Peeetah
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Post by Peeetah on May 9, 2019 14:24:22 GMT -5
I've always been of a mindset that having a racist person work in a company that forces them to surround themselves with minorities would be a much better way of potentially healing them than firing them and casting them off. If they are forced to interact with minorities, they'll find out that they're people too, just with different skin color or different sexual orientations or different points of view. But by firing them, you shove them back into their insulated bubble where they'll dig themselves even deeper into the perception that the different people are worse than them. On the other hand why should minorities be forced to work with a bigoted prick, if you're a grown adult and you haven't grown out of that shit that's on you.
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Post by Nosnorb on May 9, 2019 15:18:40 GMT -5
I've always been of a mindset that having a racist person work in a company that forces them to surround themselves with minorities would be a much better way of potentially healing them than firing them and casting them off. If they are forced to interact with minorities, they'll find out that they're people too, just with different skin color or different sexual orientations or different points of view. But by firing them, you shove them back into their insulated bubble where they'll dig themselves even deeper into the perception that the different people are worse than them. On the other hand why should minorities be forced to work with a bigoted prick, if you're a grown adult and you haven't grown out of that shit that's on you. And this is wrestling. The number of times you literally put your wellbeing into the other persons hands hits double figures in nearly every match.
It's disturbing as f*** to see Lars out there taking on PoC wrestlers, then you realise that those dudes are having to trust a white supremacist to take care of them and it gets even worse.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 9, 2019 15:19:20 GMT -5
The company has no moral compass. They don't give a shit.
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Post by ChitownKnight on May 9, 2019 15:34:43 GMT -5
One more thing I don’t understand is why did Hogan immediately get canned after a privately recorded racist remark while he’s a wwe legend, while Lars who will be nothing more than a toenote has publicly bashed multiple races, gay people, dead people, attacked mentally ill, and even defended rape. Like the guy took a shot at pretty much every category of human there is to take a shot at and he won’t ever draw a dime. This wasn’t a one off either, he’s made a LOT of these types of comments over the years. It should be a no brainer to can him
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Post by TGM on May 9, 2019 15:37:28 GMT -5
One more thing I don’t understand is why did Hogan immediately get canned after a privately recorded racist remark while he’s a wwe legend, while Lars who will be nothing more than a toenote has publicly bashed multiple races, gay people, dead people, attacked mentally ill, and even defended rape. Like the guy took a shot at pretty much every category of human there is to take a shot at and he won’t ever draw a dime. This wasn’t a one off either, he’s made a LOT of these types of comments over the years. It should be a no brainer to can him You've answered your own question. People cared about Hogan's disgusting racist rant. Nobody knows or cares who Lars is.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on May 9, 2019 15:38:39 GMT -5
Just an addition to the story, but it seems that WWE management knew about Lars' posts, but consider it a dead issue since he talked to them an apologized for it. Makes them having him almost exclusively attack minorities a lot more uncomfortable. 411mania.com/wrestling/big-e-responds-lars-sullivan-comments/If true it is a done deal. They knew he apologized BEFORE controversy. All I need to cut dude a break. No need to repost the same shit from November just cause trolls couldn’t get another troll fired Except, he wasn't trolling, that was shit he actually felt(quite possibly still feels) about PoC & the LGBTQ community.
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Post by ChitownKnight on May 9, 2019 15:42:08 GMT -5
One more thing I don’t understand is why did Hogan immediately get canned after a privately recorded racist remark while he’s a wwe legend, while Lars who will be nothing more than a toenote has publicly bashed multiple races, gay people, dead people, attacked mentally ill, and even defended rape. Like the guy took a shot at pretty much every category of human there is to take a shot at and he won’t ever draw a dime. This wasn’t a one off either, he’s made a LOT of these types of comments over the years. It should be a no brainer to can him You've answered your own question. People cared about Hogan's disgusting racist rant. Nobody knows or cares who Lars is. Considering the uproar it’s getting online and even his fellow co workers, I disagree. When people look at Lars they think bigot POS and not terrifying monster
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Post by eJm on May 9, 2019 15:44:05 GMT -5
You've answered your own question. People cared about Hogan's disgusting racist rant. Nobody knows or cares who Lars is. Considering the uproar it’s getting online and even his fellow co workers, I disagree. When people look at Lars they think bigot POS and not terrifying monster It’s only really now that’s happened, though. When this was first being talked about here, around the time Lars no showed events, nobody else was really talking about his online stuff, only the fact he was no showing events and might have mental health problems.
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Post by TGM on May 9, 2019 15:47:07 GMT -5
You've answered your own question. People cared about Hogan's disgusting racist rant. Nobody knows or cares who Lars is. Considering the uproar it’s getting online and even his fellow co workers, I disagree. When people look at Lars they think bigot POS and not terrifying monster Hulk Hogan being outed as a racist will forever be more of a story, forcing WWE's hand to having to be seen to do something.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 9, 2019 16:05:39 GMT -5
One more thing I don’t understand is why did Hogan immediately get canned after a privately recorded racist remark while he’s a wwe legend, while Lars who will be nothing more than a toenote has publicly bashed multiple races, gay people, dead people, attacked mentally ill, and even defended rape. Like the guy took a shot at pretty much every category of human there is to take a shot at and he won’t ever draw a dime. This wasn’t a one off either, he’s made a LOT of these types of comments over the years. It should be a no brainer to can him You don't understand why Hogan - one of the biggest, if not THE biggest name ever in the business - getting immediately canned after his recordings made it to TMZ, CNN and multiple other major news outlets, while a nobody who hadn't even debuted at the time and whose transgressions barely even got wrestling newz coverage when it first went down didn't?
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Post by ChitownKnight on May 9, 2019 16:20:53 GMT -5
One more thing I don’t understand is why did Hogan immediately get canned after a privately recorded racist remark while he’s a wwe legend, while Lars who will be nothing more than a toenote has publicly bashed multiple races, gay people, dead people, attacked mentally ill, and even defended rape. Like the guy took a shot at pretty much every category of human there is to take a shot at and he won’t ever draw a dime. This wasn’t a one off either, he’s made a LOT of these types of comments over the years. It should be a no brainer to can him You don't understand why Hogan - one of the biggest, if not THE biggest name ever in the business - getting immediately canned after his recordings made it to TMZ, CNN and multiple other major news outlets, while a nobody who hadn't even debuted at the time and whose transgressions barely even got wrestling newz coverage when it first went down didn't? I mean yeah I guess that makes sense. But Lars situation is 100 times worse than Hogan considering he attacked multiple races, mental health survivors, dead people, made sexist remarks, and even somewhat defending rape and other currently employed wrestlers are showing disdain for him, this is gonna end up snowballing if it doesn’t get taken care of soon. Say he gets a ppv match with Roman, this shit will pop up again and it will only being worse publicity for the wwe considering they knew the whole time
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 9, 2019 16:27:29 GMT -5
Lars is a Triple H guy. He’s employed for life.
Its a shame but thats how it goes.
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Post by TGM on May 9, 2019 16:28:24 GMT -5
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Post by Venti on May 9, 2019 16:29:52 GMT -5
Feels like a dude who might have some bad mental illness that manifested in a really screwed up way.
He needs to own up to his shit like an adult and admit that the things he said were absolutely wrong. If he's truly sorry and if he really has changed, he's gotta come out and say it, otherwise this will forever be associated with his name.
Who is gonna want to work with a guy who might be racist and bigoted?? Especially if it involves putting their livelihood in his hands.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 9, 2019 16:47:17 GMT -5
Someone mentioned Mattel possibly forcing WWE's hand if they get grief about releasing a Lars action figure down the line (which they probably will). That kinda has some precedence with the company apparently being the ones who got upset about Daniel Bryan choking Justin Roberts with a tie in the Nexus angle 10 years ago. That did lead to Bryan getting (briefly) fired.
So, it could be a similar case, especially if Mattel gets a lot of complaints about releasing an action figure in the likeness of an apparent unapologetic racist.
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Post by TGM on May 9, 2019 17:01:43 GMT -5
Isn't the Matell deal up this year?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 9, 2019 17:36:23 GMT -5
If true it is a done deal. They knew he apologized BEFORE controversy. All I need to cut dude a break. No need to repost the same shit from November just cause trolls couldn’t get another troll fired Except, he wasn't trolling, that was shit he actually felt(quite possibly still feels) about PoC & the LGBTQ community. Didn't he also say some pretty nasty shit about Stephanie? You'd think that she'd at least care about THAT...
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2019 17:59:48 GMT -5
Are you saying you can't feel remorseful about things said while trolling? *Let me be clear: I don't believe he was trolling. Just thought this was odd. Besides, what else is he going to say to his employer? "It's all good Big Mac, I was just messin'.." I don't think "I was wrong" is the angle anyone would take if they were just joking. "It was all a joke, I'm sorry, I realize now it's not that funny" isn't "I was wrong to say those things". We have such a vague and minimal description but I feel like if he were owning up to it as a joke we would have heard an angle that tried to deflect off of it and into how those weren't serious. "It was wrong to say those things, even as a joke". "It was wrong to say that kind of stuff to get a rise out of people". Admitting wrongdoing tells us nothing about his orginal intentions, just that he regrets the posts now -- and that could be for a number of reasons, including coming to a realization that posting incendiary stuff for shits and giggles is wrong. Again, I don't think there's any chance he was trolling, but that's not something that can be extrapolated from the vagueness of him saying he was wrong. Besides that, you've got a pissed off employer that you have no relationship with. Simply putting your head down, admitting you were wrong and apologizing is the best way to handle that situation.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on May 9, 2019 18:38:52 GMT -5
Vince will always benefit from the thing that keeps him awake at night, that pro wrestling is looked at as carny bullshit, and nobody is going to give a shit about it unless it's a legend like Hulk Hogan or a guy murders his wife and kid.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 9, 2019 19:34:22 GMT -5
He can apologize all he want but it don't mean shit because he obviously has shown he didn't f***ing learn from it and the apology was bullshit
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