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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 21:38:21 GMT -5
Charlotte is likely winning this match and will take the SD title. From there, you’ve got more challengers and women’s superstars to pick and choose from. It really isn’t as doom and gloom as it seems. Remember when the joke was that Cena would fight a dude a bunch of different times and the one he won was the one that counted? That's what this feels like. Charlotte being the heel that faces chase might "make sense" but it totally f***ing sucks. Charlotte doesn't get "good heel heat" with me. I'm just sick of her. How so? She’s a good athlete who excels at being a heel. She may have go away heat for you, but there are others who feel that her being the top heel on SD facing challengers until Bayley or when ember defeats her sounds like a damn good compromise.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 23, 2019 21:39:37 GMT -5
If the plan was to put the title back on Charlotte and not have Becky on both shows long term they also could have...ya know...not had the SmackDown title on the line at all at Mania and jobbed out Asuka They wanted the "Becky Two Belts" visual.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 21:40:56 GMT -5
Having Becky drop it back to Charlotte in some way tells me they were never invested in Becky beyond getting that WM moment.
It is basically them hitting their reset button....we never intended to take the belt off Charlotte BUT Becky needs her moment.
Okay Becky got her moment
Good get the belt back on Charlotte
Like someone just said it they were just gonna put it back on Charlotte they never should have had the belt on the line at Mania in the first place
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 23, 2019 21:42:14 GMT -5
As a Bayley stan, this really bugs me. There's a whole roster of women. You just stated that she's starting back at the bottom. So have her beat someone else! Hate to be all "wait and see", but WWE sees these things as "the climb means more if you start at the bottom" so I think that's where this Bayley thing is going. Or she's just got a fresh start as a JTTS. We'll see. I am more inclined to believe the former, especially if they are trying to make some kind of example to the roster. Bayley stays, and gets built up for not walking out like Sasha did.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 21:42:42 GMT -5
Remember when the joke was that Cena would fight a dude a bunch of different times and the one he won was the one that counted? That's what this feels like. Charlotte being the heel that faces chase might "make sense" but it totally f***ing sucks. Charlotte doesn't get "good heel heat" with me. I'm just sick of her. How so? She’s a good athlete who excels at being a heel. Agree on the first,disagree on the second I feel like at this point,WWE is coasting on the reason people didnt want Charlotte to begin with as an excuse to push her in these title matches. Part of the issue at the start of the whole Becky-Charlotte feud was that people simply didnt want Charlotte.That is not heel heat.
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Post by BatPunk on Apr 23, 2019 21:43:04 GMT -5
WWE needs to do this while they build up a credible threat to Becky. No one honestly can think that Lacey will beat her. Once Becky wins that match, Lacey will fall back into the pack. Charlotte can take this loss and still be there to help bring up another potential challenger for The Man.
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Post by Rican on Apr 23, 2019 21:43:24 GMT -5
If the plan was to put the title back on Charlotte and not have Becky on both shows long term they also could have...ya know...not had the SmackDown title on the line at all at Mania and jobbed out Asuka Well they wanted Becky to get a stronger star moment and be crowned as the top women on the roster. It's much easier to sell that when she has both titles than saying that when Flair/Asuka has the other belt. But her beating Charlotte and Ronda in the main event at the same night accomplishes that without her having both belts. Her winning both just to lose one a month later to someone who the story is that she didn’t “really” beat undoes what they accomplished too soon. And with the brand split someone having another belt shouldn’t reflect negatively on any of the champs. No one is saying Kofi or Seth are less of a champion for not having both belts.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 23, 2019 21:43:42 GMT -5
Having Becky drop it back to Charlotte in some way tells me they were never invested in Becky beyond getting that WM moment. It is basically them hitting their reset button....we never intended to take the belt off Charlotte BUT Becky needs her moment. Okay Becky got her moment Good get the belt back on Charlotte Like someone just said it they were just gonna put it back on Charlotte they never should have had the belt on the line at Mania in the first place So, Becky would still be the one who pinned Becky, had both titles, and would be Raw champ. That still sounds mightily invested in Becky, but an acknowledgment she can't be everywhere at once.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 21:43:46 GMT -5
Having Becky drop it back to Charlotte in some way tells me they were never invested in Becky beyond getting that WM moment. It is basically them hitting their reset button....we never intended to take the belt off Charlotte BUT Becky needs her moment. Okay Becky got her moment Good get the belt back on Charlotte Like someone just said it they were just gonna put it back on Charlotte they never should have had the belt on the line at Mania in the first place She’s the top woman on both brands. If they cared that much for Charlotte, she’d still be a babyface or she would’ve won at Mania itself. Becky losing doesn’t hurt her character or star power one bit. Hell, she beat Charlotte with one leg at the Rumble lol just because they give Charlotte the SD belt doesn’t mean their plans are for Charlotte and only Charlotte. Charlotte is supposed to be the top heel on SD while Becky is the top babyface on Raw. It makes sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 21:44:00 GMT -5
Having Becky drop it back to Charlotte in some way tells me they were never invested in Becky beyond getting that WM moment. What's with yall thinking they're not invested in Becky? She literally won 2 titles in the main event of a WM and beat someone who was undefeated for a year. She's on both shows cutting down "the blondes aka the ones this company pushes because of their looks" and beyond that she's clearly the lead woman here.
How can you say they weren't invested in her beyond that? There's literally nothing else they could do to show how much they value her as a woman on the main roster. It's to a point where whenever I see someone question how the company views Becky I'm thinking their love for her might be on some weird shit.
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Post by DSR on Apr 23, 2019 21:45:08 GMT -5
How so? She’s a good athlete who excels at being a heel. Agree on the first,disagree on the second I feel like at this point,WWE is coasting on the reason people didnt want Charlotte to begin with as an excuse to push her in these title matches. Part of the issue at the start of the whole Becky-Charlotte feud was that people simply didnt want Charlotte.That is not heel heat. THANK YOU.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 21:45:27 GMT -5
There is no reason Charlotte needs to be CONSTANTLY at the top of the womens division...all the nepotisim views towards her only gain more traction with this. Whats wrong with having Charlotte come out only to have Bayley interrupt her And then have idk EMBER challenge Becky at MITB...ya know a woman who could actually use such a match and more so such a win instead a week in and she is back there is catering somewhere. Because it really wouldn’t make sense. Why would Ember just randomly come out and confront Becky? There’s no motives involved. At least the stuff with Charlotte actually has some merit as she didn’t get beat. And nepotism views? The crowd couldn’t stop wooing her last week and even this week at times. It isn’t just Vince’s stroke or backstage help. She’s just good. So you give Ember a reason,like you gave Lacey. Or I dont know....Bayley?The one that was right there with a reason and as she said Becky never beat? Charlotte doesnt need the win agasint becky,any other woman could use the rub.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 23, 2019 21:45:54 GMT -5
Charlotte is likely winning this match and will take the SD title. From there, you’ve got more challengers and women’s superstars to pick and choose from. It really isn’t as doom and gloom as it seems. Remember when the joke was that Cena would fight a dude a bunch of different times and the one he won was the one that counted? That's what this feels like. Charlotte being the heel that faces chase might "make sense" but it totally f***ing sucks. Charlotte doesn't get "good heel heat" with me. I'm just sick of her. Right, so Lynch can beat Flair six ways from Sunday for the last seven months, but if Flair gets one cheap win on an exhausted Lynch who’d already wrestled a match beforehand, that’s rendered null and void?
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Post by robferatu on Apr 23, 2019 21:46:51 GMT -5
It would have been nice to have given Bayley the win, if only just to reestablish her as a single's competitor, but considering they've forgone the automatic rematch clause and the WWE loves playing that "Well, I was in the match and lost, but I didn't really lose so until you beat me you haven't won." angle.
It made sense for Charlotte to win, challenge Becky Lynch "hopefully" one last time and "hopefully" lose in a decisive fashion, and then hopefully go away for a while.
And when I say, go away I mean try doing something else with her and considering the Women's Tag Team Championships are now a thing, it presents the perfect opportunity to pair her with someone... Maybe even in a mentor, protege role and have her spend the rest of two-thousand and nineteen chasing the Tag Team Championships, winning them and then losing them, before breaking back off into single's competition in early two-thousand twenty.
Because whether you like it or not, she's the Roman Reigns of the women's division and will never not be pushed, but I can see them going "accolade" hunting route with her and becoming enamored with her becoming the first to hold both the Raw and Smackdown Women's Championships, and Women's Tag Team Championship.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 21:46:51 GMT -5
How so? She’s a good athlete who excels at being a heel. Agree on the first,disagree on the second I feel like at this point,WWE is coasting on the reason people didnt want Charlotte to begin with as an excuse to push her in these title matches. Part of the issue at the start of the whole Becky-Charlotte feud was that people simply didnt want Charlotte.That is not heel heat. That’s exactly what they’re doing. Because she’s a heel. The thing most of us wanted. They turned her heel and used what most people already thought about her to her advantage and it worked. Idk, I’m just not seeing the issue.
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Post by Doctor No on Apr 23, 2019 21:47:26 GMT -5
Christ, look who her dad is, he's one of the best political SOBs ever. "Yay I'm 8 time champion" - yeah you lost it 7 times. Charlotte is no politician, period. We have to stop thinking or claiming this as a fact, because there have been zero reports of this being true. You are correct. But her being the daughter of a legend that is also a close friend/mentor of one of the heads of the company and being consistently the most aggressively pushed woman for almost her entire time in the company is problematic. She is good, but the imbalance with how she has been handled for YEARS compared to basically everyone else in the division shows there are other factors involved. She may not be a politician but the politics of wrestling can definitely be factored in.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 21:47:34 GMT -5
Remember when the joke was that Cena would fight a dude a bunch of different times and the one he won was the one that counted? That's what this feels like. Charlotte being the heel that faces chase might "make sense" but it totally f***ing sucks. Charlotte doesn't get "good heel heat" with me. I'm just sick of her. Right, so Lynch can beat Flair six ways from Sunday for the last seven months, but if Flair gets one cheap win on an exhausted Lynch who’d already wrestled a match beforehand, that’s rendered null and void? I think its more about her constant presence at the main event. Plus people simply not wanting her I simply want less Charlotte in the title scene.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 21:47:44 GMT -5
Because it really wouldn’t make sense. Why would Ember just randomly come out and confront Becky? There’s no motives involved. At least the stuff with Charlotte actually has some merit as she didn’t get beat. And nepotism views? The crowd couldn’t stop wooing her last week and even this week at times. It isn’t just Vince’s stroke or backstage help. She’s just good. So you give Ember a reason,like you gave Lacey. Or I dont know....Bayley?The one that was right there with a reason and as she said Becky never beat? Charlotte doesnt need the win agasint becky,any other woman could use the rub. But then you run the risk of having either Becky or either of the babyface challengers being booed, something they clearly don’t want right now.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 21:48:51 GMT -5
Agree on the first,disagree on the second I feel like at this point,WWE is coasting on the reason people didnt want Charlotte to begin with as an excuse to push her in these title matches. Part of the issue at the start of the whole Becky-Charlotte feud was that people simply didnt want Charlotte.That is not heel heat. That’s exactly what they’re doing. Because she’s a heel. The thing most of us wanted. They turned her heel and used what most people already thought about her to her advantage and it worked. Idk, I’m just not seeing the issue. Because that is jsut flawed logic,its not that we want her heel and still pushed all the time. We dont want her pushed all the time.Heel or not,that is not heel heat,that is just bad tv for us tired of Charlotte being in the scene all the time.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Apr 23, 2019 21:49:07 GMT -5
Becky and Charlotte are both super favored and are getting those super pushes for life. They're both established no matter what now. Both need to level up other girls to their status, so it makes sense for each to head up a division and sprinkle the dust around.
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