 8:24:50 GMT -5
Yes he was.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Apr 9, 2019 8:36:07 GMT -5
I mean, judging by the fact that the promo was so laughably awful that the whole crowd disregarded everything he said and kept cheering him whilst he was doing the voice you do when you're telling your dog he's been a good doggy Kinda? "You're a good Reel Big Fish, yes you are, yes you are!" "The Wrestling Company's gonna give me lots of money and everything's gonna be alright!"
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Apr 9, 2019 10:21:06 GMT -5
Yes. People were posting online for months about how they couldn't wait for Seth to defeat Brock and for Kofi to finally win the big one at Wrestlemania. The very next night, the same fans were legit hoping one of them would only have a one day reign in a shenanigans-free unification match, and the crowd shit on it when it didn't happen. Sadly it kinda proves Sami's (aka Vince's) point that nothing will make the fans happy (which isn't completely true IMO, but people need to be mindful about how reactions like that gives fuel to his POV). It's not the fans' fault that WWE booked themselves into a corner by hyping a big main event (the commentators literally stated it could be a WrestleMania main event) on what WWE proclaims is the biggest most significant Raw of the year and then didn't deliver even remotely on it. Yeah, people didn't want Kofi or Seth's reign to end after one day. So why book it in the first place? The fans didn't ask for it. Then instead of coming up with an interesting creative solution to the problem, they take the easiest and lamest way out by having The Bar randomly interrupt the match, and it becomes a tag match - a finish that wouldn't look out of place on a meaningless SmackDown in July. We don't need to do mental gymnastics to come up with how it's the fans' fault, it's just poor WWE writing....again.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Apr 9, 2019 11:14:23 GMT -5
There's 100% a portion of the audience that this criticism applies to. No it's not every online fan, but we know the sort.
Sami in this role is just painting with a broad brush to apply it to everyone, which is fine seeing as it's a heel thing. But let's not pretend we don't know exactly the kind of online posters he's talking about. Every one of us is guilty to some extent, albeit some far more than others.
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Post by salz4life on Apr 9, 2019 11:17:55 GMT -5
Kevin (or DB?) and Sami should've been used in The Bar's place last night. It would've made more sense.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 9, 2019 11:27:49 GMT -5
There's 100% a portion of the audience that this criticism applies to. No it's not every online fan, but we know the sort. Sami in this role is just painting with a broad brush to apply it to everyone, which is fine seeing as it's a heel thing. But let's not pretend we don't know exactly the kind of online posters he's talking about. Every one of us is guilty to some extent, albeit some far more than others. True, but I dont think this applies to the whole public or crowd as some tried to imply with the main event. That is one step away for blaming fans of disliking something you did like.
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