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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on May 9, 2019 19:13:04 GMT -5
Not even slightly. I don't find his eccentricities cute, I find them disturbing and further indications that he should have stepped down a long time ago. And I'm of the opinion that Vince benefited much more from being in the right place at the right time and both times having competition that destroyed itself than any sort of skills of his own. Every single word of this. Vince is neither creative nor a genius. He didn't run anyone out of business, they either self-destructed or were just outright canceled. He had no hand in either. He thinks he's this intimidating amazing badass person, and the only truth in that is that he's a person. I loathe the man, I loathe his ridiculous ego, I loathe his inability of having any common sense. And any of his "quirks" are just symptoms of something being REALLY f***ing wrong. I don't find him lovable, or affable at all. At the heart of it he's a carny who got lucky more than once, but somehow manages to fail time and again into profit. And yet people bow to him, and his daughter (whom I think is great normally) tries way too hard to be Lady Vince. I hate Vince McMahon. and I have since around 2005. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2019 19:34:06 GMT -5
I can't say that it's either, more that I am fascinated by him.
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Post by Chainsaw on May 9, 2019 19:48:06 GMT -5
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Post by brown bricks on May 9, 2019 19:57:46 GMT -5
Maybe it's the WCW fan in me coming out, but I loathe Vince McMahon. I think he has done A LOT of things to seriously hurt professional wrestling. There's also the thing with him being a seemingly terrible person as well.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on May 9, 2019 23:56:19 GMT -5
No. On top of being a petty, vindictive, out-of-touch, racist egomaniac, he is responsible for pro-wrestling in the US becoming what it is today. He’s responsible for killing off every other option and filling the void with his stale product.
He made himself rich by destroying his competition and keeps himself rich by exploiting the hell out of his talent.
He’s a terrible person and hopefully will be remembered as such:
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 0:56:09 GMT -5
Is it fascinating to hear and see his idiocy?Yes.
Do I love him?No.
My grandfather was insane but because he was my grandfather I was required by law to love him and if he wasn’t family I may have been entertained by his zany debaucherous adventures.Vince isn’t my family so I’m not required to love him sure he had a couple good years but it really comes across as a blind squirrel finding a nut because over his career the product has been terrible way more often then its been good and the fact that I have no desire to watch the #1 wrestling company in the world speaks volumes.Vince ain’t getting no love from me and I’m a passionate lover so its his loss.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on May 10, 2019 18:13:09 GMT -5
He's a piece of shit.
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Post by Kalmia on May 10, 2019 18:46:12 GMT -5
I think Vince is fascinating. If I could have a guaranteed, 100% truthful biography of anybody I would choose to have a biography of Vince. I'm pretty sure that I'd hate him by the end of it, if I didn't hate him already.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 10, 2019 18:46:42 GMT -5
Not even slightly. I don't find his eccentricities cute, I find them disturbing and further indications that he should have stepped down a long time ago. And I'm of the opinion that Vince benefited much more from being in the right place at the right time and both times having competition that destroyed itself than any sort of skills of his own. This is my general sentiment for the most part so I'm just gonna put this good post on a pedestal, but I actually do sort of have a sick fascination with Vince's eccentricities and the bizarre stories about him, in sort of the same way I'm interested in serial killer documentaries. Which is not, before anyone gets weird, to say he's as bad as a serial killer or anything like that, but the utter insanity of Vince McMahon as a human being scratches that same kind of freak show itch for me. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 10, 2019 19:36:07 GMT -5
Not even slightly. I don't find his eccentricities cute, I find them disturbing and further indications that he should have stepped down a long time ago. And I'm of the opinion that Vince benefited much more from being in the right place at the right time and both times having competition that destroyed itself than any sort of skills of his own. This is my general sentiment for the most part so I'm just gonna put this good post on a pedestal, but I actually do sort of have a sick fascination with Vince's eccentricities and the bizarre stories about him, in sort of the same way I'm interested in serial killer documentaries. Which is not, before anyone gets weird, to say he's as bad as a serial killer or anything like that, but the utter insanity of Vince McMahon as a human being scratches that same kind of freak show itch for me. my weird stance on his eccentricities are things like randomly giving Tony Atlas a job multiple times becuase he heard he had money issues... and the like... then turn around and you get stories of him chasing people around with shit stained underwear... and his ruthless business practices... and he seems completely unstable... and getting worse. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 10, 2019 19:56:41 GMT -5
He didn't run anyone out of business, they either self-destructed or were just outright canceled. He had no hand in either. I don't think this is strictly true. He signed the stars out of all of the territories. |
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Post by RI Richmark on May 10, 2019 21:01:42 GMT -5
Do I love Vince? I don't know him personally, so no. Do I respect what he's done? Absolutely! Years ago I watched the documentary "The Men Who Built America" on the History Channel (back when they actually covered history  ). It was about the heads of industry and business in the late 19th/ early 20th centuries and how they shaped modern society. As I was watching I thought about how much of these men's lives paralleled Vince McMahon. What Rockefeller was to oil, what Carnegie was to steel, what Henry Ford was to automobiles Vince is to Pro Wresting. These men, like Vince, rose to the top of their fields because they recognized opportunities when they saw them and went after them hard. They thought differently, took risks, innovated, expanded, embraced new ideas and forever changed their world. Also these men, like Vince were ruthless and did some morally reprehensible things. They stepped on people on the way to the top. They crushed any and all competitors, stole ideas, held open contempt for the law and treated their workers like dirt. They wouldn't care if their actions caused a million people to starve as long as they profited from it. And these men probably held some pretty questionable views on race, sex, religion and other things. But they were also great philanthropists. They gave millions to charities, universities and the arts. Likewise Vince has donated time and millions to charities like The Make a Wish Foundation and the Special Olympics for decades. Some speculate that this philanthropy was nothing more than PR. Others believe that their actions were sincere. I think it's a bit of both. Whatever you think of these men you can't deny the impact they had on this world. They helped bring light and heat into our homes, made buildings that touch the sky, and allowed us to travel great distances. They helped turn the United States into a superporwer. The world would be a very different place without them. As for Vince, well I share the opinion that most people on here have, that he's old and out of touch. Has been for at least the past decade. I really wish he'd step down. But regardless what you think of him personally you can't deny him his legacy. He took what was one of many regional promotions and turned it into a worldwide phenomenon. How we view, hell how we think of Pro Wrestling has been shaped in a large part by Vince McMahon. We are living in his vision. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 10, 2019 21:14:54 GMT -5
He didn't run anyone out of business, they either self-destructed or were just outright canceled. He had no hand in either. I don't think this is strictly true. He signed the stars out of all of the territories. Yeah, he absolutely helped put the territories out of business. Some were imploding on their own but saying he had NO hand in that is just factually inaccurate. I'd also say saying he had no hand in WCW closing is also inaccurate. While the merger is what ultimately killed it, WWE's product at the time beating WCW's in ratings as bad as it does certainly made it an easier sell to the company. Still would I call him a genius business man? Not especially. But I mean he is still getting massive television contracts despite the slope they've been on for years... Creatively? Also no... he seems to have ideas on how to book exactly one way the big 80's action movie superhero style booking... which again has been played out like 30 years ago.. and he only changed from it in the 90's because he had to. |
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Post by Casey Jones on May 10, 2019 21:17:54 GMT -5
like him or hate him. He's one guy I would love to come out with an autobiography.
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Post by EyeofTyr on May 10, 2019 21:28:05 GMT -5
No, because Vince McMahon is someone I don't know personally.
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Post by RI Richmark on May 10, 2019 21:52:54 GMT -5
I don't think this is strictly true. He signed the stars out of all of the territories. Yeah, he absolutely helped put the territories out of business. Some were imploding on their own but saying he had NO hand in that is just factually inaccurate. I'd also say saying he had no hand in WCW closing is also inaccurate. While the merger is what ultimately killed it, WWE's product at the time beating WCW's in ratings as bad as it does certainly made it an easier sell to the company. Still would I call him a genius business man? Not especially. But I mean he is still getting massive television contracts despite the slope they've been on for years... Creatively? Also no... he seems to have ideas on how to book exactly one way the big 80's action movie superhero style booking... which again has been played out like 30 years ago.. and he only changed from it in the 90's because he had to. I'm not sure if genius is the right word either. But in the 80's he did realize a style that would be successful nationally. He did recognize and seize the opportunities to take take his company national. He did embrace the dream of an event that could draw 80,000 and be seen by millions on PPV. Maybe opportunistic and bold are better descriptions? |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 11, 2019 9:56:19 GMT -5
Hes a psychopath that allegedly sexually assaulted two women. f*** him.
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Post by Aceorton on May 12, 2019 16:17:06 GMT -5
From everything I've ever read (and admittedly it's not like I've ever been in a room with him), I'm not sure the man has the capacity for genuine human empathy.
He has gotten close with some people, by all accounts, but it's usually his champions -- the people he has groomed and developed into top assets for his company. He has done nice things for people sometimes, but almost as if he recognizes what a nice thing would be and does that occasionally.
But in terms of actually feeling for other human beings outside his own family, the track record is long and mostly damning. If hundreds of people who had worked for me over the years had taken copious amounts of steroids and abused drugs and developed chronic health problems and died young even *in part* because of the lengths I had pushed them to, and the outrageous schedules I had demanded, and specific physical traits I wanted in my employees, I would be haunted by a sense of responsibility for it all and hating myself for not taking care of people better. If Vince McMahon feels that way at all, we certainly have never seen it. In fact, his public stance has almost always been the opposite: Not me. Not Vince. They chose to work for me, and do X, Y, Z. Not my responsibility. They're independent contractors. Why should I give them health benefits? And now he's even tinkering with people's contracts when they want to leave.
Wrestling is such a sleazy, carny business that you do have to calibrate your view of Vince against the idea that a lot of the people he has dealt with over the years were/are also scumbags -- in some cases much bigger scumbags. But I don't think that changes that something is fundamentally wrong with the guy. I see him as a severely damaged person (the word "sociopath" might even be clinically accurate) dating back to the traumatic events of his childhood, and that he may not be capable of seeing other people as anything but means to his own ends.
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Post by auph10imitated on May 12, 2019 16:23:02 GMT -5
I love him for giving us WWF-E. I don’t agree with all of his choices or decisions, but he’s provided us with some brilliance as well and that’s why we are all fans.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 12, 2019 16:31:04 GMT -5
like him or hate him. He's one guy I would love to come out with an autobiography. I have trouble with the idea that ANY ghostwriter is going to want to hang around Vince long enough to hear Vince tell him enough stories to make a 300+ page book out of. And also not want to spin it to make Vince look like the second worst person currently alive on Earth behind [redacted]. |
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