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Post by Perfect Timing on May 22, 2019 23:47:32 GMT -5
KOTR 93 when Diesel attacked him I was like "oh shit that guy ain't scared of big Crush" Crush looked huge then looked like Diesel had met his match.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 23, 2019 0:07:14 GMT -5
Doink, brah! Yer makin' the kids cry, brah!
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on May 23, 2019 1:06:16 GMT -5
If he'd come along even 5 years earlier I think he'd of done much better. Right around his first solo push, you had the steroid scandal and the WWF shying away from the bigger guys and pushing guys like Shawn and Bret. If he'd come in during the mid-to-late-80s, he could've been like the #3 babyface behind Hogan and Warrior. But by the early 90s, the big muscly dude in neon was just passe.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 23, 2019 2:56:11 GMT -5
If he'd come along even 5 years earlier I think he'd of done much better. Right around his first solo push, you had the steroid scandal and the WWF shying away from the bigger guys and pushing guys like Shawn and Bret. If he'd come in during the mid-to-late-80s, he could've been like the #3 babyface behind Hogan and Warrior. But by the early 90s, the big muscly dude in neon was just passe. Thing with Crush though was even though he was big he didn't really have a steroid looking body like say Warrior or Warlord or Hercules. He was just a tall and bulky guy but really not that cut like most of those steroid guys from the 80's. It was the same thing with Kevin Nash who they didn't shy away from pushing and putting the strap on. Nash was really tall and big and had the larger then life feel but really wasn't all that muscular. I think what really screwed him was British Bulldog refusing to feud with Doink before he was fired. Crush basically took Bulldog's spot on the card as the musclehead midcard babyface and as a result was put into the Doink feud instead in which he was made to look like a total moron at every turn. Like seriously I can't remember a babyface in that era of WWF coming out a feud looking like a bigger loser then Crush did in that feud. It basically ruined his career as even though I don't think could've been a main event guy or anything I thought he could've been a solid upper midcard face for years as he was fairly talented and was decently over. However after that feud his cred was shot and they ended up having to turn him heel which wasn't a good fit for him as I thought he was better as a face.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 23, 2019 3:13:38 GMT -5
The Doink feud just needed him to have a big victory to blow it off.
Other than that it would have been fine, yes Doink was a clown, but this wasn't face Doink running around with banana peels and stuff.
The 2 big moments of the feud were basically Doink beating him down with a lead pipe and cheating by getting another guy in, you can't really hold that against and babyface.
The blow off should have been King of the Ring 1993, cage match with a decisive end instead of a random IC title match with no build.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on May 23, 2019 3:41:30 GMT -5
I wish someone would have said to heel Crush; you look familiar with face paint.
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Post by nisidhe on May 23, 2019 13:48:55 GMT -5
If he'd come along even 5 years earlier I think he'd of done much better. Right around his first solo push, you had the steroid scandal and the WWF shying away from the bigger guys and pushing guys like Shawn and Bret. If he'd come in during the mid-to-late-80s, he could've been like the #3 babyface behind Hogan and Warrior. But by the early 90s, the big muscly dude in neon was just passe. I don't think he was necessarily passe - remember that the Steiner Brothers, with a similar look, were hugely over at the same time. I think he had a niche as that upper-midcard hoss who could gatekeep the main-event scene, but he was never going to look credible as an opponent to the likes of Hart or Michaels or even Luger. He should have remained a babyface, though, I think. Heeldom did nothing for him.
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Post by Dean-o on May 25, 2019 2:44:53 GMT -5
I liked how Demolition, Kona and Evil Crush were all different gimmicks despite it being the same guy. I suppose you could mention Convict Crush and KroniK in that too. Not to mention the dude got 3 Hasbros made of him, while so many others couldn’t get 1. The feud with Doink killed him as a face. Constantly outsmarted and never got his big win over him. His heel turn was very well done though. I still remember watching his attack on Savage as a kid.
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Post by hassanchop on May 25, 2019 2:57:28 GMT -5
If he'd come along even 5 years earlier I think he'd of done much better. Right around his first solo push, you had the steroid scandal and the WWF shying away from the bigger guys and pushing guys like Shawn and Bret. If he'd come in during the mid-to-late-80s, he could've been like the #3 babyface behind Hogan and Warrior. But by the early 90s, the big muscly dude in neon was just passe. I don't think he was necessarily passe - remember that the Steiner Brothers, with a similar look, were hugely over at the same time. I think he had a niche as that upper-midcard hoss who could gatekeep the main-event scene, but he was never going to look credible as an opponent to the likes of Hart or Michaels or even Luger. He should have remained a babyface, though, I think. Heeldom did nothing for him. I say mid-95 when Luger left was the perfect time to bring him back as a face, have him feud with Bulldog or Tatanka. Tatanka admitted he wasn't high on feuding with Ahmed Johnson, so maybe a program with a newly reformed Crush could be there, maybe he could team with Bam Bam to take on the rest of Dibiase's faction and possibly Cornette's Camp of Bulldog, Owen and Yokozuna.
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Post by nisidhe on May 25, 2019 5:11:25 GMT -5
I don't think he was necessarily passe - remember that the Steiner Brothers, with a similar look, were hugely over at the same time. I think he had a niche as that upper-midcard hoss who could gatekeep the main-event scene, but he was never going to look credible as an opponent to the likes of Hart or Michaels or even Luger. He should have remained a babyface, though, I think. Heeldom did nothing for him. I say mid-95 when Luger left was the perfect time to bring him back as a face, have him feud with Bulldog or Tatanka. Tatanka admitted he wasn't high on feuding with Ahmed Johnson, so maybe a program with a newly reformed Crush could be there, maybe he could team with Bam Bam to take on the rest of Dibiase's faction and possibly Cornette's Camp of Bulldog, Owen and Yokozuna. Those aren't bad options, to be honest. You'd have Bulldog and Owen, especially, making Crush look good in their matches, which could have helped him get a little past his ceiling and into IC contendership. I'd have preferred it if he'd never turned: this was still a period in which you risked getting Orndorffed if you turned twice within a couple years, never mind within a year.
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Post by SmashTV on May 25, 2019 6:03:27 GMT -5
As others have said, him losing the Doink feud did him no favours, but fans were also starting to cheer heel Doink due to the nature of the gimmick. This didn’t help Crush as fans favoured the heel and lost interest in him; losing the feud only cemented that lack of interest.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on May 25, 2019 6:33:01 GMT -5
I don't think he was necessarily passe - remember that the Steiner Brothers, with a similar look, were hugely over at the same time. I think he had a niche as that upper-midcard hoss who could gatekeep the main-event scene, but he was never going to look credible as an opponent to the likes of Hart or Michaels or even Luger. He should have remained a babyface, though, I think. Heeldom did nothing for him. I say mid-95 when Luger left was the perfect time to bring him back as a face, have him feud with Bulldog or Tatanka. Tatanka admitted he wasn't high on feuding with Ahmed Johnson, so maybe a program with a newly reformed Crush could be there, maybe he could team with Bam Bam to take on the rest of Dibiase's faction and possibly Cornette's Camp of Bulldog, Owen and Yokozuna. He was fired by the WWF just before WrestleMania XI for getting caught with illegal steroids and handguns, later receiving 5 years probation, so he wasn't really available in mid-95.
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Post by hassanchop on May 25, 2019 8:25:48 GMT -5
I say mid-95 when Luger left was the perfect time to bring him back as a face, have him feud with Bulldog or Tatanka. Tatanka admitted he wasn't high on feuding with Ahmed Johnson, so maybe a program with a newly reformed Crush could be there, maybe he could team with Bam Bam to take on the rest of Dibiase's faction and possibly Cornette's Camp of Bulldog, Owen and Yokozuna. He was fired by the WWF just before WrestleMania XI for getting caught with illegal steroids and handguns, later receiving 5 years probation, so he wasn't really available in mid-95. I guess. And then again while he was fired, he was in that Bollywood movie where he had a death match against Underfaker: How did WWE and Taker take it?
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Post by Hypnosis on May 25, 2019 10:07:08 GMT -5
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Post by agent817 on May 25, 2019 10:17:35 GMT -5
He was fired by the WWF just before WrestleMania XI for getting caught with illegal steroids and handguns, later receiving 5 years probation, so he wasn't really available in mid-95. I guess. And then again while he was fired, he was in that Bollywood movie where he had a death match against Underfaker: How did WWE and Taker take it? I had no idea about this. Then again, this movie was made in India, so how could I have known about this? This was just a sight to behold.
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Post by hassanchop on May 25, 2019 10:20:26 GMT -5
I guess. And then again while he was fired, he was in that Bollywood movie where he had a death match against Underfaker: How did WWE and Taker take it? I had no idea about this. Then again, this movie was made in India, so how could I have known about this? This was just a sight to behold. It was inducted a few years back: wrestlecrap.com/inductions/crush-vs-undertaker-bollywood-backlot-brawl/
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