Ref issued fine for botched finish in WM main event

[The Summer of Muskrat XVII]

Apr 9, 2019 23:11:41 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Apr 9, 2019 20:11:40 GMT -5 The Summer of Muskrat XVII said:

I’ve never heard of them getting a fine before, but it’s been at least 10 years now that the guidelines for refs have been to call it like a shoot. It’s up to the performers to not f*** up finishes, refs aren’t supposed to bail them out anymore.

that doesn't really apply here when the Ref is the one that f***ed up. Ronda's shoulder was blatantly up when he started counting.

and I remember hearing they scrapped that idea pretty quickly.

The ref blatantly f***ed up, which is why he would’ve gotten reemed out by Vince. That’s apparently a huge no-no for Refs, counting improper pins. As it mentioned in the article, protocol is to not count until it’s a legal pin. Which would’ve also been a debacle here, if there was an awkward delay before the pinfall.

And I believe originally when they changed the rules for refs, they didn’t tell the refs the finish to force them to call it like a shoot but that was very quickly abandoned.

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[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Apr 9, 2019 20:10:53 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

If true, it's funny to see how different promotions handle situations like this; makes me think of KUSHIDA pinning Kenny Omega a few years ago, or Will Ospreay pinning Bad Luck Fale this year, where the loser clearly had a shoulder up but the idea was "the finish is the finish".

That's my thought on it. Like, the shit is fake. Unless it's a situation where the move is completely f***ed up, just count the pin and have it be that. Suspension of disbelief and all that.

Plus, it's not like bad ref calls aren't a thing in real sports. Why shouldn't the same thing exist within the wrestling universe considering how inept refs already are?

[Ganon83]

Apr 9, 2019 23:11:41 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Apr 9, 2019 20:11:40 GMT -5 The Summer of Muskrat XVII said:

I’ve never heard of them getting a fine before, but it’s been at least 10 years now that the guidelines for refs have been to call it like a shoot. It’s up to the performers to not f*** up finishes, refs aren’t supposed to bail them out anymore.

that doesn't really apply here when the Ref is the one that f***ed up. Ronda's shoulder was blatantly up when he started counting.

and I remember hearing they scrapped that idea pretty quickly.

They still do it at least sometimes.

WON reported at the time that the ref in Taker-Lesnar at Mania 30 was told to call the match as a shoot and wasn't informed of said finish beforehand.

[schma]

Apr 9, 2019 21:19:42 GMT -5 Rudy Gobert Fingers said:

Wait, that ending was a shoot?

Oh my f***ing lord, that's unfortunate.

No the ending wasn't a shoot. 

They're saying refs are instructed to treat the end like a shoot so if they see a pin, they count the pin even if that isn't the finish.  However, this was apparently supposed to be the finish but he started counting before Ronda's shoulder was fully down and that's why he was fined according to this.

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Apr 9, 2019 23:24:09 GMT -5 @kn said:

I can't believe that would be the question someone asked about that storyline and not, "Why the f*** are we supposed to care about Sheamus's finances?"

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Apr 10, 2019 7:24:37 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Apr 9, 2019 23:24:09 GMT -5 @kn said:

I can't believe that would be the question someone asked about that storyline and not, "Why the f*** are we supposed to care about Sheamus's finances?"

Yeah I didn't care about it let alone the fact that Sheamus no sold that shit. He said it was expensive but he didn't care nor was he worried about it.

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[SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids]

Kayfabe: Wasn't there a time when refs slid their hands underneath the space between a wrestlers shoulders to signify that their shoulders weren't down?

Break: Aren't the refs supposed to slide their palms in-between their shoulders and open spaces to let them know they aren't really pinned?

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Apr 10, 2019 12:23:40 GMT -5 SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids said:

Kayfabe: Wasn't there a time when refs slid their hands underneath the space between a wrestlers shoulders to signify that their shoulders weren't down?

Break: Aren't the refs supposed to slide their palms in-between their shoulders and open spaces to let them know they aren't really pinned?

I've seen Amateur refs do the hand slide thing.

[Squirrel Master]

Hologram Jack Tunney should appear to rule on situations like this.

[Prince Petty]

Apr 10, 2019 16:23:06 GMT -5 Squirrel Master said:

Hologram Jack Tunney should appear to rule on situations like this.

Sure. Just slip him a few holo-bucks and you'll get the decision you want.



Honestly, the idea of the refs supposedly calling for a new finish, or a recount, if the shoulders aren't down, seems ripe for exploitation by any wrestlers who don't like the finish they've been told to go for. It's a bit of a tricky thing to judge correctly. But if Ronda was more experienced, then perhaps they could have called it a two count, got up and gone on for another thirty seconds. Or, if Becky had a non-submission finisher, she could have hit that and gone for the winning pin.

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Apr 10, 2019 12:23:40 GMT -5 SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids said:

Kayfabe: Wasn't there a time when refs slid their hands underneath the space between a wrestlers shoulders to signify that their shoulders weren't down?

Break: Aren't the refs supposed to slide their palms in-between their shoulders and open spaces to let them know they aren't really pinned?

Yeah I definetly remember seeing that on WWE multiple times

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

lol once a ref got fired in wwecw for botching the match so bad that he ruined the finish and the wrong team won.