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Post by brown bricks on May 20, 2019 8:13:20 GMT -5
So here’s my question; why do WWE fear AEW so much? Sure, they have a TV deal, and are acquiring talents WWE might have wanted but...they haven’t put on a show yet and if the PAC thing is to be believed (there’s a bit too much hokey wrestling for that to fully believed but that’s just me), they haven’t quite balanced the office/talent dynamic yet or at least in this one case? Hell, I’ll be bold to put up that even though it went belly up, they didn’t get this nervous about TNA getting Hogan and pretty much every name talent under the sun that was still wrestling AND they were on a cable rival. Is it because they also have a billionaire backing me? Hell, I’m excited about AEW’s debut but I’m confused by WWE’s stance. I think Hunter is more nervous about AEW than anyone. It's pretty clear he recognizes the wrestling landscape and how unpopular Vince's direction for the company is. Fan driven revenue is down across the board for WWE, talent is unsatisfied, and the number of shiny toys left for Hunter to stash in NXT is becoming very slim. Meanwhile the thirst for something...ANYTHING as an alternative to WWE is palpable. Hunter sees all of this, and is now frustrated on Twitter. Hunter is also smart enough to recognize that AEW is not being run by idiots like Dixie Carter or Vince Russo or Hogan. It's being run by Dusty's sons, who are very clearly in touch with what fans want, and they have done just about everything right to get this off the ground. I think this is a pretty good summary. AEW has all of the hype right now and is perceived as being a lot 'cooler' than WWE. There is absolutely nothing cool about the WWE at the moment. While it's not going to happen instantly, I think there is a sea change coming up in wrestling. While I don't think AEW is going to put WWE out of business any time soon, I do think they will be serious competition a lot fast than many people think if WWE doesn't change really quickly (And, spoiler alert, they won't).
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 20, 2019 8:43:25 GMT -5
So here’s my question; why do WWE fear AEW so much? Because they're bankrolled by someone with more money than Vince. I genuinely think that's it.
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Post by KofiMania on May 20, 2019 8:44:00 GMT -5
I’d take Meltzer reporting this with a grain of salt considering he’s practically AEW’s PR man.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on May 20, 2019 9:11:43 GMT -5
In giving this speech, at no time have they ever mentioned a competing wrestling company. [/quote] So wait...you mean you are trying to claim that during the Monday Night Wars, when they were in direct competition with a company who was beating their ass and taking their stars, who talked endless shit ON THEIR SHOW, who went through legal battle after legal battle with them...they never once mentioned WCW in these meetings? Get the f*** out of here, Meltzer, you drivel-peddling putz. What a f***ing clown.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on May 20, 2019 9:29:21 GMT -5
TNA at their peak had a track record of incompetence so there's little don't Vince expected them to blow it sooner, rather than later. With AEW, he's going up against a fellow billionaire who isn't just signing the same old names that drove other promotions into the ground, they got a TV deal, they've got buzz, they have a budget that makes them seem like an alternative for talent too, giving guys leverage in negotiations... It's a perfect storm of Vince's nightmares. Basicallly this. AEW has deeper pockets and more competence than TNA ever had. There’s no pie in the sky dreams of a “war” or people using AEW for a quick buck from a vain dumb money mark and nostalgia trip.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on May 20, 2019 10:04:41 GMT -5
Something tells me it wasn't nearly as rousing as Paul E's speech to the talent before the first ECW PPV...
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 10:18:03 GMT -5
So here’s my question; why do WWE fear AEW so much? Because they're bankrolled by someone with more money than Vince. I genuinely think that's it. It is exactly this. A player has emerged that can easily outspend Vince and now gives talent leverage and reason to jump ship to a rival company that just so happens to be on a big time network. Vince just even 5yrs ago could simply outspend anyone else for talent....now there is someone that can outspend even him.
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Post by mattyy on May 21, 2019 4:29:12 GMT -5
So wait...you mean you are trying to claim that during the Monday Night Wars, when they were in direct competition with a company who was beating their ass and taking their stars, who talked endless shit ON THEIR SHOW, who went through legal battle after legal battle with them...they never once mentioned WCW in these meetings? Get the f*** out of here, Meltzer, you drivel-peddling putz. What a f***ing clown. Your bias is showing. Context is always key. How many of that current roster have been around since the fall of WCW? Don't count guys like Booker T, Mark Henry, Kane, Undertaker, and Big Show because they aren't around every week. Think of the locker room that is around right and the culture they have been brought up in since the fall of WCW. The only guys touring with WWE right now that were around for WCW would be The Hardy Boys, Triple H, R-Truth, Paul Heyman, then you have some backstage crew members like Jarrett, Hayes, Kidman, Helms, and Angle. For the most part, the vets of the locker room have grown as talents without WWE referring to other companies. TNA landing on Spike after WWE leaves it? Nothing. TNA getting The Dudleys, Rhino, and Christian? Not a word, it's just a midcard talent. TNA getting Kurt Angle? Oh well, we tried getting him to go to rehab, they can have him, but it's no concern to us; Not a word. TNA getting on Monday's with Hulk Hogan, the closest we've had to competition until now? Not. A. Word. Because the only competition was ran by people that WWE knew they could out bid, and out perform. At the end of the day, TNA had no real five-year-plan. They just wanted to compete right out of the gate, they wanted to be WCW 2.0, but they didn't have the one thing that WCW had. They had Russo, and they had top names, but they didn't have the people at Turner that knew how to budget, how to advertise, etc. Which is why TNA is in the shape they are in currently, with Callis doing what he can to salvage what little is salvageable, and doing a good job of that as well. So yes, to a lot of talent this would be the first time WWE has mentioned another company in a meeting.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 21, 2019 5:11:31 GMT -5
So wait...you mean you are trying to claim that during the Monday Night Wars, when they were in direct competition with a company who was beating their ass and taking their stars, who talked endless shit ON THEIR SHOW, who went through legal battle after legal battle with them...they never once mentioned WCW in these meetings? Get the f*** out of here, Meltzer, you drivel-peddling putz. What a f***ing clown. Your bias is showing. Context is always key. How many of that current roster have been around since the fall of WCW? Don't count guys like Booker T, Mark Henry, Kane, Undertaker, and Big Show because they aren't around every week. Think of the locker room that is around right and the culture they have been brought up in since the fall of WCW. The only guys touring with WWE right now that were around for WCW would be The Hardy Boys, Triple H, R-Truth, Paul Heyman, then you have some backstage crew members like Jarrett, Hayes, Kidman, Helms, and Angle. For the most part, the vets of the locker room have grown as talents without WWE referring to other companies. TNA landing on Spike after WWE leaves it? Nothing. TNA getting The Dudleys, Rhino, and Christian? Not a word, it's just a midcard talent. TNA getting Kurt Angle? Oh well, we tried getting him to go to rehab, they can have him, but it's no concern to us; Not a word. TNA getting on Monday's with Hulk Hogan, the closest we've had to competition until now? Not. A. Word. Because the only competition was ran by people that WWE knew they could out bid, and out perform. At the end of the day, TNA had no real five-year-plan. They just wanted to compete right out of the gate, they wanted to be WCW 2.0, but they didn't have the one thing that WCW had. They had Russo, and they had top names, but they didn't have the people at Turner that knew how to budget, how to advertise, etc. Which is why TNA is in the shape they are in currently, with Callis doing what he can to salvage what little is salvageable, and doing a good job of that as well. So yes, to a lot of talent this would be the first time WWE has mentioned another company in a meeting. Not just that, but these sorts of "Steph comes out and gives empty motivational marketing speeches to the locker room" may not have even been around during the Monday Night Wars. Sure there were locker room meetings but these sorts of speeches could well be an invention of the past few years, in which case WCW doesn't even enter into it. They could be a recent thing or even something in recent years rooted in trying to keep up the reportedly low morale.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on May 21, 2019 5:54:40 GMT -5
So wait...you mean you are trying to claim that during the Monday Night Wars, when they were in direct competition with a company who was beating their ass and taking their stars, who talked endless shit ON THEIR SHOW, who went through legal battle after legal battle with them...they never once mentioned WCW in these meetings? Get the f*** out of here, Meltzer, you drivel-peddling putz. What a f***ing clown. Your bias is showing. Context is always key. How many of that current roster have been around since the fall of WCW? Don't count guys like Booker T, Mark Henry, Kane, Undertaker, and Big Show because they aren't around every week. Think of the locker room that is around right and the culture they have been brought up in since the fall of WCW. The only guys touring with WWE right now that were around for WCW would be The Hardy Boys, Triple H, R-Truth, Paul Heyman, then you have some backstage crew members like Jarrett, Hayes, Kidman, Helms, and Angle. For the most part, the vets of the locker room have grown as talents without WWE referring to other companies. TNA landing on Spike after WWE leaves it? Nothing. TNA getting The Dudleys, Rhino, and Christian? Not a word, it's just a midcard talent. TNA getting Kurt Angle? Oh well, we tried getting him to go to rehab, they can have him, but it's no concern to us; Not a word. TNA getting on Monday's with Hulk Hogan, the closest we've had to competition until now? Not. A. Word. Because the only competition was ran by people that WWE knew they could out bid, and out perform. At the end of the day, TNA had no real five-year-plan. They just wanted to compete right out of the gate, they wanted to be WCW 2.0, but they didn't have the one thing that WCW had. They had Russo, and they had top names, but they didn't have the people at Turner that knew how to budget, how to advertise, etc. Which is why TNA is in the shape they are in currently, with Callis doing what he can to salvage what little is salvageable, and doing a good job of that as well. So yes, to a lot of talent this would be the first time WWE has mentioned another company in a meeting. First off, let's cut the "bias showing" nonsense. This isn't some great SJW moment for you. You're arguing on behalf of Dave Meltzer, a man who is routinely proven to be wrong, caught outright lying, and who is quite biased himself toward whoever his friends are and/or whoever is feeding him info. The Meltzer Hill is not one to die on. Second: "In giving this speech, at no time have they ever mentioned a competing wrestling company." Direct quote from the Observer, provided in the OP. These meetings aren't anything new. They have always had the rah-rah meetings, even when they were the only company around. People who have actually been present for them have spoken about them. Now, the use of the phrase "no time" and the word "ever"...maybe it's just me, but I take those to mean "no time" and "ever". It seems to me that a reporter as "great" as Meltzer would mean them like that as well, since that's that's the only thing they can mean mean. If he meant "for the first time in a long time", then that would require different phrasing, as that is a different concept than "no time" or "ever". Maybe I just expect better writing, or maybe Meltzer said something stupid trying to make his friend's new company sound like a big threat. God knows it wouldn't be the first time he said dumb shit to hype up his friends.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 21, 2019 6:32:27 GMT -5
Your bias is showing. Context is always key. How many of that current roster have been around since the fall of WCW? Don't count guys like Booker T, Mark Henry, Kane, Undertaker, and Big Show because they aren't around every week. Think of the locker room that is around right and the culture they have been brought up in since the fall of WCW. The only guys touring with WWE right now that were around for WCW would be The Hardy Boys, Triple H, R-Truth, Paul Heyman, then you have some backstage crew members like Jarrett, Hayes, Kidman, Helms, and Angle. For the most part, the vets of the locker room have grown as talents without WWE referring to other companies. TNA landing on Spike after WWE leaves it? Nothing. TNA getting The Dudleys, Rhino, and Christian? Not a word, it's just a midcard talent. TNA getting Kurt Angle? Oh well, we tried getting him to go to rehab, they can have him, but it's no concern to us; Not a word. TNA getting on Monday's with Hulk Hogan, the closest we've had to competition until now? Not. A. Word. Because the only competition was ran by people that WWE knew they could out bid, and out perform. At the end of the day, TNA had no real five-year-plan. They just wanted to compete right out of the gate, they wanted to be WCW 2.0, but they didn't have the one thing that WCW had. They had Russo, and they had top names, but they didn't have the people at Turner that knew how to budget, how to advertise, etc. Which is why TNA is in the shape they are in currently, with Callis doing what he can to salvage what little is salvageable, and doing a good job of that as well. So yes, to a lot of talent this would be the first time WWE has mentioned another company in a meeting. First off, let's cut the "bias showing" nonsense. This isn't some great SJW moment for you. Oh, for God's sake, cut it the f*** out.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on May 21, 2019 6:41:43 GMT -5
First off, let's cut the "bias showing" nonsense. This isn't some great SJW moment for you. Oh, for God's sake, cut it the f*** out. Sorry, but this kind of stuff is a little over the top on a discussion about Meltzer's bullshit reporting.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 21, 2019 7:10:17 GMT -5
Your bias is showing. Context is always key. How many of that current roster have been around since the fall of WCW? Don't count guys like Booker T, Mark Henry, Kane, Undertaker, and Big Show because they aren't around every week. Think of the locker room that is around right and the culture they have been brought up in since the fall of WCW. The only guys touring with WWE right now that were around for WCW would be The Hardy Boys, Triple H, R-Truth, Paul Heyman, then you have some backstage crew members like Jarrett, Hayes, Kidman, Helms, and Angle. For the most part, the vets of the locker room have grown as talents without WWE referring to other companies. TNA landing on Spike after WWE leaves it? Nothing. TNA getting The Dudleys, Rhino, and Christian? Not a word, it's just a midcard talent. TNA getting Kurt Angle? Oh well, we tried getting him to go to rehab, they can have him, but it's no concern to us; Not a word. TNA getting on Monday's with Hulk Hogan, the closest we've had to competition until now? Not. A. Word. Because the only competition was ran by people that WWE knew they could out bid, and out perform. At the end of the day, TNA had no real five-year-plan. They just wanted to compete right out of the gate, they wanted to be WCW 2.0, but they didn't have the one thing that WCW had. They had Russo, and they had top names, but they didn't have the people at Turner that knew how to budget, how to advertise, etc. Which is why TNA is in the shape they are in currently, with Callis doing what he can to salvage what little is salvageable, and doing a good job of that as well. So yes, to a lot of talent this would be the first time WWE has mentioned another company in a meeting. First off, let's cut the "bias showing" nonsense. This isn't some great SJW moment for you. You're arguing on behalf of Dave Meltzer, a man who is routinely proven to be wrong, caught outright lying, and who is quite biased himself toward whoever his friends are and/or whoever is feeding him info. The Meltzer Hill is not one to die on. Second: "In giving this speech, at no time have they ever mentioned a competing wrestling company." Direct quote from the Observer, provided in the OP. These meetings aren't anything new. They have always had the rah-rah meetings, even when they were the only company around. People who have actually been present for them have spoken about them. Now, the use of the phrase "no time" and the word "ever"...maybe it's just me, but I take those to mean "no time" and "ever". It seems to me that a reporter as "great" as Meltzer would mean them like that as well, since that's that's the only thing they can mean mean. If he meant "for the first time in a long time", then that would require different phrasing, as that is a different concept than "no time" or "ever". Maybe I just expect better writing, or maybe Meltzer said something stupid trying to make his friend's new company sound like a big threat. God knows it wouldn't be the first time he said dumb shit to hype up his friends. You're going very literally into two very key words and ignoring some others to very aggressively try to act like a point is ironclad so lemme throw one back at you "this speech". In giving this speech, they have not talked about competing wrestling companies. Locker room meetings is one thing, but what about giving the speech that WWE's only competition is other forms of media rather than other wrestling? How long have they been doing that? WWE has claimed in recent years their business is more like Disney than it is like a wrestling promotion, and they have been harping a lot lately on the idea their competition is stuff like Disney. That's not a point they were beating the drum of constantly and with empty PR nonsense in 1997. If he's referring to the idea of this competition speech talking up Netflix and video games as their main rivals for the time of their audience, then yes this could well be the very first time that another wrestling company has ever been brought up.
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Post by realist on May 21, 2019 7:30:04 GMT -5
Something tells me it wasn't nearly as rousing as Paul E's speech to the talent before the first ECW PPV... True, but Vince's checks are still clearing, so he doesn't have to be as cult-like as Paul Heyman did.
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